Donald Trump

kingstongraham

orraloon wrote:

Pardon my naivety, but the difference between an onboard piloted airborne weapon delivery system strike and a pilotless airborne etc etc strike is? Moral? Legal?

Don't understand the outrage re 'drones'.

None.

tangled_metal

Anyone watching America with a bowl of popcorn? Sorry but since our referendum result I've kind of felt less engaged in politics and more of an outsider looking in at the entertainment. I've kind of given up.

Anyone else in that frame of mind?

It's not a good position to be in because it's causing apathy in me. TBH i no longer care what the politicians do now. Whatever they decide I've just got to find a way to get by. We prosper or just survive despite politicians' decisions.

bianchimoon

Tangled Metal wrote:

Anyone watching America with a bowl of popcorn? Sorry but since our referendum result I've kind of felt less engaged in politics and more of an outsider looking in at the entertainment. I've kind of given up.

Anyone else in that frame of mind?

It's not a good position to be in because it's causing apathy in me. TBH i no longer care what the politicians do now. Whatever they decide I've just got to find a way to get by. We prosper or just survive despite politicians' decisions.

Sums it up really, though not that apathetic not to use my vote next time

bianchimoon

Orwells 1984 Now topping the amazon bestseller list...

pblakeney

Tangled Metal wrote:

Anyone watching America with a bowl of popcorn? Sorry but since our referendum result I've kind of felt less engaged in politics and more of an outsider looking in at the entertainment. I've kind of given up.

Anyone else in that frame of mind?

It's not a good position to be in because it's causing apathy in me. TBH i no longer care what the politicians do now. Whatever they decide I've just got to find a way to get by. We prosper or just survive despite politicians' decisions.

I just love the irony in getting upset at Trump's protectionism when we voted for Brexit to make Britain great again.

rolf_f

finchy wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Pardon my naivety, but the difference between an onboard piloted airborne weapon delivery system strike and a pilotless airborne etc etc strike is? Moral? Legal?

Don't understand the outrage re 'drones'.

I've read eyewitness reports from Pakistan and Afghanistan that because drones are so active (cheaper to fly and less risk to the US Air Force) and also slower, so take more time to pass over targets and non-targets alike, that they are causing real psychological distress to the people on the ground in villages which have previously been hit, especially for children.

Really? I thought they kept high enough to be out of sight and sound. I wouldn't have thought it necessary to make the drones more invasive in that respect; you'd just be making targets out of them.

mr_goo

Rick Chasey wrote:

We all know why Goo doesn't like Obama.

Couple of hours off line whilst driving back from Bridgewater and you leap in with the accusations and insults.
I've never stated I disliked him.
Explain yourself please.

And if you want a good example of Obama's drone usage Google al-Majala, Yemen.

tangled_metal

PBlakeney wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Anyone watching America with a bowl of popcorn? Sorry but since our referendum result I've kind of felt less engaged in politics and more of an outsider looking in at the entertainment. I've kind of given up.

Anyone else in that frame of mind?

It's not a good position to be in because it's causing apathy in me. TBH i no longer care what the politicians do now. Whatever they decide I've just got to find a way to get by. We prosper or just survive despite politicians' decisions.

I just love the irony in getting upset at Trump's protectionism when we voted for Brexit to make Britain great again.

My post expressed that this feeling started with our referendum so I'm getting "upset" about our situation as well. I'm being consistent here! It's there anything wrong with that?

Although i prefer not to think of it as being upset just that I can't see the good in how the vote has gone in the UK and USA.

Although in the USA I could never see a way to get a positive out of the candidates. No party came out with a positive candidate. No matter what your attitude over Obama, Clinton, Bush jr/sr and Reagan they had some redeeming features.

The UK referendum had a clear positive option depending on your views. Mine was for remain. However, let me make this clear i wholeheartedly support the triggering of A50 following the vote. I thought I'd get that in before i get an un reasonable accusation against me that I'm a "Remoaner". I accept fully the result no matter what my views on tree options were.

imposter2.0

Rolf F wrote:

finchy wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Pardon my naivety, but the difference between an onboard piloted airborne weapon delivery system strike and a pilotless airborne etc etc strike is? Moral? Legal?

Don't understand the outrage re 'drones'.

I've read eyewitness reports from Pakistan and Afghanistan that because drones are so active (cheaper to fly and less risk to the US Air Force) and also slower, so take more time to pass over targets and non-targets alike, that they are causing real psychological distress to the people on the ground in villages which have previously been hit, especially for children.

Really? I thought they kept high enough to be out of sight and sound. I wouldn't have thought it necessary to make the drones more invasive in that respect; you'd just be making targets out of them.

This ^^. They usually launch LGBs from a stand-off distance, so are unlikely to be buzzing targets at close range before attacking them..

TheBigBean

orraloon wrote:

Pardon my naivety, but the difference between an onboard piloted airborne weapon delivery system strike and a pilotless airborne etc etc strike is? Moral? Legal?

Don't understand the outrage re 'drones'.

It's what they are used for that is the issue.

Also, because of the lower risk to the operator, the political downside is much less (no dead pilots) which incentivises greater use.

Finally, picking which people to assassinate in a country not at war is legally questionable, and fairly shocking when they are citizens of the country doing the assassinating.

finchy

Imposter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

finchy wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Pardon my naivety, but the difference between an onboard piloted airborne weapon delivery system strike and a pilotless airborne etc etc strike is? Moral? Legal?

Don't understand the outrage re 'drones'.

I've read eyewitness reports from Pakistan and Afghanistan that because drones are so active (cheaper to fly and less risk to the US Air Force) and also slower, so take more time to pass over targets and non-targets alike, that they are causing real psychological distress to the people on the ground in villages which have previously been hit, especially for children.

Really? I thought they kept high enough to be out of sight and sound. I wouldn't have thought it necessary to make the drones more invasive in that respect; you'd just be making targets out of them.

This ^^. They usually launch LGBs from a stand-off distance, so are unlikely to be buzzing targets at close range before attacking them..

But they aren't just used for launching weapons, they're also used for intelligence gathering, and that can take far longer.

tangled_metal

Does anyone find it interesting that Trump's first drone strike is in Yemen and Obama's early drone strike was Yemen too?

It makes me think that drone strikes haven't done much good there. If they've not done much good then why keep on using them? Try something new.

Could it be that drones are more a political tool to show the president is being a strong leader by demonstrating his power globally? The idea of actually solving a regional conflict isn't the agenda just giving a public show of strength whilst not creating any more injured American veterans / coffins containing us servicemen?

We need a new idea and Trump's not coming up with it so far. Too soon to judge perhaps but I'd bet he's no better.

TheBigBean

Tangled Metal - are you suggesting that repeatedly, and often indiscriminately, dropping bombs is not a route to peace?

Pross

Imposter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

finchy wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Pardon my naivety, but the difference between an onboard piloted airborne weapon delivery system strike and a pilotless airborne etc etc strike is? Moral? Legal?

Don't understand the outrage re 'drones'.

I've read eyewitness reports from Pakistan and Afghanistan that because drones are so active (cheaper to fly and less risk to the US Air Force) and also slower, so take more time to pass over targets and non-targets alike, that they are causing real psychological distress to the people on the ground in villages which have previously been hit, especially for children.

Really? I thought they kept high enough to be out of sight and sound. I wouldn't have thought it necessary to make the drones more invasive in that respect; you'd just be making targets out of them.

This ^^. They usually launch LGBs from a stand-off distance, so are unlikely to be buzzing targets at close range before attacking them..

Have I got this right, the Yanks are launching lesbians, gays and bi-sexuals from drones now? I knew Trump was bad but didn't realise he was that bad!

Pross

Can we take a lesson from Trump and get May to announce we are building a world class rail system and then tell the French they are paying for it with threats of cancelling a meeting if they don't agree?

Stevo_666

Ben6899 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

We all know why Goo doesn't like Obama.

I don't. Why is that?

At your age, Stevo, you really should be able to read between the lines.

I'm not asking you, I'm asking Rick. Who seems to be trying to dodge the question.

bianchimoon

Pross wrote:

Can we take a lesson from Trump and get May to announce we are building a world class rail system and then tell the French they are paying for it with threats of cancelling a meeting if they don't agree?

briantrumpet

Tangled Metal wrote:

Anyone watching America with a bowl of popcorn? Sorry but since our referendum result I've kind of felt less engaged in politics and more of an outsider looking in at the entertainment. I've kind of given up.

Anyone else in that frame of mind?

It's not a good position to be in because it's causing apathy in me. TBH i no longer care what the politicians do now. Whatever they decide I've just got to find a way to get by. We prosper or just survive despite politicians' decisions.

That's part of the tactic of wannabe despots - wear everyone down, then slip in stuff that gives them the unchecked power they crave. They'll play the long game. By the time the electorate wakes up again it could be too late.

surrey_commuter

briantrumpet wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Anyone watching America with a bowl of popcorn? Sorry but since our referendum result I've kind of felt less engaged in politics and more of an outsider looking in at the entertainment. I've kind of given up.

Anyone else in that frame of mind?

It's not a good position to be in because it's causing apathy in me. TBH i no longer care what the politicians do now. Whatever they decide I've just got to find a way to get by. We prosper or just survive despite politicians' decisions.

That's part of the tactic of wannabe despots - wear everyone down, then slip in stuff that gives them the unchecked power they crave. They'll play the long game. By the time the electorate wakes up again it could be too late.

There is a part of me that definitely wants to settle down with the popcorn. Part amusement and partly to see how good are the checks and balances in the American constitution.

bendertherobot

https://global.handelsblatt.com/compani ... tim-690802

It's, allegedly, started. Seems like Tesla will now have to find a local supplier of said parts.

Ben6899

Stevo 666 wrote:

Ben6899 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

We all know why Goo doesn't like Obama.

I don't. Why is that?

At your age, Stevo, you really should be able to read between the lines.

I'm not asking you, I'm asking Rick. Who seems to be trying to dodge the question.

I know. But I think you know to what Rick is alluding. You're a smart lad.

bendertherobot

State Department just resigned en masse (senior management)

briantrumpet

Surrey Commuter wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Anyone watching America with a bowl of popcorn? Sorry but since our referendum result I've kind of felt less engaged in politics and more of an outsider looking in at the entertainment. I've kind of given up.

Anyone else in that frame of mind?

It's not a good position to be in because it's causing apathy in me. TBH i no longer care what the politicians do now. Whatever they decide I've just got to find a way to get by. We prosper or just survive despite politicians' decisions.

That's part of the tactic of wannabe despots - wear everyone down, then slip in stuff that gives them the unchecked power they crave. They'll play the long game. By the time the electorate wakes up again it could be too late.

There is a part of me that definitely wants to settle down with the popcorn. Part amusement and partly to see how good are the checks and balances in the American constitution.

Boy, do they need them now. There's a rather amusing video of Elizabeth Warren grilling DeVos at one of the confirmation hearings. But my worry is that the Republicans are using Trump as a smokescreen to queer the pitch in their favour (or in the favour of a particular view of Republicanism). He might be dispensable, but the damage will have been done by the time he goes.

rick_chasey

bendertherobot wrote:

State Department just resigned en masse (senior management)

That'll be the easiest Trump spin they ever do.

"see, I told you the government were in cahoots with the elites. Now that I'm here they can't enrich themselves, so they're off - good riddance'.

imposter2.0

Pross wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

finchy wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Pardon my naivety, but the difference between an onboard piloted airborne weapon delivery system strike and a pilotless airborne etc etc strike is? Moral? Legal?

Don't understand the outrage re 'drones'.

I've read eyewitness reports from Pakistan and Afghanistan that because drones are so active (cheaper to fly and less risk to the US Air Force) and also slower, so take more time to pass over targets and non-targets alike, that they are causing real psychological distress to the people on the ground in villages which have previously been hit, especially for children.

Really? I thought they kept high enough to be out of sight and sound. I wouldn't have thought it necessary to make the drones more invasive in that respect; you'd just be making targets out of them.

This ^^. They usually launch LGBs from a stand-off distance, so are unlikely to be buzzing targets at close range before attacking them..

Have I got this right, the Yanks are launching lesbians, gays and bi-sexuals from drones now? I knew Trump was bad but didn't realise he was that bad!

That will happen, I expect. (Meanwhile, LGB = laser guided bomb. Alternatively, PGM = precision guided munition)

mamba80

the guy has dementia.

what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.

bianchimoon

mamba80 wrote:

the guy has dementia.

what is May thinking throwing our lot in with a fcuking mad man.

beggars can't be choosers!

mr_goo

Oi! Rick Chasey! You out there? Or are you too busy cooking a Quinoa Salad ?

You have still not responded to why you think I do not like Obama. Others have asked the same question.

I am waiting. We are waiting.

orraloon

Mr Goo wrote:

Oi! Rick Chasey! You out there? Or are you too busy cooking a Quinoa Salad ?

You have still not responded to why you think I do not like Obama. Others have asked the same question.

I am waiting. We are waiting.

Is it coz he iz black?

tangled_metal

TheBigBean wrote:

Tangled Metal - are you suggesting that repeatedly, and often indiscriminately, dropping bombs is not a route to peace?

I'm suggesting that we are not investigating whether the current plan is showing signs of working and whether there is a more effective solution.

We, and it's led by USA, seem to have plan A and are sticking our fingers in our ears and going "nahnahnah" when anyone suggests a full 2 terms of one USA president and probably another term before that might indicate such a plan won't work.