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  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674

    swjohnsey said:

    So what's the issue exactly? That people voted illegally because they voted democrat?
    Yes, now you're getting it!

    So what's the issue exactly? That people voted illegally because they voted democrat?
    Yes, now you're getting it!
    Exactly. They are military and he is their commander in chief. It is disloyalty to not vote trump, treason even. They swear an oath to trump.
    No they don't. I took the oath several times over my twenty years and it was to protect and defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. From personal experience most folks in the military are Republican, most, not all.
    Whoosh.
    This kind of ignorance and complete sense of humour failure is, ironically, the best evidence that he's for real...
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    You can still get an 8% return on Biden winning.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    You can still get an 8% return on Biden winning.

    Who with?
  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170

    swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    I'm not expecting much of a change. Whether I accept the result or not is immaterial, I don't live in Georgia or have any standing.

    If there won't be much of a change, why is it interesting to watch and why is it happening at all?
    Because it is Georgia election law?
    A full hand recount of all the votes isn't mandated by Georgia election law.

    They have to do an audit of one race. This is usually hand spot checks, apparently. They have gone for the nuclear option, presumably because the Republican secretary of state - who's been defending the process - has been under a lot of pressure from the party.

    Trump can still request a recount after this - but it would be done by machine.
    I thought the state called the recount due to it being within X percent? I may well be wrong.

    The cases being thrown at the various states are a two fold attack, firstly to sow distrust in the voting systems. An secondly if they can drag out the process so state legislatures have the authority to appoint a slate of electors in the manner they see fit. As in, disregard the will of voters.
    Now while I cannot see that happening I guess it would be possible though I would assume there would be some public outcry and legal issues if so as its never happened from what I can tell in US history.
    If my understanding is correct it would go to Congress and if they cannot decide there then come January 20th Pelosi as leader of the house end up as interim president. Which would really irritate Trump.

    Mean time his going to keep churning from his two new favourite rightwing media sources who going from various fact checking sources appear to be a bit rubbish.
  • If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    swjohnsey said:

    If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.

    This is entirely wrong.
  • swjohnsey said:

    If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.

    This is entirely wrong.
    You should stick to something you know.

    "12th Amendment
    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.-- The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.

    This is entirely wrong.
    You should stick to something you know.

    "12th Amendment
    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.-- The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
    I stand corrected.

    What an awesome democratic system. Was it designed by a Republican by any chance? I am just wondering if there is any was a Democrat who has lost could possibly stay in power.

    Clue is in the name I guess.
  • swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.

    This is entirely wrong.
    You should stick to something you know.

    "12th Amendment
    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.-- The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
    I stand corrected.

    What an awesome democratic system. Was it designed by a Republican by any chance? I am just wondering if there is any was a Democrat who has lost could possibly stay in power.

    Clue is in the name I guess.
    Republican party didn't come into existance until around 1860. They were the ones who freed the slaves.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915

    You can still get an 8% return on Biden winning.

    Who with?
    Betfair
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.

    This is entirely wrong.
    You should stick to something you know.

    "12th Amendment
    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.-- The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
    I stand corrected.

    What an awesome democratic system. Was it designed by a Republican by any chance? I am just wondering if there is any was a Democrat who has lost could possibly stay in power.

    Clue is in the name I guess.
    Republican party didn't come into existance until around 1860. They were the ones who freed the slaves.
    And yet you still voted for them.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    You can still get an 8% return on Biden winning.

    Who with?
    Betfair
    Are they still in business?
  • dennisn
    dennisn Posts: 10,601
    Couldn't figure out where to post this. Thought you guys would get a kick out of it. When I was very young this was a weekly newspaper for kids. I'm 72 years old and this hit schools in May 1953. I don't recall it but I would have only been 5 or 6.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    You can still get an 8% return on Biden winning.

    Who with?
    Betfair
    Are they still in business?
    What odds are they offering on Liverpool having won the title last year?
  • I got the weekly reader when I was a kid. I'm 73.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915

    You can still get an 8% return on Biden winning.

    Who with?
    Betfair
    Are they still in business?
    It's an exchange, so yes. If you think it is an easy return then take it. It was shorter at one point.

    Just bear in mind the old adage - no one knows more than the market.
  • You can still get an 8% return on Biden winning.

    Who with?
    Betfair
    Are they still in business?
    It's an exchange, so yes. If you think it is an easy return then take it. It was shorter at one point.

    Just bear in mind the old adage - no one knows more than the market.
    That's not true for niche sports.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    step83 said:

    swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    I'm not expecting much of a change. Whether I accept the result or not is immaterial, I don't live in Georgia or have any standing.

    If there won't be much of a change, why is it interesting to watch and why is it happening at all?
    Because it is Georgia election law?
    A full hand recount of all the votes isn't mandated by Georgia election law.

    They have to do an audit of one race. This is usually hand spot checks, apparently. They have gone for the nuclear option, presumably because the Republican secretary of state - who's been defending the process - has been under a lot of pressure from the party.

    Trump can still request a recount after this - but it would be done by machine.
    I thought the state called the recount due to it being within X percent? I may well be wrong.
    You are - but it doesn't really matter. They chose to do a full hand recount of this race.

    https://georgia.gov/election-recount-rules-georgia

    "State law does not require an automatic recount of votes. However, a candidate can request a recount if the difference between the number of votes is not more than 1%. That request has to be made within two business days of the results being certified."

    This recount was initiated by the secretary of state, Trump will still be able to request a recount afterwards.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435

    swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.

    This is entirely wrong.
    You should stick to something you know.

    "12th Amendment
    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.-- The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
    I stand corrected.

    What an awesome democratic system. Was it designed by a Republican by any chance? I am just wondering if there is any was a Democrat who has lost could possibly stay in power.

    Clue is in the name I guess.
    It's still not going to happen.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.

    This is entirely wrong.
    You should stick to something you know.

    "12th Amendment
    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.-- The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
    I stand corrected.

    What an awesome democratic system. Was it designed by a Republican by any chance? I am just wondering if there is any was a Democrat who has lost could possibly stay in power.

    Clue is in the name I guess.
    It's still not going to happen.
    I dont know. Betfair arent sure and theyd know.

    I cant be bothered to go back and add apostrophes.
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    edited November 2020

    swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.

    This is entirely wrong.
    You should stick to something you know.

    "12th Amendment
    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.-- The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
    I stand corrected.

    What an awesome democratic system. Was it designed by a Republican by any chance? I am just wondering if there is any was a Democrat who has lost could possibly stay in power.

    Clue is in the name I guess.
    It's still not going to happen.
    I dont know. Betfair arent sure and theyd know.

    I cant be bothered to go back and add apostrophes.
    They're not sure by a very, very small amount (8%). Also presumably weighted by the amount of people betting on it.

    If Trump is still president 21st January it is tantamount to a coup.
  • swjohnsey said:

    swjohnsey said:

    If one candidate does not get at least 270 votes when the electoral college meets the election goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation gets one vote. In that scenario the election probably goes to Trump. The senate will select a vice president.

    This is entirely wrong.
    You should stick to something you know.

    "12th Amendment
    The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.-- The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
    I stand corrected.

    What an awesome democratic system. Was it designed by a Republican by any chance? I am just wondering if there is any was a Democrat who has lost could possibly stay in power.

    Clue is in the name I guess.
    It's still not going to happen.
    I dont know. Betfair arent sure and theyd know.

    I cant be bothered to go back and add apostrophes.
    Betfair are a marketplace, so it's other people who are offering those odds.

    8/100 sounds amazing odds.
  • I don't understand why the popular vote winner odds are 1.03 for Biden.

    The next president I can kind of get, as he could die, or something weird. But popular vote? He's won that.
  • I don't understand why the popular vote winner odds are 1.03 for Biden.

    The next president I can kind of get, as he could die, or something weird. But popular vote? He's won that.

    Not if he pops off before the vote is certified.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    I don't understand why the popular vote winner odds are 1.03 for Biden.

    The next president I can kind of get, as he could die, or something weird. But popular vote? He's won that.

    Not if he pops off before the vote is certified.
    I suppose £10k might be worth it. Pay for a special offer at Martin Wishart when it reopens.
  • I don't understand why the popular vote winner odds are 1.03 for Biden.

    The next president I can kind of get, as he could die, or something weird. But popular vote? He's won that.

    Not if he pops off before the vote is certified.
    He's still won the popular vote, even then. Dude won election somewhere even though he died of covid.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    I don't understand why the popular vote winner odds are 1.03 for Biden.

    The next president I can kind of get, as he could die, or something weird. But popular vote? He's won that.

    Not if he pops off before the vote is certified.
    He's still won the popular vote, even then. Dude won election somewhere even though he died of covid.
    Have you read the small print?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited November 2020

    I don't understand why the popular vote winner odds are 1.03 for Biden.

    The next president I can kind of get, as he could die, or something weird. But popular vote? He's won that.

    Not if he pops off before the vote is certified.
    He's still won the popular vote, even then. Dude won election somewhere even though he died of covid.
    Have you read the small print?
    I couldn't see anything about certification in there.

    I think 1000/1 for pence to be next president are pretty decent odds too.

    Edit, scratch that, just read the rules of that market. It's who will be elected president in the 2020 election.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    I don't understand why the popular vote winner odds are 1.03 for Biden.

    The next president I can kind of get, as he could die, or something weird. But popular vote? He's won that.

    Not if he pops off before the vote is certified.
    He's still won the popular vote, even then. Dude won election somewhere even though he died of covid.
    Have you read the small print?
    I couldn't see anything about certification in there.

    I think 1000/1 for pence to be next president are pretty decent odds too.

    Edit, scratch that, just read the rules of that market. It's who will be elected president in the 2020 election.
    What are the odds on Trump?