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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    kingstongraham said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    john80 said:

    What i find interesting is that this really has been a case of employing an absolute moron that is so self interested it is like looking through a shop window and yet the US has carried on pretty much as normal. People went to work, there was the odd race riot and a load of school shootings. Sure there has been a pandemic but only really the response is related to Trump. Maybe it does not matter who you employ at the top these days.

    There is a stronger argument to elect a lazy censored (yes worse than Boris) or have no Govt at all. If you Google it then both Trinidad and Belgium had no Govt’s for ages and everything was fine.
    My hot take is that John Major was an excellent PM because he had a few principles (not too many, it turns out), but had no majority so couldn't really do anything. The current more actively anti-government style leaders just break things without knowing how to put something back together.
    Erm, the f*cker tried to ban dance music.

    No Prime Minister who tries to do that is "excellent".
    Would have got my vote, 'dance' music destroyed the 90s.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,554
    You're going to struggle if you discount anyone who makes some duff decisions.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Coming in between Thatcher, Blair and Cameron, I think he was the best of the bunch as regards not getting carried away with big ideas that then inevitably go bad.

    Cameron was not too bad until he got a majority, which also proves my point.


    (it feels safe to ignore Brown)
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    kingstongraham said:

    Coming in between Thatcher, Blair and Cameron, I think he was the best of the bunch as regards not getting carried away with big ideas that then inevitably go bad.

    Cameron was not too bad until he got a majority, which also proves my point.


    (it feels safe to ignore Brown)

    *sprays coffee all over keyboard*.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    rick_chasey said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Coming in between Thatcher, Blair and Cameron, I think he was the best of the bunch as regards not getting carried away with big ideas that then inevitably go bad.

    Cameron was not too bad until he got a majority, which also proves my point.


    (it feels safe to ignore Brown)

    *sprays coffee all over keyboard*.
    Blair but without getting us embroiled in never ending wars would be preferable, but that's the thing with big ideas that get out of hand.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Cameron only got a majority by promising a referendum, which he promptly fucked up completely. How is his legacy looking?

    John Major was like a man up to his neck in shut, saying "don't make waves" very quietly. Which to his credit meant he couldn't do much damage.

    Brown was an ar£ehole but was at least numerate and he had the decency not to win any elections.

    Blair seemed okay, until he found God. He did at least gift us Malcolm Tucker.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    First.Aspect said:

    Cameron only got a majority by promising a referendum, which he promptly censored up completely. How is his legacy looking?

    John Major was like a man up to his neck in shut, saying "don't make waves" very quietly. Which to his credit meant he couldn't do much damage.

    Brown was an ar£ehole but was at least numerate and he had the decency not to win any elections.

    Blair seemed okay, until he found God. He did at least gift us Malcolm Tucker.

    My view exactly.

    My point on Cameron is that while he couldn't fuck up absolutely everything on his own because of the coalition, he didn't do any more damage than you'd expect a Tory government to do while coming out of a recession. Then when he got a majority, he managed to commit to something that he regarded as a total disaster. Which is kind of impressive.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    kingstongraham said:

    rick_chasey said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Coming in between Thatcher, Blair and Cameron, I think he was the best of the bunch as regards not getting carried away with big ideas that then inevitably go bad.

    Cameron was not too bad until he got a majority, which also proves my point.


    (it feels safe to ignore Brown)

    *sprays coffee all over keyboard*.
    Blair but without getting us embroiled in never ending wars would be preferable, but that's the thing with big ideas that get out of hand.
    This going to take this thread way off topic, but, suffice to say, Cameron's record on wars isn't that hot either.
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  • john80
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    rick_chasey said:

    orraloon said:

    How was the Grey Man going to ban dance music then? Don't remember that. Sounds a bit King Cnut-like.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Justice_and_Public_Order_Act_1994#Key_measures

    Banned gatherings of 20 people or more where

    63(1)(b) "music" includes sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats.
    I did not have you down as a guy that would support a group of people trespassing on others land to have a mass party with loud music. Drop your address down to the forum and we can all come round and test how happy you are with our rave in your front garden and 2 in the morning. Seems eminently sensible that you should have to own the land you are having a rave on.
  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170
    Back on topic, I see trump is claiming his border wall stopped the spread of Covid in Arizona, just as they announce the largest spike in cases. Well played sir, well played.
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  • pblakeney
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    Mexico are happy though. 😉
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Next thing you know he will be claiming to have been able to drive at 3, bowled a perfect game, written 1500 books and have no need to deficate. Pretty sure he has already claimed the 5 hole in 1 in a round of golf.
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,815
    First.Aspect said:

    Next thing you know he will be claiming to have been able to drive at 3, bowled a perfect game, written 1500 books and have no need to deficate. Pretty sure he has already claimed the 5 hole in 1 in a round of golf.

    That's nothing though. North Korea's dear leader has a course record over there of 18 shots, a hole in one on every hole.
  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170
    mrb123 said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Next thing you know he will be claiming to have been able to drive at 3, bowled a perfect game, written 1500 books and have no need to deficate. Pretty sure he has already claimed the 5 hole in 1 in a round of golf.

    That's nothing though. North Korea's dear leader has a course record over there of 18 shots, a hole in one on every hole.
    Didn't he compose a whole concerto on the same day as well?
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    A bit scary if you read any comments below articles about Trump in The Telegraph: it's a high ratio of people rabidly in favour of Trump, all ignoring the way his administration is trampling all over the independence of the DOJ and the Constitution's separation of powers. 'Owning the libs' is the be-all and end-all for them.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    briantrumpet said:

    A bit scary if you read any comments below articles about Trump in The Telegraph: it's a high ratio of people rabidly in favour of Trump, all ignoring the way his administration is trampling all over the independence of the DOJ and the Constitution's separation of powers. 'Owning the libs' is the be-all and end-all for them.

    Major newspapers are a hotbed of professional sovereign trolls (usually russian), so I would not take any of them at face value.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152


    Republican on a House committee does not want to hear from William Barr's predecessor as deputy AG (under Bush senior).

    It's almost like they want to prove his point.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    It's all a modern take on the storming of the Reichstag isn't it?
    I guess there are enough people in the pay of Pompeii who do not care what they do to the US of A, it's constitution, it's place on the world stage or it's democratic integrity. So long as Der Trumpfen is in power, they stand to make millions.
    Their supporters are naive pawns who are easily suckered in the the bullshit.
    DT is the vessel which allows them to open doors and avenues to power and money and there are willing to do anything to discredit opposition.

    I am just hoping that the murder of George Floyd will be the incident that tips the scales come election.
    Hopefully, the opposition collective will come to the conclusion that although the Democratic candidates are possibly not what really moves them but that anyone is better than Trump.
    Abstaining will not be in their interest.

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  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170
    Think the only real differences are the Russians are not doing the storming and theres no military intervention (yet)

    I would hope too the murder of George Floyd and the response by Trump along with his handling of the Corona Virus pandemic go some way to sway public opinion so they vote not so much for the party but for what is better for the US as a whole. Trump has proven many times he is solely in it for himself and his "friends".

    Heres a fun one, an exert from a speech made in 1932 by a former German WW1 soldier, the rhetoric is rather familiar

    "The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening with her might and our republic is in danger. Yes danger from within and from without. We need law and order. Yes, without law and order our nation cannot survive. Elect us and we will restore law and order. We shall be law and order be respected among the nations of the World. Without law and order our republic shall fail."


    The one plus side is Biden is tracking very well so far, quite far ahead of Trump, seems people are seeing him as more balanced voice (not overly hard) than Trump, just need to hope it continues.
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  • surrey_commuter
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    rick_chasey said:

    briantrumpet said:

    A bit scary if you read any comments below articles about Trump in The Telegraph: it's a high ratio of people rabidly in favour of Trump, all ignoring the way his administration is trampling all over the independence of the DOJ and the Constitution's separation of powers. 'Owning the libs' is the be-all and end-all for them.

    Major newspapers are a hotbed of professional sovereign trolls (usually russian), so I would not take any of them at face value.
    I usually look at the Times App by 07:00 and on Boris/Brexit related articles it is not uncommon to have 1,500 comments. Other articles could be as low as zero with most under 50 and the odd one hitting three figures.

    There is definitely a repetition of certain phrases and arguments but it could equally be instigated by the Tories as the Russians.
  • bompington
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    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    briantrumpet said:

    A bit scary if you read any comments below articles about Trump in The Telegraph: it's a high ratio of people rabidly in favour of Trump, all ignoring the way his administration is trampling all over the independence of the DOJ and the Constitution's separation of powers. 'Owning the libs' is the be-all and end-all for them.

    Major newspapers are a hotbed of professional sovereign trolls (usually russian), so I would not take any of them at face value.
    I usually look at the Times App by 07:00 and on Boris/Brexit related articles it is not uncommon to have 1,500 comments. Other articles could be as low as zero with most under 50 and the odd one hitting three figures.

    There is definitely a repetition of certain phrases and arguments but it could equally be instigated by the Tories as the Russians.
    The sad thing is that (this forum qv) it can be hard to distinguish a pathetically blatant Russian troll from a genuine poster.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    bompington said:


    The sad thing is that (this forum qv) it can be hard to distinguish a pathetically blatant Russian troll from a genuine poster.

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    bompington said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    briantrumpet said:

    A bit scary if you read any comments below articles about Trump in The Telegraph: it's a high ratio of people rabidly in favour of Trump, all ignoring the way his administration is trampling all over the independence of the DOJ and the Constitution's separation of powers. 'Owning the libs' is the be-all and end-all for them.

    Major newspapers are a hotbed of professional sovereign trolls (usually russian), so I would not take any of them at face value.
    I usually look at the Times App by 07:00 and on Boris/Brexit related articles it is not uncommon to have 1,500 comments. Other articles could be as low as zero with most under 50 and the odd one hitting three figures.

    There is definitely a repetition of certain phrases and arguments but it could equally be instigated by the Tories as the Russians.
    The sad thing is that (this forum qv) it can be hard to distinguish a pathetically blatant Russian troll from a genuine poster.
    That's 'cos they're pros at it, literally.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    Bolton has blabbed.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    Good, glad to get some clarity.

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  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170
    briantrumpet said:

    Good, glad to get some clarity.

    Glad thats cleared up then
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Bizarre that he hired Bolton in the first place if he didn't want to drop bombs everywhere.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    The upside is that it's one less warmongerer in the Oval office.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661


    Remarkable
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    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661


    Waaaaaaaah
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