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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    ballysmate said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ballysmate said:

    pblakeney said:

    Before you apportion blame you have to get to the root cause.
    How far back should we go?

    632 AD?
    Now imagine the shitstorm of condemnation on here if the US had been found to have shot the plane down. But those nice Iranians seem to get a free pass for some reason
    You can feel their disappointment at not being able to blame the US.
    I bet there is more than one cat getting a kicking in frustration.
    They gave blaming the usa a good go. Seemingly unable to grasp a plane leaving a airport in a straight line as an unlikely incoming US cruise missiles. Maybe it was not deliberate the missing of all targets on those bases.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    john80 said:

    ballysmate said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ballysmate said:

    pblakeney said:

    Before you apportion blame you have to get to the root cause.
    How far back should we go?

    632 AD?
    Now imagine the shitstorm of condemnation on here if the US had been found to have shot the plane down. But those nice Iranians seem to get a free pass for some reason
    You can feel their disappointment at not being able to blame the US.
    I bet there is more than one cat getting a kicking in frustration.
    They gave blaming the usa a good go. Seemingly unable to grasp a plane leaving a airport in a straight line as an unlikely incoming US cruise missiles. Maybe it was not deliberate the missing of all targets on those bases.
    I knew as soon as I saw he facts that it could not have been the US. The time taken for any US launched missile (i.e. originating from outside Iran) to reach the place where the plane was hit exceeded by some margin the time the plane was airborne. So the US would have had to launch before the plane even took off. Those suggesting it was a US action were more hopeful than realistic.

    Let's hope it does the Iranian regime some real domestic damage.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    So why single out the Iranian 'regime'?

    What good would damage to the Iranian people do exactly? Would that not only re-enforce their contempt for the sanction wielding West but re-enforce their desire to develop a nuclear capability as well?

    We have a nutter in the Whitehouse who doesn't want other nutters to have the bomb (but India can).
    ...and then there's the Chinese locking up millions of non-Mandarin speaking people to brainwash them... and they couldn't give a f*ck about climate change, the democratic rights of HK and Taiwan...
    ...and what about Uncle Kim?
    Oh, and our mate Vlad...

    I suppose therein lies endless opportunities for;political gain to be had for a politician trying to get elected for a second time.
    But wait a minute...

    Except no one dare press Vlad's button and no one dare approach the Chinese [especially considering Trump dismisses climate change and quickly realised that a trade war with China was a bad idea}...
    The beautiful Indians are our friends surrounded by our enemies...
    Momentum was lost with the talks with North Korea...

    Do you see where I am going here?
    I have no idea why he doesn't have a pop at the Democratic Republic of Congo. At least there would be little or no consequence.
    I'm sure those boys in the Pentagon could work out how to sell the idea that they are the anti-christ and need to be reigned in.

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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    pinno said:

    So why single out the Iranian 'regime'?

    What good would damage to the Iranian people do exactly? Would that not only re-enforce their contempt for the sanction wielding West but re-enforce their desire to develop a nuclear capability as well?

    We have a nutter in the Whitehouse who doesn't want other nutters to have the bomb (but India can).
    ...and then there's the Chinese locking up millions of non-Mandarin speaking people to brainwash them... and they couldn't give a f*ck about climate change, the democratic rights of HK and Taiwan...
    ...and what about Uncle Kim?
    Oh, and our mate Vlad...

    I suppose therein lies endless opportunities for;political gain to be had for a politician trying to get elected for a second time.
    But wait a minute...

    Except no one dare press Vlad's button and no one dare approach the Chinese [especially considering Trump dismisses climate change and quickly realised that a trade war with China was a bad idea}...
    The beautiful Indians are our friends surrounded by our enemies...
    Momentum was lost with the talks with North Korea...

    Do you see where I am going here?
    I have no idea why he doesn't have a pop at the Democratic Republic of Congo. At least there would be little or no consequence.
    I'm sure those boys in the Pentagon could work out how to sell the idea that they are the anti-christ and need to be reigned in.

    Have you got a cat?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    pinno said:

    So why single out the Iranian 'regime'?

    What good would damage to the Iranian people do exactly? Would that not only re-enforce their contempt for the sanction wielding West but re-enforce their desire to develop a nuclear capability as well?


    You're getting confused between damaging the Iranian regime (which is what I said) and damaging the Iranian people. If you read the news there is a backlash against the regime now that the population knows who downed that airliner.

    You never know, if they get angry enough they might just overthrow those nutjob ayatollahs. Who aren't exactly angels when it comes to foreign policy.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    Stevo_666 said:


    You never know, if they get angry enough they might just overthrow those nutjob ayatollahs. Who aren't exactly angels when it comes to foreign policy.

    Of the 3 Iranians I have met (probably termed as 'moderate'), they have been amongst the nicest people I have met.
    Given the above (and admittedly I know little about Iran), it seems to me that the Ayatollahs are the ruling 'tribe' and that democracy has little place, Therefore, would there be wholesale regime change into a more democratic society?
    I get the feeling that the Ayatollahs rule and that's that.

    Given the recent upheaval amongst Middle eastern/Persian/Arabic speaking countries (Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen etc) when ever there has been a move to change the status quo, what would be the effect of yet another change in power?
    Would it create another void which then plays out with an international bid for allies, oil and territory?

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    pinno said:


    I get the feeling that the Ayatollahs rule and that's that.

    Iran is a democracy and the people choose their president. The president does not have control over everything, but he has control over a lot, and there is a constant battle going on between the reformists and the conservatives.

    It is also nothing like the middle-eastern countries and considerably more cosmopolitan.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    More Ukraine based weirdness coming out.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/parnas-associate-tracked-ousted-ambassadors-movements-in-kyiv-docs

    "Reached for comment on the text messages by The Daily Beast on Tuesday night, Hyde texted, “Bull Schiff is a giant b*tch.” "
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Meanwhile, Trump is addressing the big issue of dishwashers that are restricted by political correctness so much that you have to put your dishes through 10 times because air comes out instead of water.



    The crowd cheers even though they all know he's talking bollocks.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    kingstongraham said:

    Meanwhile, Trump is addressing the big issue of dishwashers that are restricted by political correctness so much that you have to put your dishes through 10 times because air comes out instead of water.



    The crowd cheers even though they all know he's talking bollocks.
    Like a Labour Party conference?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited January 2020
    ballysmate said:


    Like a Labour Party conference?

    If Corbyn was talking about how when you turn a tap on, nothing comes out, and you have to flush the toilet 15 times to get rid of it, I think we know who a proportion of the Labour party would blame.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    But Bally, what about the emails? The emails!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    orraloon said:

    But Bally, what about the emails? The emails!



    He still plays the old hits.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    orraloon said:

    But Bally, what about the emails? The emails!

    You mean Hilary?
    Perhaps the 30,000 redacted emails were from Nigerian princes looking for a bank account to deposit their cash or they could have been more interesting.

    https://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

    That is even if we are to believe that the Russkies had the nous to fiddle the election but were unable to hack an unsecured email account belonging to HC.

    Her one and only redeeming feature was that she wasn't Trump.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    Is there a faint chance Der Trumpfen will collapse under questioning and even start to sway the allegiance of his own Republicans?
    Or some witness emerges that he hadn't expected...
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  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170
    pinno said:

    Is there a faint chance Der Trumpfen will collapse under questioning and even start to sway the allegiance of his own Republicans?
    Or some witness emerges that he hadn't expected...

    With the stuff release thus far from Parnas it does liven things up, if Trump throws Giuliani under the bus in an effort to distance himself from the situation it would be amusing to see what dirt Giuliani alleges to have on him, as he alluded to the fact previously.

    Witness wise it depends on what McConnell decides, there is quite a body of evidence but if he wants to call a witness it would have to go to the panel as to weather they will be called.

    It would be quite spectacular to see him either collapse or as he has many times in the past deny things that are public knowledge.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    It's quite brazen to say "My people will not testify in the House, only in the Senate trial" and then have the Senate leadership say "We won't call any witnesses because the House had the opportunity to call everyone they wanted to."
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited January 2020
    Trump says that they need to protect genius Americans who came up with inventions like the wheel.
  • Longshot
    Longshot Posts: 940
    kingstongraham said:

    Trump says that they need to protect genius Americans who came up with inventions like the wheel.

    You just can't make it up.

    Unlike him.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.
  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170
    kingstongraham said:

    It's quite brazen to say "My people will not testify in the House, only in the Senate trial" and then have the Senate leadership say "We won't call any witnesses because the House had the opportunity to call everyone they wanted to."

    Trump also eluded to the fact they are withholding information but will not part with it because the Whitehouse will not cooperate

    "Well things are going very well, we have all the information, and they have none of it"

    He will survive the Impeachment but I think public opinion is slowly swaying as more an more of this comes out.
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  • bompington
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    step83 said:

    He will survive the Impeachment but I think public opinion is slowly swaying as more an more of this comes out.

    The calculations here are all political, not legal - there's almost no doubt that he will indeed survive the impeachment.
    The only question is whether enough people see enough of the truth about Trump to turn against him. Worryingly, there's a lot of evidence that that won't happen; and the democrats are such a useless shower that there has to be a large chance that he could win again.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    New pinned tweet from the president:



    And this is just a base level of insanity that noone is bothered about.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    rick_chasey said:



    At the moment it seems that Republican Senators are more scared of Trump than the ballot box.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,317
    edited January 2020
    Given the above poll, will there be a slow ebb of Republican senators 'cross the floor'?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    pinno said:

    Given the above poll, will there be a slow ebb of Republican senators 'cross the floor'?

    No.

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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    edited January 2020
    Seems to me that optimism is alive and well on here. Over the last year Trump has faced one thing or another and every time people on here say there's a groundswing developing against him, his support is dropping or his days are numbered.

    Well I know his days are numbered because there's an election this year right? But don't you think he'll just get another term after that? All this impeachment and other crises he's supposedly having are doing diddly squat?

    Sorry to start the week with pessimism.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    'Fiddly squat'? Is that to with those Russian hookers in that Moscow hotel?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I think if there's gonna be any jumping ship on the republican side it will be fairly sudden and fairly dramatic.

    I don't think it' a stretch to imagine that most of these guys are privately not very happy with Trump but also recognise that he is unusually popular with core republican voters and they will inevitably owe their senatorship to him.

    But it is so easy to convince yourself that, although you may be supporting someone fundamentally unsound, you can impact change in a way for the better (according to you) much more easily if you are in power than out of it.
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  • step83
    step83 Posts: 4,170
    orraloon said:

    'Fiddly squat'? Is that to with those Russian hookers in that Moscow hotel?

    Thats the name of the company said hookers are from?

    Bolton's thrown an interesting spanner in the works, his new book seems to say Trump said to with hold aid. But Trump and the Republicans don't want him to testify citing national security as a reason.
    The Democrats for obvious reasons want his testimony so its now an awkward stalemate on that front.
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