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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    The joint military exercises are quite provocative given where they do them. It would be bit like Russia practising around the Statue of Liberty.

    Also, the hotel thing is not as absurd as it sounds. There used to be a hotel near the border (on the north side) which South Koreans could visit. It provided the north with an export. Unfortunately, a tourist from the south went exploring at 4am, and even more unfortunately a trigger happy soldier from the north shot her.

    I would imagine that the north sees hotels as a good way to generate cash.
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Fenix wrote:
    How much do these wargames actually cost ?

    If you have a Navy and Air Force - what's the point unless you practice with them ? If your country is too poor to afford the fuel for your very big planes, then how skilled are your pilots going to be ? What do they do instead ? Sit around reading flying magazines and watching Top Gun for the 1000th time ?

    Why waste time and money on games when you can just go out and blast some other country instead (preferably one that has a significantly weaker military) ? Do your training in Iran instead (actually, they might be a bit too well armed - Yemen would probably be better)

    nah - they're all nutters in Yemen: normal rules don't apply and thats when it gets all messy....

    The same might be said of the White House.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,113
    On the plus side, it's better than them threatening to annihilate each other's country via Twitter.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Trump gave away security info he shouldn't have in that press conference, such as saying "the reason we know about the such and such is the heat sensors we used and also that it was the country and facilities that the US know least about. Bet the CIA were chuffed to bits with him.
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • FishFish
    FishFish Posts: 2,152
    Well what other sensors would you have; x-ray, ultra violet, ambient light, infra red- (that's thermal), accoustic, olfactory; amplified, passive; whatever TF.

    And really do you think he gives a toss about the CIA?
    ...take your pickelf on your holibobs.... :D

    jeez :roll:
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    FishFish wrote:
    Well what other sensors would you have; x-ray, ultra violet, ambient light, infra red- (that's thermal), accoustic, olfactory; amplified, passive; whatever TF.

    And really do you think he gives a toss about the CIA?

    Dunno but my troll alert's going mental at the mo :D:D
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    The forum is bugged. Watch what you say now.
  • FishFish
    FishFish Posts: 2,152
    bianchimoon wrote:
    FishFish wrote:
    Well what other sensors would you have; x-ray, ultra violet, ambient light, infra red- (that's thermal), accoustic, olfactory; amplified, passive; whatever TF.

    And really do you think he gives a toss about the CIA?

    Dunno but my troll alert's going mental at the mo :D:D


    Glad you have calmed down you seemed to have been getting a bit excited. Now go back to doing your revision for your GCSE or doing yourself or whatever teenagers do in the evening.
    ...take your pickelf on your holibobs.... :D

    jeez :roll:
  • FishFish
    FishFish Posts: 2,152
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Pross wrote:

    nah - they're all nutters in Yemen: normal rules don't apply and thats when it gets all messy....


    Sadly I have to agree with you and remind people that the last time British Forces were there it was in Aden. And they lost.
    And then there was the Dhofar War and I think that is still going on.
    ...take your pickelf on your holibobs.... :D

    jeez :roll:
  • Dawnrider
    Dawnrider Posts: 271
    This business with Kim Jon Yung just seems too good to be true. Its almost as if they've both been abducted by aliens and come back different people!
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  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,334
    more like they were abducted by hostile aliens, who immediately determined that they were already as damaging to humanity as possible, and threw them back untouched
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  • FishFish
    FishFish Posts: 2,152
    Statistically he does well when dealing with people called Kim.
    ...take your pickelf on your holibobs.... :D

    jeez :roll:
  • ayjaycee
    ayjaycee Posts: 1,277
    Tom Walker (aka Jonathan Pie) has a good take on the Trump / Kim meeting. He starts on it about 1 minute in but the beginning is also worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82nYa93Ws-E

    I wonder how long it will take Fishy to come along and try to polish this particular turd?

    PS. The 'Dhofar War' is NOT still going on and hasn't been for a long time.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,302
    Dawnrider wrote:
    This business with Kim Jon Yung just seems too good to be true. Its almost as if they've both been abducted by aliens and come back different people!
    I give this cordiality a week. And that's being generous. PS - Weren't N&S Korea negotiating peace quite swimmingly before the Trumpster decided to get back in on the action?
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  • FishFish
    FishFish Posts: 2,152
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Dawnrider wrote:
    This business with Kim Jon Yung just seems too good to be true. Its almost as if they've both been abducted by aliens and come back different people!
    I give this cordiality a week. And that's being generous. PS - Weren't N&S Korea negotiating peace quite swimmingly before the Trumpster decided to get back in on the action?


    So if the cordiality is transient then what actually do you want out of this? This is a moment in history ant a time of re-election for a people who are increasingly populist. None of this will have any influence on any war and the anxiety that S Korea has over re-unification will disappear with the passing of the older generations.

    Do you want them not to negotiate for peace, do you want them to unilaterally strike against the nuclear facilities? Or what - seems like you just want the opposite of what they do.

    Slightly differently I want my food today, my job tomorrow and my families future. If you understand entropy then this may hint at where you should direct your energies.

    I really don't give a toss about all of this - but I enjoy the game of watching the small people getting enraged.
    ...take your pickelf on your holibobs.... :D

    jeez :roll:
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,302
    My point is that the peace process is well under way.
    The Trumpster just wants some of the limelight. Morning after remorse will follow. Another day, another tweet.

    "Donald Trump agreed to lifting sanctions". Making me look WEAK.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Regan & the bushes got the same kind of deal.

    Lasts for as long as NK fancy it, which is usually half a year.

    Trump is giving a platform to the world’s remaining Stalinist leader, and is calling a guy who has over a million in gulags a good bloke.

    Let’s not forget this is the same person who executed a general who was opposed to him by anti-aircraft gun.

    He’s subjected his population to enormous amounts of suffering, poverty and violence.

    But Trump calls him a good bloke not even a week after he had a hissy fit about the Canadian prime minister.

    Presumably Trump feels a connection for someone who has inherited a lot from a young age.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the beginning of America’s 1989.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,526
    Amongst all of yesterday's weirdness and the cobbled together stock footage, most people missed that he now says that the G7 meeting was all pretty friendly and constructive.
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  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regan & the bushes got the same kind of deal.

    Lasts for as long as NK fancy it, which is usually half a year.

    Trump is giving a platform to the world’s remaining Stalinist leader, and is calling a guy who has over a million in gulags a good bloke.

    Let’s not forget this is the same person who executed a general who was opposed to him by anti-aircraft gun.

    He’s subjected his population to enormous amounts of suffering, poverty and violence.

    But Trump calls him a good bloke not even a week after he had a hissy fit about the Canadian prime minister.

    Presumably Trump feels a connection for someone who has inherited a lot from a young age.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the beginning of America’s 1989.
    1989?
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regan & the bushes got the same kind of deal.

    Lasts for as long as NK fancy it, which is usually half a year.

    Trump is giving a platform to the world’s remaining Stalinist leader, and is calling a guy who has over a million in gulags a good bloke.

    Let’s not forget this is the same person who executed a general who was opposed to him by anti-aircraft gun.

    He’s subjected his population to enormous amounts of suffering, poverty and violence.

    But Trump calls him a good bloke not even a week after he had a hissy fit about the Canadian prime minister.

    Presumably Trump feels a connection for someone who has inherited a lot from a young age.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the beginning of America’s 1989.
    1989?


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  • PhilipPirrip
    PhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regan & the bushes got the same kind of deal.

    Lasts for as long as NK fancy it, which is usually half a year.

    Trump is giving a platform to the world’s remaining Stalinist leader, and is calling a guy who has over a million in gulags a good bloke.

    Let’s not forget this is the same person who executed a general who was opposed to him by anti-aircraft gun.

    He’s subjected his population to enormous amounts of suffering, poverty and violence.

    But Trump calls him a good bloke not even a week after he had a hissy fit about the Canadian prime minister.

    Presumably Trump feels a connection for someone who has inherited a lot from a young age.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the beginning of America’s 1989.
    1989?
    I took it to mean that whilst there was a tremendous global groundswell that led to the end of communism in several countries it also led to the Tianenman Square massacre and China cracking down hard on any dissent from its people.

    Kim Jong Un would not be averse to killing his people should they get a whiff of western freedoms which could threaten his supreme status.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Beginning of the dissolution of the soviet union.
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  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regan & the bushes got the same kind of deal.

    Lasts for as long as NK fancy it, which is usually half a year.

    Trump is giving a platform to the world’s remaining Stalinist leader, and is calling a guy who has over a million in gulags a good bloke.

    Let’s not forget this is the same person who executed a general who was opposed to him by anti-aircraft gun.

    He’s subjected his population to enormous amounts of suffering, poverty and violence.

    But Trump calls him a good bloke not even a week after he had a hissy fit about the Canadian prime minister.

    Presumably Trump feels a connection for someone who has inherited a lot from a young age.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the beginning of America’s 1989.
    1989?

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  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Trump just wants people to vote for him.

    The TV reality show goes on. Kim'll know what it's about and can play it however he wants on North Korean state media just as Fox plays it how Trump likes it. Two dictators!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Regan & the bushes got the same kind of deal.

    Lasts for as long as NK fancy it, which is usually half a year.

    Clinton agreed a deal which was not supported by Republicans. Bush then labelled North Korea part of the axis of evil and broke the already broken US side. North Korea probably didn't fulfil its side either, but the whole thing never really got started due to US politics.
    Rick Chasey wrote:

    Trump is giving a platform to the world’s remaining Stalinist leader, and is calling a guy who has over a million in gulags a good bloke.

    I think it is estimated to be 120,000. That doesn't change your point, but is a materially different number. The US has hardly got an unquestionable human rights record, so perhaps it is glass houses and all that.
    Rick Chasey wrote:

    Let’s not forget this is the same person who executed a general who was opposed to him by anti-aircraft gun.

    His uncle? His uncle is thought to have been trying to replace him with his brother. His uncle previously held lots of power and was one of the people in contention to take over on the death of Kim Jong Il. Of course, it would be nice if was tried in an independent court for treason.

    The anti-aircraft rumour is just that. A rumour started by "unnamed South Korean sources". Note that it is in the interests of South Korea to portray him as crazy, and the western media lap it up. Who knows, maybe he did do it, but it is a long way from a fact.

    Note too, that a lot of other such similar stories are subsequently found to be false.
    Rick Chasey wrote:

    He’s subjected his population to enormous amounts of suffering, poverty and violence.

    It is certainly true that his father and grandfather have, but perhaps, now that he has assumed control, he is going to go down a different path.

    For both sides, they have now have an opportunity. South Korea has gone back to sunshine policies and the north is reacting warmly. It is a positive time which will hopefully lead to something.
    Rick Chasey wrote:

    But Trump calls him a good bloke not even a week after he had a hissy fit about the Canadian prime minister.

    .

    Trump didn't. He went out of his way to say that he wasn't calling him nice. He was saying that he had done well for a young man. Although I haven't listened to the whole interview because it's Trump.

    Rick Chasey wrote:

    Presumably Trump feels a connection for someone who has inherited a lot from a young age.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the beginning of America’s 1989.

    Trump is a buffoon.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Err, just because Trump is a buffoon doesn't justify the frankly ridiculous US/NK moral equivalence you're suggesting.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Sorry BB - over a million have been through the system with around 400,000 dying in them.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    bompington wrote:
    Err, just because Trump is a buffoon doesn't justify the frankly ridiculous US/NK moral equivalence you're suggesting.

    I'm making no moral equivalence. Just correcting Rick's commentary.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,113
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:

    Trump is giving a platform to the world’s remaining Stalinist leader, and is calling a guy who has over a million in gulags a good bloke.

    I think it is estimated to be 120,000. That doesn't change your point, but is a materially different number. The US has hardly got an unquestionable human rights record, so perhaps it is glass houses and all that.

    Excuse me?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Sorry BB - over a million have been through the system with around 400,000 dying in them.

    Yes, not great.

    I just think it is important to be vaguely accurate when making political points.

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