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shirley_basso

cooldad wrote:

It's actually semi automatic, you need to pull the trigger for each shot.

But USAians love to deflect gun control arguments into semantic arguments over gun details.

Moontrane wrote:

Why do you hate guns? Drivers kill many more in your country than those using guns. Hate cars - at all?

Guns are designed for one reason only - kill things. Cars etc may be dangerous but are designed as transport. And there have been many things legislated to make them safer, from pedestrian safety, to driver safety, and drink/cellphone driving laws etc.

Why is it different to try and make guns safer?

This is actually wrong. Guns and weapons of any kind were designed for the sole purpose of killing human beings and have been subsequently modified to kill animals or 'things'.

cooldad

TheBigBean wrote:

Not sure what all the nakedness with guns is about nor the kids with guns photos, but guns on wall whilst changing a nappy and guns on back whilst buying takeaway seem reasonably normal to me for various parts of the world.

Yeah because the US is a permanent warzone.........................

Your definition of 'reasonably normal' would appear to be most peoiple's definition of batsh1t crazy.

cooldad

Shirley Basso wrote:

This is actually wrong. Guns and weapons of any kind were designed for the sole purpose of killing human beings and have been subsequently modified to kill animals or 'things'.

Ugh the caveman might disagree with you. Although that rock might not technically have been designed.

kingstongraham

Not enough Trump/associates news over the weekend, so this thread needs to disappear down this dead end?

-Crazy tweets about Cohen (and a drugged up loser who hates him), Haberman, Clinton, Mr Magoo, Mr Peepers, Sylvester Stallone, Comey etc etc
-Hannity has spent $90m on 870 houses
-Melania smiles
-Giuliani joins his legal team
-Scott Pruitt is even more dodgy

TheBigBean

cooldad wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Not sure what all the nakedness with guns is about nor the kids with guns photos, but guns on wall whilst changing a nappy and guns on back whilst buying takeaway seem reasonably normal to me for various parts of the world.

Yeah because the US is a permanent warzone.........................

Your definition of 'reasonably normal' would appear to be most peoiple's definition of batsh1t crazy.

People hunt. They do it outside the US too.

cooldad

TheBigBean wrote:

cooldad wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Not sure what all the nakedness with guns is about nor the kids with guns photos, but guns on wall whilst changing a nappy and guns on back whilst buying takeaway seem reasonably normal to me for various parts of the world.

Yeah because the US is a permanent warzone.........................

Your definition of 'reasonably normal' would appear to be most peoiple's definition of batsh1t crazy.

People hunt. They do it outside the US too.

Yep, baby hunting and burger hunting is a good reason...

TheBigBean

cooldad wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

cooldad wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Not sure what all the nakedness with guns is about nor the kids with guns photos, but guns on wall whilst changing a nappy and guns on back whilst buying takeaway seem reasonably normal to me for various parts of the world.

Yeah because the US is a permanent warzone.........................

Your definition of 'reasonably normal' would appear to be most peoiple's definition of batsh1t crazy.

People hunt. They do it outside the US too.

Yep, baby hunting and burger hunting is a good reason...

I give up. Yes, quite clearly the purpose of the guns was to shoot the baby and hold up the burger bar. No other possible reason that hunter would have a gun.

shirley_basso

Shouldn't guns be kept in locked safes and used for the purpose declared on your certificate (hunting, target shooting), not on display around the house as ornaments or brandished as a fashion accessory for strange semi-nude fetishes or when shopping for fast food.

bompington

Moontrane wrote:

As I wrote, incredibly rare. It's an awful picture, but they're kids who have no idea how ignorant they are. Emoting is not an argument.

Do you believe that American teenagers know better/more about the 2nd amendment and guns than adults? Do you know more than American teenagers do about the 2nd amendment and guns?

Well of course, school shootings in the US are so rare that they are barely averaging just over one a week so far this year! Hell, we could have ten times that many and hardly anyone would notice!

As for American teenagers and adults and their knowledge of the 2nd amendment... well, the evidence would certainly suggest that the adults are pretty ignorant, but maybe, just maybe, they really need to forget about the fetishised and misused amendment and just think about what is right?

pblakeney

Futility.
Attempting to have a logical debate with an illogical person.

TheBigBean

Shirley Basso wrote:

Shouldn't guns be kept in locked safes and used for the purpose declared on your certificate (hunting, target shooting), not on display around the house as ornaments or brandished as a fashion accessory for strange semi-nude fetishes or when shopping for fast food.

How do you buy a burger when you are hungry and have been out hunting? You could leave your gun on the back seat of your unlocked truck, but that's not all that safe, far better to walk into burger bar with gun, order burger and have a chat about what you have managed to hunt.

I'm all for gun control, but I also respect that people hunt. For example, in Newfoundland (yes, Canada), the moose has no natural predator, so without hunting the numbers would be uncontrolled. Many families apply for, and receive, a permit to kill one moose each year. It is a lot of meat that feeds a lot of people through winter. So, in Newfoundland, you are likely to see quite a lot of guns, but not that much crime.

orraloon

Semi automatic or not, they can't be all that hot shot hunters if they then need to queue up fer their fast food takeaway.

Anyway, WTF goes hunting and for what with military grade hardware?

imposter2.0

TheBigBean wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

Shouldn't guns be kept in locked safes and used for the purpose declared on your certificate (hunting, target shooting), not on display around the house as ornaments or brandished as a fashion accessory for strange semi-nude fetishes or when shopping for fast food.

How do you buy a burger when you are hungry and have been out hunting? You could leave your gun on the back seat of your unlocked truck, but that's not all that safe, far better to walk into burger bar with gun, order burger and have a chat about what you have managed to hunt.

I'm all for gun control, but I also respect that people hunt. For example, in Newfoundland (yes, Canada), the moose has no natural predator, so without hunting the numbers would be uncontrolled. Many families apply for, and receive, a permit to kill one moose each year. It is a lot of meat that feeds a lot of people through winter. So, in Newfoundland, you are likely to see quite a lot of guns, but not that much crime.

Generally-speaking, people tend not to go moose-hunting with a magazine-fed semi-auto assault weapon...

kingstongraham

Imposter wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

Shouldn't guns be kept in locked safes and used for the purpose declared on your certificate (hunting, target shooting), not on display around the house as ornaments or brandished as a fashion accessory for strange semi-nude fetishes or when shopping for fast food.

How do you buy a burger when you are hungry and have been out hunting? You could leave your gun on the back seat of your unlocked truck, but that's not all that safe, far better to walk into burger bar with gun, order burger and have a chat about what you have managed to hunt.

I'm all for gun control, but I also respect that people hunt. For example, in Newfoundland (yes, Canada), the moose has no natural predator, so without hunting the numbers would be uncontrolled. Many families apply for, and receive, a permit to kill one moose each year. It is a lot of meat that feeds a lot of people through winter. So, in Newfoundland, you are likely to see quite a lot of guns, but not that much crime.

Generally-speaking, people tend not to go moose-hunting with a magazine-fed semi-auto assault weapon...

Not if they want to eat it.

TheBigBean

Are these magazine-fed semi-auto assault weapons?

TheBigBean

orraloon wrote:

Semi automatic or not, they can't be all that hot shot hunters if they then need to queue up fer their fast food takeaway.

Hunting in some parts appears to be more of a drinking / eating / socialising event than sport. I think the drinking happens afterwards.

imposter2.0

TheBigBean wrote:

Are these magazine-fed semi-auto assault weapons?

One appears to be. The other appears to be a shotgun. Neither of the owners seem dressed for 'hunting' and neither weapon would be suitable for moose-hunting, I would have thought. Do you know the origins of the pic?

kingstongraham

This is a road bike forum saying that people are idiots for wanting equipment that is over specified for their needs.

imposter2.0

KingstonGraham wrote:

This is a road bike forum saying that people are idiots for wanting equipment that is over specified for their needs.

Or under-spec'd in this case...

cooldad

TheBigBean wrote:

cooldad wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

cooldad wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Not sure what all the nakedness with guns is about nor the kids with guns photos, but guns on wall whilst changing a nappy and guns on back whilst buying takeaway seem reasonably normal to me for various parts of the world.

Yeah because the US is a permanent warzone.........................

Your definition of 'reasonably normal' would appear to be most peoiple's definition of batsh1t crazy.

People hunt. They do it outside the US too.

Yep, baby hunting and burger hunting is a good reason...

I give up. Yes, quite clearly the purpose of the guns was to shoot the baby and hold up the burger bar. No other possible reason that hunter would have a gun.

Because a gun rack above your baby's cot is just a decor thing...

TheGardenGnome

A country full of people with psychological issues at a higher rate is in need of more gun ownership to defend against them.

TheBigBean

Imposter wrote:

One appears to be. The other appears to be a shotgun. Neither of the owners seem dressed for 'hunting' and neither weapon would be suitable for moose-hunting, I would have thought. Do you know the origins of the pic?

Then they probably weren't moose hunting. Maybe they are the truly lazy hunters that never leave their truck. Or perhaps they had simply been to a shooting range.

I do not know the origins of the picture - I merely commented that it didn't seem that outrageous to me. The proof of that pudding being the way no one seems to have reacted or noticed in the picture. Who knows, maybe a few seconds later an armed robbery took place and a mass shooting, but I suspect it didn't.

TheBigBean

There's two possible dangers here (i) young baby rolls over and lands on floor (ii) baby learns to sit up, and then grabs gun, loads it, and shoots someone.

Judging by the photo, I would guess it was taken in the same era as when you stopped babies rolling off the back seat of the car by putting the shopping in the way.

There is no cot in sight. He's just changing a nappy.

cooldad wrote:

Because a gun rack above your baby's cot is just a decor thing...

veronese68

TheBigBean wrote:

The proof of that pudding being the way no one seems to have reacted or noticed in the picture.

If it's that normal why did the photographer think it worthy of a photo?
There are limited uses for guns, the way you are arguing makes it seem that you think the number and type of guns in the US is reasonable and there is no need for gun control.

shirley_basso

The AK47 replica is a magazine fed semi automatic weapon, visible by the larger-than-standard capacity magazine protruding from it.

The Shotgun is a pump action variety which is also semi automatic, although has a smaller capacity, internal magazine.

The weapons could/should be left in a locked compartment inside the owners vehicle, which could be locked.

More's the point, why the hell are these weapons loaded while shopping for burgers?

These weapons are not necessary for hunting and the AK replica is particularly inaccurate as well so not good for much except for people with excess testosterone.

Pump action shotguns aren't exactly 'sporting' but are used in clay shoots etc.

The only defense of this image would be that it is taken at a BB-gun/air soft range.

The 2nd Amendment is a little out of date and was for homeowners to defend themselves against the military during the civil war. I don't think it anticipated it meant easy access to all and sundry to maintain an arsenal at home and wear them in the streets with magazines attached.

Do you not think the 'death-by-shooting' stats are a little alarming in the USA? It seems that life is cheap over there, yet the penalties are life imprisonment. I think the US population needs saving from itself in some cases.

TheBigBean

Veronese68 wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

The proof of that pudding being the way no one seems to have reacted or noticed in the picture.

If it's that normal why did the photographer think it worthy of a photo?
There are limited uses for guns, the way you are arguing makes it seem that you think the number and type of guns in the US is reasonable and there is no need for gun control.

Not at all, but failing to understand hunting and people that do it, weakens the argument.

Much like the UK, I would ban handguns, automatics, the ability to buy a gun without any checks and the ability to carry a gun in a city centre (that one might need some legal refinement).

kingstongraham

Shirley Basso wrote:

The 2nd Amendment is a little out of date and was for homeowners to defend themselves against the military during the civil war. I don't think it anticipated it meant easy access to all and sundry to maintain an arsenal at home and wear them in the streets with magazines attached.

The 2nd amendment was adopted in 1791. The civil war started in 1861.

TheBigBean

I should add, I am not claiming any knowledge of gun types and uses. Just that they are common place in some parts of the world.

Edit. First google hit.

The next time you head to the woods for deer—think AK. Seriously. Well, that is if you want a reliable, heavy-hitting, easy-to-clean, strip, reassemble, and shoot in rain, sleet, snow, mud and swamp rifle—because the Russian-designed AK-47 military rifle is all these things and more. A lot more.

https://www.americanhunter.org/articles ... -it-ak-47/

veronese68

TheBigBean wrote:

Not at all, but failing to understand hunting and people that do it, weakens the argument.

Thought that would be the case, you don't seem unreasonable. I don't think any of the people in those pictures were hunters though, most of them were posing because they thought they looked cool with guns. Some hunting, such as the moose you mention may be alright. But then you get to the idiots hunting endangered species. I must admit I'm of the opinion that hunting big game hunters should be legalised.

tangled_metal

Just how hard is it to put your guns away in a locked box in your trunk after hunting before travelling to a fast food outlet (probably by vehicle)?

I very much doubt fast food outlets are located in areas people hunt in. Indeed in many states you are not allowed to hunt within city limits. City limits can include areas semi-rural too I believe. However it's often legal to hunt certain deer within city limits with a bow.

Personally I'd have thought that considering USA is a highly patriotic country and school system promotes that the people who probably know more about it are the ones closest to the time they were educated about it. In other words school kids who have just been taught about the constitution and constitutional matters. Unless they no longer teach it at high schools.