Donald Trump

rjsterry

Veronese68 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Arrested for questioning by the PSNI.
As someone wittier than I put it, even *we* thought her religious intolerance was a bit much

I thought she'd been convicted for something else previously over here.
Nice quote by the way.

She has. Two separate incidents.

orraloon

The Dotard really is a nasty little gobshite.

pinno

orraloon wrote:

The Dotard really is a nasty little gobshite.

He's not stupid enough to think he is not under pressure. A cornered dog and all that.

bianchimoon

saw an interview with Brendan Cox whos wife wife was murdered by a Britain First supporter on CNN tonight, such an amazing guy, put dotard in his place in such a sensisitive way, it was beyond compassion. The way he talked about dotard is a lesson to us all in compassion and tolerance

bianchimoon

[@realDonaldTrump
.@Theresa_May, don’t focus on me, focus on the destructive Radical Islamic Terrorism that is taking place within the United Kingdom. We are doing just fine![/quote]

PhilipPirrip

bianchimoon wrote:

[@realDonaldTrump
.@Theresa_May, don’t focus on me, focus on the destructive Radical Islamic Terrorism that is taking place within the United Kingdom. We are doing just fine!

Sent to the wrong Theresa May, since deleted.

So not only is he fomenting hate by retweeting fake anti-muslim videos from an organisation whose leader is a criminal with a follower who killed a British MP but his response to causing an international diplomatic incident is to tweet a random person rather than pick up the telephone to call one of your key allies.

Dotard isn't a strong enough descriptor for this moron. He's gone full blown retard.

ayjaycee

rjsterry wrote:

I think weird puts a nice gloss on it.

You can’t polish a turd!

orraloon

Covfefe-man's 'state'(?) visit to the UK, should it go ahead, should be fun. Might even get myself down that Lahndahn armed with ripe tangerines.

rolf_f

Funny how Dotard can endless tweet tripe all day long and yet one response from TM to one of his tweets implies that somehow that is compromising our fight against terrorism.

orraloon wrote:

Covfefe-man's 'state'(?) visit to the UK, should it go ahead, should be fun. Might even get myself down that Lahndahn armed with ripe tangerines.

Tangerines? How dull. I shall be throwing covfefe at him. I quite like the idea of a state visit. We could do it in such a way that reflects his position in the world as a dignified statesman. Eg put him up in a Travelodge and ferry him round in a used Corsa.

lostboysaint

bianchimoon wrote:

[@realDonaldTrump
.@Theresa_May, don’t focus on me, focus on the destructive Radical Islamic Terrorism that is taking place within the United Kingdom. We are doing just fine!

[/quote]


To be fair they are, I mean it's not as if they've had planes crashing into buildings or white, christian fundamentalists gunning people down on a weekly basis is it?

tangled_metal

Dragging up the past with that comment about planes. All he reply about republican bombing campaign over here? Your argument would have stood on white Christian fundamentalists gunning ppl down. There's been enough white gunmen killing ppl to show America up without bringing up 11/9 events (sorry I'm British, can't go with the American date format).

Whole load of cr@p based on poor research and poor memory.

Also, I find it distasteful to bring up the plane based terrorist attacks on America in a forum post which IMHO has no relevance if not because of the time since it happened. Different president, different political climate.

rick_chasey

Tangled Metal wrote:

Dragging up the past with that comment about planes. All he reply about republican bombing campaign over here? Your argument would have stood on white Christian fundamentalists gunning ppl down. There's been enough white gunmen killing ppl to show America up without bringing up 11/9 events (sorry I'm British, can't go with the American date format).

BTW the killer of the mp had no literature of Britain First. He only shouted

He's also pictured out with them holding Britain First flags and stood up and declared Britain first in his trial, so he's definitely one of them.

Don't come out with crap.

tangled_metal

Rick Chasey wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Dragging up the past with that comment about planes. All he reply about republican bombing campaign over here? Your argument would have stood on white Christian fundamentalists gunning ppl down. There's been enough white gunmen killing ppl to show America up without bringing up 11/9 events (sorry I'm British, can't go with the American date format).

BTW the killer of the mp had no literature of Britain First. He only shouted

He's also pictured out with them holding Britain First flags and stood up and declared Britain first in his trial, so he's definitely one of them.

Don't come out with crap.

Oops! Just took something reported yesterday in relation to this about what was found in his home, namely nazi memorabilia and pamphlets from an American far right group. Corrected my post accordingly!

pblakeney

I assumed Lostboy was being sarcastic.

lostboysaint

PBlakeney wrote:

I assumed Lostboy was being sarcastic.

tangled_metal

lostboysaint wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

I assumed Lostboy was being sarcastic.

I got that, just don't believe terrorist attacks even close to that magnitude should be part of humour. Even sarcastic humour. Taste in humour is personal I guess.

lostboysaint

Well you have a serious case of double standards and a failure to understand consequence then haven't you. Never mind, you keep sticking up for the racist, homophobic, self-confessed sexual predator, social media obsessed President and the rest of us will be forever grateful that whilst we have the worst government in years it is unlikely to ever put us in the same position of danger that he continues to propagate.

lostboysaint

Just so that you're aware TM:

Around 130 people have been killed in the UK due to "Radical Islamic Terrorism" since 2000. The period that includes the tower attacks.

87 people have been killed by two white, domestic US terrorists in 2017.

The Dotard of Covfefe might be best off focusing closer to home where the number of right wing terrorist attacks eclipses left wing and Islamist put together.

tangled_metal

I wasn't sticking up for him just mistakenly posted a comment on a report relating to this tweet about what was found in his home. I corrected that and acknowledged my mistake in that. It did not however condone his actions in any way.

If you can point out to any comment that justifies or condones or supports his actions whether specifically stated or a comment that can be perceived as supporting him, please point that out. I will amend that because I do not condone violence. I do not condone or support racist or far right views.

If any of my posts can be perceived as giving this support it is not intended and I would completely want to correct the post to remove this perception.

My comments about the murderer I have removed and commented on once corrected. I admit that was a stupid post based on cr@p research (none just a brief section of a recent news report). I will do the same with the rest of that post if you can explain how it supports Trump on his racist retweets.

I will stand by my view that the 9/11 (American fate format) is not a matter to be used in an attempt at making a sarcastic point. IMHO apart from the fact it was a major terrorist attack in the heart of a democratic country resulting in a large loss of life. It was also a turning point in Western approaches to world affairs. It was undoubtedly a major factor / cause for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. IMHO it was the event that could be considered the trigger event to the loss of a lot of lives that might not have needed to be lost. It's a really significant event. I do not see humour in it. I will put that view forward when I think it's valid. YVMV.

rick_chasey

lostboysaint wrote:

Just so that you're aware TM:

Around 130 people have been killed in the UK due to "Radical Islamic Terrorism" since 2000. The period that includes the tower attacks.

87 people have been killed by two white, domestic US terrorists in 2017.

The Dotard of Covfefe might be best off focusing closer to home where the number of right wing terrorist attacks eclipses left wing and Islamist put together.

Here's a clue.

Trump likes to be racist.

Trump likes excuses to be racist.

ISIS, Al Quaeda. They know Westerners like to be racist towards people muslims. That's why the exist; it's their lifeblood.

The more Muslims feel alienated and threatened by the west, the more appealing places like ISIS etc are.

Trump literally doesn't care about Americans being shot.

Trump cares about making America whiter.

People need to stop taking racists literally. Racists have worked out talk about 'IMMIGRATION' and 'TERRORISM' are now all dog whistles for 'brown people, usually of ME origin'.

When you hear a racist say 'we're not allowed to talk about immigration', what they mean is 'i'm not allowed to be racist in public anymore'.

Both in the US and the UK, on a day-to-day level, it's more socially unacceptable to call someone racist than it is to be racist.

We all know that guy in the office who makes the offensive joke or comment.

We have all been in the position where, because everyone else laughs, you don't stand up and go "that's racist, it makes me think there's a decent chance you are", because you know everyone will turn on you and tell you to chill out and stop being a d*ck.

The real taboo in the UK and US is discussing what racism is.

It's the same on this forum. Call someone racist and Christ, the grief you get for it. The focus goes all on that and not whether, y'know, that person is perpetuating racism and all the bad stuff that goes along with that.

Americans who vote for Trump like Trump because he says what they feel they cannot. He says the racist stuff they think and say privately. He reflects their values.

bianchimoon

Rumours going round that Trump is about to replace Tillerson with CIA director Pompeo

orraloon

Rick Chasey wrote:

He's also pictured out with them holding Britain First flags...

I have that picture. I won't post it. Filed away for future use to correct misinformation.

I have an ex work colleague who on several occasions has shared BF badged material on her Fbook, of the ( Usanian terminology) motherhood and apple pie type. Common sense stuff, appeal to core values of Brits, get their fascist logo and brand broadcast, get the name into the mainstream, spread in all innocence by those who don't see the manipulation.

Sh1t times in which we live.

cooldad

orraloon wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

He's also pictured out with them holding Britain First flags...

I have that picture. I won't post it. Filed away for future use to correct misinformation.

I have an ex work colleague who on several occasions has shared BF badged material on her Fbook, of the ( Usanian terminology) motherhood and apple pie type. Common sense stuff, appeal to core values of Brits, get their fascist logo and brand broadcast, get the name into the mainstream, spread in all innocence by those who don't see the manipulation.

Sh1t times in which we live.

A friend and I have a game. Any friend posting BF stuff gets unfriended immediately, because they are either nazis, stupid or both.

Can't say I've missed them much.

orraloon

Stolen from another place.

pblakeney

cooldad wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

He's also pictured out with them holding Britain First flags...

I have that picture. I won't post it. Filed away for future use to correct misinformation.

I have an ex work colleague who on several occasions has shared BF badged material on her Fbook, of the ( Usanian terminology) motherhood and apple pie type. Common sense stuff, appeal to core values of Brits, get their fascist logo and brand broadcast, get the name into the mainstream, spread in all innocence by those who don't see the manipulation.

Sh1t times in which we live.

A friend and I have a game. Any friend posting BF stuff gets unfriended immediately, because they are either nazis, stupid or both.

Can't say I've missed them much.

I have employed that same strategy for a few years now.
I agree on the not missing them part, and it makes Facebook ever so slightly more tolerable.

mr_goo

First, before I try and make a point on Trump's ReTweets of BF videos. I believe he is an idiot of the first order. But a very clever idiot.
My point on the Britain First videos is that it has obviously been main topic on news feeds and phone ins. All claiming that BF are a far right organisation.
So my question is. If BF are far right, what the hell were the Nazis on the political spectrum? As far as I'm aware BF are just a breakaway from BNP and consist of a few morons that spout off about immigrants. They've hardly formed into a paramilitary organisation that systematically rounds up gypsies, Jews and the disabled and then exterminate them. As far as I'm concerned BF are just stupid right wing with narrow minded views of the outside world and it's people. But Far Right? No. Their views should be seen in the perspective of what could happen. But they are a million miles away from Nazism.

Corbyn and his motley crew should also shut the F up about this too. Given his love of Hezbollah and Hamas. Not forgetting his mate Chavez.

And our PM should have just kept quiet over the whole affair. Considering our military is being run down and our reliance on US backup, Trump could quite easily pull out all US forces from UK. Then we'd be up 5hit creek if the rockets went up.

pblakeney

Re BF being far right.
Try engaging in conversation with some of them. What you read is their polite considered side.

veronese68

To most normal people their views are far right. I suppose what is considered far right depends on the point of view of the person commenting. You can hold extremist views without actually carrying out genocide. Should Trump be called out for sharing their views? Of course he should. These things cannot be left unchallenged as that legitimises them.

tangled_metal

orraloon wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

He's also pictured out with them holding Britain First flags...

I have that picture. I won't post it. Filed away for future use to correct misinformation.

If only I'd seen it before posting. :oops:

tangled_metal

One thing I would like to ask, how far from Brexit supporters are BF in your opinion?

I work in an area that was considered a classic Brexit voting constituency in the referendum time. Indeed some news channels focused on opinion polls and vox pop from here. So when I discussed Brexit referendum at the time I got a lot of pro Brexit arguments.

Some arguing it are very racist both before referendum and afterwards. One is quite possibly beyond what BF publicly accepts. He's positively vile when he's talking about anybody not white.

Others were less extreme. However some very nice ppl normally got sucked into the atmosphere of Brexit. A lot of racist comments were made by them. I was embarrassed by it because there were a lot of anti polish comments. They were made in front of a lot of polish colleagues. It was hypocritical because they spouted such bile then turned and asked for a lift from a polish colleague or had a very friendly conversation with one. It's like they couldn't see anything wrong.

Now a lot are regretting it but a few are not. One rampant brexiteer will fall out with you big time if you say anything that's not positive about it.

The thing is clear that they spouted comments that I expect from BNP, BF and similar not from such a large majority of colleagues.

BTW I can't unfriend everyone I work with unlike FB friends. Well, I try.

So my question is how far are the general public who support Brexit from the comments of BF? At work I don't think they're that far apart. However a lot of them aren't shall at say academically gifted. Critical thought is what they hear from someone they like on Facebook or DM. Their FB friends are like them so there's very few about to confront their views.