Dan Stevens
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759113#p19759113]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:If they test more they will catch more, I've won a lot of events and never been tested.
Gabriel was a promising rider, but he wasn't going to be pro (no matter what he or anyone else thinks) so it does beg the question of why - I beat him a few times in Richmond Park TT's but I find it hard to believe being beaten in a second rate TT champs or any other similar event (nobody cares about junior CTT champs) is the reason you go about getting some EPO, its all a bit sad and raises more questions than it answers really.
You beat a guy who's doped??? This can only point to one thing...
*phones UKAD*
We joke, but that essentially is many peoples line of enquiry with Froome :shock: :shock:Blog on my first and now second season of proper riding/racing - www.firstseasonracing.com0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759113#p19759113]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:If they test more they will catch more, I've won a lot of events and never been tested.
Gabriel was a promising rider, but he wasn't going to be pro (no matter what he or anyone else thinks) so it does beg the question of why - I beat him a few times in Richmond Park TT's but I find it hard to believe being beaten in a second rate TT champs or any other similar event (nobody cares about junior CTT champs) is the reason you go about getting some EPO, its all a bit sad and raises more questions than it answers really.
You beat a guy who's doped??? This can only point to one thing...
*phones UKAD*
We joke, but that essentially is many peoples line of enquiry with Froome :shock: :shock:
Quite.0 -
Gabriel was a promising rider, but he wasn't going to be pro (no matter what he or anyone else thinks) so it does beg the question of why - I beat him a few times in Richmond Park TT's but I find it hard to believe being beaten in a second rate TT champs or any other similar event (nobody cares about junior CTT champs) is the reason you go about getting some EPO, its all a bit sad and raises more questions than it answers really.
I've never raced, so feel free to shoot this down but I can see why someone would be tempted. If they want to win, or just race without so much effort and hence enjoy it more, it might be a temptation. It's just a short-cut to riding quicker more easily and probably very low risk, and for an amateur rider there's not a lot to lose. It makes more sense to me that a lowly amateur/non-pro would take something to give them a boost than a pro who has livelihood/career to lose.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
I'm the other way round, I can see why a pro might do it as basically their livelihood might depend on it, similarly why a young rider might view it as a means to getting to a certain level where they can make a living from cycling. What I can't relate to is why someone would do it just to get better results in amateur sport - that really is a messed up ego trip and speaks volumes about those individuals.0
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I'm the other way round, I can see why a pro might do it as basically their livelihood might depend on it, similarly why a young rider might view it as a means to getting to a certain level where they can make a living from cycling. What I can't relate to is why someone would do it just to get better results in amateur sport - that really is a messed up ego trip and speaks volumes about those individuals.
This. You need to be seriously odd to waste your money on PEDs for CTT events."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759136#p19759136]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I'm the other way round, I can see why a pro might do it as basically their livelihood might depend on it, similarly why a young rider might view it as a means to getting to a certain level where they can make a living from cycling. What I can't relate to is why someone would do it just to get better results in amateur sport - that really is a messed up ego trip and speaks volumes about those individuals.
This. You need to be seriously odd to waste your money on PEDs for CTT events.
But people will spend north of £5000 on a bike that will give them 5 or 10 seconds over a 10, and nobody bats an eyelid?It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759136#p19759136]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:I'm the other way round, I can see why a pro might do it as basically their livelihood might depend on it, similarly why a young rider might view it as a means to getting to a certain level where they can make a living from cycling. What I can't relate to is why someone would do it just to get better results in amateur sport - that really is a messed up ego trip and speaks volumes about those individuals.
This. You need to be seriously odd to waste your money on PEDs for CTT events.
a 20second search came up with this...
http://www.centrinolab.org/epo-erythropoietin-3000iu5vialsbox-p-31.html
That's about £40 sterling I think. Good value compared to a set of deep sections, pointy helmet and skinsuit I'd say0 -
But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.0
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But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
Sounds like my excuses for RLJ! Seriously though, race of truth and all that...0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
That's what gets me wound up about the "they're all at it" cynics. They are in danger of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
That's what gets me wound up about the "they're all at it" cynics. They are in danger of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Bazinga.0 -
But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
People cheat and lie all the time for an advantage. They take illegal substances to have a more enjoyable night out. Why would sport, which at this level is all about self-fulfilment and enjoyment, be any different?
Look, I'm not endorsing it in any way, but if someone is the type of person that doesn't take rules/laws/ethics all that seriously when it suits them, then it's not a surprise that they'll do it in their hobby. They will still be satisfied that they've gone quicker/whatever.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
This^
It's easy to persuade yourself that it's "you" coming up with the goods and not the drugs. It's so easy to obtain and administer there are no dodgy blood bags it's done in seconds. So dopers will convince themselves that they were just as good anyway.
Add to that the minor celebrity of being a "somebody" in your sport even if you are an amateur there is status in being among the best in your club or region and standing on that top step. Even if you are caught no-one can take that feeling away from you and the real winner is forever cheated of it.
Also their is sponsorship of bikes or kit and maybe even representative riding (if you get your doping right). In years to come you can even convince yourself that you never actually doped in the first place0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
This^
It's easy to persuade yourself that it's "you" coming up with the goods and not the drugs. It's so easy to obtain and administer there are no dodgy blood bags it's done in seconds. So dopers will convince themselves that they were just as good anyway.
Add to that the minor celebrity of being a "somebody" in your sport even if you are an amateur there is status in being among the best in your club or region and standing on that top step. Even if you are caught no-one can take that feeling away from you and the real winner is forever cheated of it.
Also their is sponsorship of bikes or kit and maybe even representative riding (if you get your doping right). In years to come you can even convince yourself that you never actually doped in the first place
If the Cannibal can, then so can an amateur or hobbyist :?0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
This^
It's easy to persuade yourself that it's "you" coming up with the goods and not the drugs. It's so easy to obtain and administer there are no dodgy blood bags it's done in seconds. So dopers will convince themselves that they were just as good anyway.
Add to that the minor celebrity of being a "somebody" in your sport even if you are an amateur there is status in being among the best in your club or region and standing on that top step. Even if you are caught no-one can take that feeling away from you and the real winner is forever cheated of it.
Also their is sponsorship of bikes or kit and maybe even representative riding (if you get your doping right). In years to come you can even convince yourself that you never actually doped in the first place
Shudder
It's the messing around with needles to put god knows what is actually in tge vial into my body that scares me as much as being the amoral, status obsessed twunt described above."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
@gietvangent0 -
absolutely!But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
I TT and in one race I caught up with a slow moving tractor on a downhill section 35mph plus which slowed me down as I couldn't safely pass. the road flattened and turned into a headwind. I was faced with a choice.... sit in in the slipstream and get a tug along the road and set a course time that I would never better "legitimately" or pull out into the wind on the white line and ride honestly and set an honest time and get dropped by the traffic. no one would have known, but it came down to honour.. I pulled out into the wind and rode a true 'unassisted' ride. if anything, I was hindered by the traffic.
a couple of years later I set an honest course record in awful conditions with no assistance. do I cherish this? you bet, and I still hold the course record and I know it is an honest one.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759169#p19759169]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
This^
It's easy to persuade yourself that it's "you" coming up with the goods and not the drugs. It's so easy to obtain and administer there are no dodgy blood bags it's done in seconds. So dopers will convince themselves that they were just as good anyway.
Add to that the minor celebrity of being a "somebody" in your sport even if you are an amateur there is status in being among the best in your club or region and standing on that top step. Even if you are caught no-one can take that feeling away from you and the real winner is forever cheated of it.
Also their is sponsorship of bikes or kit and maybe even representative riding (if you get your doping right). In years to come you can even convince yourself that you never actually doped in the first place
Shudder
It's the messing around with needles to put god knows what is actually in tge vial into my body that scares me as much as being the amoral, status obsessed twunt described above.
I agree but I think it is administered subcutaneously so you don't have to find a vein. I guess it's no more onerous than shaving your legs0 -
Evans has said himself that he was inspired to experiment after watching that Panorama programme where the journalist took EPO himself. It's a bit like when my generation saw news reports about ecstasy and thought 'that looks bloody brilliant'[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
That's what gets me wound up about the "they're all at it" cynics. They are in danger of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.Twitter: @RichN950 -
absolutely!But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
I TT and in one race I caught up with a slow moving tractor on a downhill section 35mph plus which slowed me down as I couldn't safely pass. the road flattened and turned into a headwind. I was faced with a choice.... sit in in the slipstream and get a tug along the road and set a course time that I would never better "legitimately" or pull out into the wind on the white line and ride honestly and set an honest time and get dropped by the traffic. no one would have known, but it came down to honour.. I pulled out into the wind and rode a true 'unassisted' ride. if anything, I was hindered by the traffic.
a couple of years later I set an honest course record in awful conditions with no assistance. do I cherish this? you bet, and I still hold the course record and I know it is an honest one.
One or two still bet pinged in local TT's for drafting each season here. they all know they shouldn't and don't cough it at the end, but end up DQ'd when they get dobbed by the marshalls. Some of them are old enough and experienced enough to know better0 -
I don't think he was doing it just to win the national 10, had he not been caught he would have gone on the ride junior tour and wales, he came 18th 2:13 down on the winner at the national champs, he probably saw the BBC program on Mo and thought if i get some i could be contesting the win next month, that is if his story is to be believed and that it was there first time he took it which seems all to common excuse0
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Who ever imagined bad things could happen from borrowing a used syringe? The more you learn.
Regarding Gabriel Evans, that he claimed it was his first time means he's either very, very unlucky, or he's lying and is very, very likely to cheat again.0 -
Remember a teammates dad caught him, not a test. A habitual doper would be more careful, I would have thought. He's a dumb kid not some seasoned pro, so the first time thing seems reasonable. It's not like he's protecting great palmares or prize money.Who ever imagined bad things could happen from borrowing a used syringe? The more you learn.
Regarding Gabriel Evans, that he claimed it was his first time means he's either very, very unlucky, or he's lying and is very, very likely to cheat again.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Remember a teammates dad caught him, not a test. A habitual doper would be more careful, I would have thought. He's a dumb kid not some seasoned pro, so the first time thing seems reasonable. It's not like he's protecting great palmares or prize money.Who ever imagined bad things could happen from borrowing a used syringe? The more you learn.
Regarding Gabriel Evans, that he claimed it was his first time means he's either very, very unlucky, or he's lying and is very, very likely to cheat again.
still he knew he was very likely to get banned but still rocked up to the 10 TT champs and put everyone away, that act removes any sympathy from me0 -
Evans has said himself that he was inspired to experiment after watching that Panorama programme where the journalist took EPO himself. It's a bit like when my generation saw news reports about ecstasy and thought 'that looks bloody brilliant'[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
That's what gets me wound up about the "they're all at it" cynics. They are in danger of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I wondered if it was more the "micro dosing is undetectable" angle the programme went for, after all he didnt fail a test it would seem, it was just his teammates/teammates Dad that caught him.
and for all the habitual dopers are careful, he might be 18 but he's still a kid in terms of life experience like that, and clearly was giving away enough cues to make the people around him suspicious enough to confront him about it like that.
thing is didnt Cycling Weeklys earlier piece say they were two positive tests, we've had 1 for sure, but did they test Evans subsequently ? or is there another to come ?0 -
Evans has said himself that he was inspired to experiment after watching that Panorama programme where the journalist took EPO himself. It's a bit like when my generation saw news reports about ecstasy and thought 'that looks bloody brilliant'[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19759146#p19759146]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
Ability to self-delude
'Its not really cheating', 'I'm not hurting anyone', 'I only do it occasionally', 'I'd still be good/fast, with or without it', or of course the old favourite 'everyone else is doing it'
That's what gets me wound up about the "they're all at it" cynics. They are in danger of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I wondered if it was more the "micro dosing is undetectable" angle the programme went for, after all he didnt fail a test it would seem, it was just his teammates/teammates Dad that caught him.
and for all the habitual dopers are careful, he might be 18 but he's still a kid in terms of life experience like that, and clearly was giving away enough cues to make the people around him suspicious enough to confront him about it like that.
thing is didnt Cycling Weeklys earlier piece say they were two positive tests, we've had 1 for sure, but did they test Evans subsequently ? or is there another to come ?
i'm guessing admitting to doping is classed as a positive test, like getting caught for drink driving, not giving a sample is treated as over the limit0 -
thing is didnt Cycling Weeklys earlier piece say they were two positive tests, we've had 1 for sure, but did they test Evans subsequently ? or is there another to come ?
can't see that the second persons been advertised as yet.
No sympathy from me. you do something illegal, you take your chances.0 -
You might think that. But I know for myself that, for example, I'm ridiculously chuffed if I do my commute in under an hour - even though that's invariably because I've had a raging tailwind. I know that and I take no credit for it, but it doesn't stop me feeling chuffed.But what's the point? You've cheated, your times / placings don't count. You would know that, even if nobody else does. I can't relate to why anybody would get any sense of satisfaction out of doing that.
A tailwind is like zero-cost, consequence-free EPO. If someone offered me that, just so I could haul my sorry fat middle-aged arse to work a bit faster, would I take it? I like to think not, but I'd be tempted. If that's how I feel as a non-competitive solo cyclist with no pretensions whatsoever to competition, how is a testosterone-laden lad going to feel?0
