La Vuelta '15 #17 Burgos ITT **SPOILERS**
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I guess it's possible for people to perform beyond what you'd expect of them given their physical attributes.
2009 Tour
Many previous Tours have contained more than 100 kilometres of individual time trials. This year, there are only 55.
But after the ride of the maillot jaune Thursday in Annecy, around a 40.5-kilometre lakeside route hardly made for a 62-kilo featherweight like Contador, it seems the 26-year-old would not have cared if there were 1,000 kilometres of racing against the clock.
The 2009 Tour de France can no longer be called a race for climbers. It has become a race for Alberto Contador. Because in this specialised discipline the French call contre-la-montre, he beat all the time trial specialists, all the rouleurs, all the climbers… He beat everyone.
Beat Cancellara by a MASSIVE 3 seconds! With a bloody big hill in it at the end of a three week race when Cancellara's legs are shot.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Its not like he put a minute into Martin or Cancellara. This was a poor TT field.
I'm actually coming around to Rick's way of thinking that this is a poor level of competition for the race. The class riders are either injured, dq'd, not taking part or knackered after the Tour.
Also Quintana seems to do well at TTs. Always has.
Hold on a second, just so I am clear. It is perfectly reasonable that he should smash the competition in the TT and you cite proper flatland TT riders as competition who cannot ride up mountains that fast. But at the same time it is perfectly reasonable that this same guy is able to be right up there on GC due to climbing with the best of them. Ok then. He is either a talent beyond what I have ever witnessed clean or I struggle to believe my eyes.
I think Frenchie should re-acquaint himself with the defamatory posts guidelines. This sort of insinuation is sailing very close to the wind in my opinion.
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Give me a break. 1 min is smashing the opposition. Absolutely it is. The gap from 1st-2ns was 1.04 and the gap from 2nd to 12th was 1.24.
He put 1'42" into Bodnar in the WC last year (10km extra length), so 1'04" if anything is below par.
Agree with this, and the betting markets support that view with the drift in price.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19699742#p19699742]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:
But anyway the argument that riders who can TT with the best shouldnt be able to hang with the best climbers, really does need to put out with the rest of the rubbish.
This.
If you look at how Dumoulin rode in the mountains he extracted every advantage his TTing skills could give him. He knew exactly where his limits were and never exceeded them. He never went into the red, except in the final metres. He didn't chase down attacks, he slowly clawed them back. He dropped off on the steep stuff, and made ground up on the flatter sections. This is textbook stuff.
This is in contrast to the climbers, who were putting in digs, closing gaps and sparring. On each occasion they risked going into the red and not being able to recover.
It takes far less effort to ride the climb at your own pace, within your limit, without blowing up. This is basic.
Which is how all the successful GT riders renowned for TTing have always ridden: from Anquetil, through Hinault and Indurain to Wiggins.0 -
Dombro lost over 7mins yesterday. Annoying that Nieve dropped from 5th to 9th.
Shame my man Quintana had a fever earlier in this race. Remove his stage 11 loss and he would in with a shout at the GC win.Contador is the Greatest0 -
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But it was an astonishing ride by Alberto Contador that dominated the day. Fastest at all intermediate time checksWith a bloody big hill in it
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I was standing on the hill by the way. Could have reached out and touched them. Needless to say the difference between Cancellara and Contador was stark. Keep banging the drum though, it will about the 67th time on this forum (you must account for 13 or so of those).Contador is the Greatest0
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But it was an astonishing ride by Alberto Contador that dominated the day. Fastest at all intermediate time checksWith a bloody big hill in it
There you go. Spoiling a good argument and bursting an adoration bubble with logic and facts. Shame on you...0 -
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I was standing on the hill by the way. Could have reached out and touched them. Needless to say the difference between Cancellara and Contador was stark. Keep banging the drum though, it will about the 67th time on this forum (you must account for 13 or so of those).
To start with, I have absolutely nothing against Contador. The thing is you've as good as called Dumoulin a doper (boarderline 'banged the drum' about it) which I do take offence to, since it is spoiling some good banter about the race. I was just pointing out that people can do exceptional rides, unless of course you are saying that Contador wasn't clean during this ride where he clearly beat one of the worlds best testers even over the first completely flat part of the course.0 -
I was standing on the hill by the way. Could have reached out and touched them. Needless to say the difference between Cancellara and Contador was stark. Keep banging the drum though, it will about the 67th time on this forum (you must account for 13 or so of those).
To start with, I have absolutely nothing against Contador. The thing is you've as good as called Dumoulin a doper (boarderline 'banged the drum' about it) which I do take offence to, since it is spoiling some good banter about the race. I was just pointing out that people can do exceptional rides, unless of course you are saying that Contador wasn't clean during this ride where he clearly beat one of the worlds best testers even over the first completely flat part of the course.
Par for the course though.
There's a school of coaching thought that suggests that the physical requirements of TT riding in terms of sustaining output over a long period isn't that different from those required for long climbs. But that it's far harder to learn how to TT properly (in terms of position, technique and core) that it is to climb on a normal road bike. You only need to look at J-Rod's woeful TT position and technique to see how he concedes so much time.
Tom D doesn't strike me as massively heavy for his height so his power-to-weight is good. That being the case there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to climb well. It's when the pure climbers attack and really hit that hard that he suffers, again entirely as you'd expect.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
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So it was a poor TT by Doumoulin?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
I think that's most rational peoples interpretation of yesterday yep
If you want more bullsh1t though, guess who's piped up today
Where did you pull that one from?It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19698800#p19698800]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:I can confirm from the female POV that he is fairly easy on the eye
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