TOM D Positive for Testosterone.
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I look at armstrong these days and just see some really tacky tragic ending yet to play out.
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I find him more interesting post admission.
Much more.
in what he says or in what he does?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I look at armstrong these days and just see some really tacky tragic ending yet to play out.
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I find him more interesting post admission.
Much more.
in what he says or in what he does?
Same thing. What he says is what he does really.
Just the psychology of the guy who has always been so aggressive & angry in response to any challenge or obstacle and has, until the admission, used it to 'win' and get public affection. Ultimately, everyone wants to be loved, and that was the only way he could really get that. The fame and public adoration was the main way he got that - I mean look at all his failed marriages.
Now he's living in a world where all of that success has been built on a flat out lie, and the same route he took to adoration has turned him into a social pariah and the way he deals with it is pretty interesting to me.
Let's face it, the guy is total box office, and in terms of character is in a different universe to any current rider.0 -
Lance and Vaughters team up on the creation of an anti-doping team after Doug pulls his money. I'm calling it now, this is Lance's way back in.0
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Lance and Vaughters team up on the creation of an anti-doping team after Doug pulls his money. I'm calling it now, this is Lance's way back in.
There's more chance of it being sunny in Manchester for two days on the trot.0 -
Lance and Vaughters team up on the creation of an anti-doping team after Doug pulls his money. I'm calling it now, this is Lance's way back in.
There's more chance of it being sunny in Manchester for two days on the trot.
I think if Doug pulls his money, then JV pulls out too. The real issue as I see it is that somewhere along the line, slipstream became garmin and then ended up as cannondale ... It's no longer Jvs pet project.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
Team Livestrong Slipstream has a nice ring to it. Slipstrong?0
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I look at armstrong these days and just see some really tacky tragic ending yet to play out.
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I find him more interesting post admission.
Much more.
in what he says or in what he does?
Same thing. What he says is what he does really.
Just the psychology of the guy who has always been so aggressive & angry in response to any challenge or obstacle and has, until the admission, used it to 'win' and get public affection. Ultimately, everyone wants to be loved, and that was the only way he could really get that. The fame and public adoration was the main way he got that - I mean look at all his failed marriages.
Now he's living in a world where all of that success has been built on a flat out lie, and the same route he took to adoration has turned him into a social pariah and the way he deals with it is pretty interesting to me.
Let's face it, the guy is total box office, and in terms of character is in a different universe to any current rider.
THe box office factor plays out for sure..it is a slow motion train wreck. One problem he has is he is not practiced in telling the truth. He has spent so much of his life talking utter 5hite to so many different people in his life and the public separating it all in his head must be almost impossible..
its a constant process of self justification every interview."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I can imagine even Sir Dave allowed himself an eyebrow raise for a milli-second at JV's predicament. Sky's no tolerance approach was made out to be frumpy and Victorian in comparison to Garmin's truth and reconciliation approach. JV appeared too cool for school and it may have ended up like one of those 70's social experiments where you educate problem kids by treating them like adults. Unfortunately one of those kids may have burnt the school down.
I think that is why some people are taking so much glee from JV's situation. Unfortunately it puts the boot into another good team and may threaten its survival and the short term future of some brilliant riders such as Dan Martin. More importantly it undermines belief in rider reformation. many will say "once a doper always a doper"0 -
I can imagine even Sir Dave allowed himself an eyebrow raise for a milli-second at JV's predicament. Sky's no tolerance approach was made out to be frumpy and Victorian in comparison to Garmin's truth and reconciliation approach. JV appeared too cool for school and it may have ended up like one of those 70's social experiments where you educate problem kids by treating them like adults. Unfortunately one of those kids may have burnt the school down.
I think that is why some people are taking so much glee from JV's situation. Unfortunately it puts the boot into another good team and may threaten its survival and the short term future of some brilliant riders such as Dan Martin. More importantly it undermines belief in rider reformation. many will say "once a doper always a doper"
I suppose the zero tolerance approach grows in stature...basically if anything from anytime comes to light you are out. "we will take you at your word but be warned"...etc.
as time passes the old guard is cycled through the system there is less need to bridge between the two worlds with reformed characters.
this is harsh on genuinely contrite second chancers I guess... but is it fair to be hard on always been clean riders by association."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I can imagine even Sir Dave allowed himself an eyebrow raise for a milli-second at JV's predicament. Sky's no tolerance approach was made out to be frumpy and Victorian in comparison to Garmin's truth and reconciliation approach. JV appeared too cool for school and it may have ended up like one of those 70's social experiments where you educate problem kids by treating them like adults. Unfortunately one of those kids may have burnt the school down.
I think that is why some people are taking so much glee from JV's situation. Unfortunately it puts the boot into another good team and may threaten its survival and the short term future of some brilliant riders such as Dan Martin. More importantly it undermines belief in rider reformation. many will say "once a doper always a doper"
I suppose the zero tolerance approach grows in stature...basically if anything from anytime comes to light you are out. "we will take you at your word but be warned"...etc.
as time passes the old guard is cycled through the system there is less need to bridge between the two worlds with reformed characters.
this is harsh on genuinely contrite second chancers I guess... but is it fair to be hard on always been clean riders by association.
Good point, innocents suffering along with those trying to make a genuine fist of reform.0 -
2003 throwback
Contador is the Greatest0 -
I can imagine even Sir Dave allowed himself an eyebrow raise for a milli-second at JV's predicament. Sky's no tolerance approach was made out to be frumpy and Victorian in comparison to Garmin's truth and reconciliation approach. JV appeared too cool for school and it may have ended up like one of those 70's social experiments where you educate problem kids by treating them like adults. Unfortunately one of those kids may have burnt the school down.
I think that is why some people are taking so much glee from JV's situation. Unfortunately it puts the boot into another good team and may threaten its survival and the short term future of some brilliant riders such as Dan Martin. More importantly it undermines belief in rider reformation. many will say "once a doper always a doper"
sky did well to come out of the JTL saga so well. Most people just looking at his results from afar would have said it looked dodgey. Sky should have done more testing to get a better baseline.Even with Skys zero tolerance approach they still had a few slip the net who have since moved on.0 -
Interesting bit on the new testosterone test USADA are using. I bet they've been waiting a while to roll out that blurb.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/the-test-that-caught-tom-danielson_381086"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19676840#p19676840]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Interesting bit on the new testosterone test USADA are using. I bet they've been waiting a while to roll out that blurb.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/the-test-that-caught-tom-danielson_381086
interesting stuff that. So the presence is unequivocal, Danielson's defence rests entirely on how it got there. Cue Operation Chimera/Steak/Booze Binge i]insert your favourite doping excuse here[/i0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19676840#p19676840]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Interesting bit on the new testosterone test USADA are using. I bet they've been waiting a while to roll out that blurb.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/the-test-that-caught-tom-danielson_381086
interesting stuff that. So the presence is unequivocal, Danielson's defence rests entirely on how it got there. Cue Operation Chimera/Steak/Booze Binge i]insert your favourite doping excuse here[/i
Shouldn't matter. The crime is having it there, not how it got there.
Mick Rogers and Daryl Impey, I know... but I think this one will stick.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19676840#p19676840]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Interesting bit on the new testosterone test USADA are using. I bet they've been waiting a while to roll out that blurb.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/the-test-that-caught-tom-danielson_381086
interesting stuff that. So the presence is unequivocal, Danielson's defence rests entirely on how it got there. Cue Operation Chimera/Steak/Booze Binge i]insert your favourite doping excuse here[/i
Shouldn't matter. The crime is having it there, not how it got there.
Mick Rogers and Daryl Impey, I know... but I think this one will stick.
Yes well let's see how this pans out. Strict liability in doping offences does itself have a chequered past.
Part of the problem, as that article points out, is how fine the tolerances are these days. Currently you could probably sit at the same table as Ricardo Ricco and test positive afterwards such is the sensitivity of detection.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19676840#p19676840]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Interesting bit on the new testosterone test USADA are using. I bet they've been waiting a while to roll out that blurb.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/the-test-that-caught-tom-danielson_381086
interesting stuff that. So the presence is unequivocal, Danielson's defence rests entirely on how it got there. Cue Operation Chimera/Steak/Booze Binge i]insert your favourite doping excuse here[/i
Shouldn't matter. The crime is having it there, not how it got there.
Mick Rogers and Daryl Impey, I know... but I think this one will stick.
I love the Impey story... can you imagine the sigh of relief he breathed when they managed to trace that back to the previous customer?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19676840#p19676840]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Interesting bit on the new testosterone test USADA are using. I bet they've been waiting a while to roll out that blurb.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/the-test-that-caught-tom-danielson_381086
interesting stuff that. So the presence is unequivocal, Danielson's defence rests entirely on how it got there. Cue Operation Chimera/Steak/Booze Binge i]insert your favourite doping excuse here[/i
Shouldn't matter. The crime is having it there, not how it got there.
Mick Rogers and Daryl Impey, I know... but I think this one will stick.
Yes well let's see how this pans out. Strict liability in doping offences does itself have a chequered past.
Part of the problem, as that article points out, is how fine the tolerances are these days. Currently you could probably sit at the same table as Ricardo Ricco and test positive afterwards such is the sensitivity of detection.
Tell that to the punters of the Livorno Maccy D's
Back to Tommy D. I think there's a chance USADA were targeting him. There may be other evidence they have that will support intent to dope. Guess we'll see in due course.0 -
Have we had the B sample yet?
Yes, I have the results :P
Nah. Can take several weeks. Athlete can exercise right to be present, lawyers, AD officials, lab officials - loadsa scheduling - all that kind of stuff.0 -
Have we had the B sample yet?
What he said."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Jeese, for a second I though this was a new thread and it was Tom Dumoulin! phew0
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I really dislike this thread title as I think of another Tom D when I first see it!
INRNG asked this yesterday, not specifically Danielson but there are a number of other B samples outstanding as well:Where are the B-samples? New of Lloyd Mondory’s A-sample positive came up in Paris-Nice and there’s still no news on his B-sample. It’s the same for Luca Paolini’s cocaine A-sample story in the Tour de France. Ditto Katusha’s Gianpaolo Caruso and Davide Appollonio, both EPO cases. It seems EPO tests are delicate, especially if trying to catch those using microdoses so a delay is inevitable but still, Mondory’s case is now over 200 days old and there’s no news on the B-sample or any resolution to the case. So are these cases slow or borderline?
Who the f knows seems to be the answer at the moment...0 -
I'm still in the US at the moment. Couple of mutterings amongst the cycling crowd here of talk that he may be getting away with it on some technicality0
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Good to see FF is still capable of causing trouble even though he is no longer with us.
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ICYMI, confused piece on Tommy D... http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/11/news/the-confusing-case-of-tom-danielson_388807
Vaughters got a bit hot under the collar on twitter. For someone pushing transparency he does obfuscation very well.0 -
I think the revelation from that article is that Danielson chose to have Levi Leipheimer as his coach. There's not much that surprises me in pro cycling, but that really was a wtf moment.0
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I think the revelation from that article is that Danielson chose to have Levi Leipheimer as his coach. There's not much that surprises me in pro cycling, but that really was a wtf moment.
Is it really any different to David Millar coaching Hesjedal last year? He's not evil, he's just a guy who doped and lied about it. Like about 90% of other pro cyclists of his era. I'm sure in a 15 year pro career he gained some insight into training methods."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Tom D isn't renowned for his intelligence though is he. Part of the reason he got Leipheimer involved perhaps?
He should do the right thing and retire tbh.0
