Are sky clean or not?
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My point exactly. Jerry is posting ill thought out bollox.
It's possible that Froome is doping, but it's far from likely
The French anti Doping Authority also proved that all the dope tests can be gotten around; prior to the Tour. Also the top Teams have all the best Quacks working for them and are ahead of the game of Cookson et al (if he's not been bought like our David Walsh- The Times Journalist) (The Times being owned by Murdock who also owns Team Sky. Yay!
If I'm the best doctor, or even the best sports doctor, or even the best doping doctor, why do I want to work in cycling for no money and months away from home every year when I could take my skills to any football club or American sports franchise?
Also, why is Walsh bought off? Because he uses evidence to reach a different conclusion to you?"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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My point exactly. Jerry is posting ill thought out bollox.
It's possible that Froome is doping, but it's far from likely
I just cringe when people think that doping isn't still here in a big way. I argued for years in around 2005 about LA being a very suspicious rider and I got my butt kicked for saying that too. :?
Here's a post from 2007 I started; same flat earth lot replied then too. Duh!
viewtopic.php?f=40021&t=12580624&hilit=armstrong
PS- I think I've re read some of my blurbs and I must have been writing late at night or something.
If you start from a position of assuming that all successful pro cyclists must be doping then catching Lance Armstrong wasn't exactly difficult was it?
Can you post links to where you "outed" Riis, Contador, Valverde, Virenque, Ullrich, Millar, Vinokourov......?0 -
Yes jerry, none of us ever ride our bikes either, it's just you :roll:
Will someone please introduce jerry to Joel?jerry3571 wrote:I just cringe when people think that doping isn't still here in a big way
Go on then..who's Joel?
Sorry to not be an armchair cyclist as I am out on the road a fair bit.
Anyway, Joel is another poster here who is also very strongly of the opinion that doping is still widespread in the current peloton. So you both probably share very similar opinions, although I get the impression even he is doubtful that Sky are running a USP-style doping program.0 -
Yes jerry, none of us ever ride our bikes either, it's just you :roll:
Will someone please introduce jerry to Joel?jerry3571 wrote:I just cringe when people think that doping isn't still here in a big way
Go on then..who's Joel?
Sorry to not be an armchair cyclist as I am out on the road a fair bit.
Anyway, Joel is another poster here who is also very strongly of the opinion that doping is still widespread in the current peloton. So you both probably share very similar opinions, although I get the impression even he is doubtful that Sky are running a USP-style doping program.
I don't think any teams are running a doping program, but I also think there are characters/teams who turn a blind eye (at least). Sky aren't one of those teams and from everything I've seen, seem to be at the top of cleanliness (although whether everything they do is ethical is probably a different conversation entirely).
But the testing still has large flaws (less so with nighttime testing) that I'm pretty sure are being circumnavigated by a good number of riders. Performances from riders such as Horner or Zakarin suggest to me that it is still too easy.0 -
My point exactly. Jerry is posting ill thought out bollox.
It's possible that Froome is doping, but it's far from likely
I argued for years in around 2005 about LA being a very suspicious rider
Wow you obvious powers of being able pick out the dopers are clear from this! Arguing that Armstrong cheated in 2005 that must've taken something special. I don't think anyone had any idea until he confessed? Clearly you know your onions!
According to the Muppets on this website, I was the first to call it. Not calling you guys Muppets. Yet. “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
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Come and get your dope Boys! Sup it up like Mummy's Milk.
“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
-Jacques Anquetil0 -
My point exactly. Jerry is posting ill thought out bollox.
It's possible that Froome is doping, but it's far from likely
I argued for years in around 2005 about LA being a very suspicious rider
Wow you obvious powers of being able pick out the dopers are clear from this! Arguing that Armstrong cheated in 2005 that must've taken something special. I don't think anyone had any idea until he confessed? Clearly you know your onions!
According to the Muppets on this website, I was the first to call it. Not calling you guys Muppets. Yet.
Anyhow, did you call it in 2005 on how LA got his ex team mates booked for doping offenses and how no one on his current Team didn't get booked? I somehow doubt it. I'm sure you were still singing along with the LA fanboys cheerleader team at that point. Muppet.“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving”- Albert Einstein
"You can't ride the Tour de France on mineral water."
-Jacques Anquetil0 -
Did you got banned from the clinic ? You seem even bellow that level.0
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The times up climbs have generally slipped back to levels from before the EPO era. I think this is a decent indicator that cycling is generally cleaner. Do you have any evidence to back up your belief that doping is still rife?
Yes jerry, none of us ever ride our bikes either, it's just you :roll:
Will someone please introduce jerry to Joel?jerry3571 wrote:I just cringe when people think that doping isn't still here in a big way
Go on then..who's Joel?
Sorry to not be an armchair cyclist as I am out on the road a fair bit.
Anyway, Joel is another poster here who is also very strongly of the opinion that doping is still widespread in the current peloton. So you both probably share very similar opinions, although I get the impression even he is doubtful that Sky are running a USP-style doping program.
I don't think any teams are running a doping program, but I also think there are characters/teams who turn a blind eye (at least). Sky aren't one of those teams and from everything I've seen, seem to be at the top of cleanliness (although whether everything they do is ethical is probably a different conversation entirely).
But the testing still has large flaws (less so with nighttime testing) that I'm pretty sure are being circumnavigated by a good number of riders. Performances from riders such as Horner or Zakarin suggest to me that it is still too easy.0 -
How has Walsh been bought by Murdoch? I believe he also worked for the Times when he was exposing dopers.My point exactly. Jerry is posting ill thought out bollox.
It's possible that Froome is doping, but it's far from likely
How the hell do you know what Froome is doing??
Doping has been with cycling for a 125 years. Google Choppy Warburton if you think I'm talking bollox. I've seen so many riders through the decades get busted and we seemed to have forgotten about Tommy Simpson who died through doping and scared a generation of potential UK pros from stepping over to the continent to ride. Time is a healer as they say.
Maybe try many of the books where an ex pro confesses all as some Holiday reading? There's too many to choose from.
The French anti Doping Authority also proved that all the dope tests can be gotten around; prior to the Tour. Also the top Teams have all the best Quacks working for them and are ahead of the game of Cookson et al (if he's not been bought like our David Walsh- The Times Journalist) (The Times being owned by Murdock who also owns Team Sky. Yay!
Gianni Savio's rider has just got busted for a drug not yet out of it's final human trials so how the hell did his rider get his hands on a new EPO promoting drug? The 2nd Division Team Androni Giocattoli-Sidermec has been sidelined.
I also googled about Power Meters and some can be calibrated to adjust the figures. I assume it's a bit like a Bathroom Scales where you can re zero the scales. I think I read this stuff in Cycling news or somewhere. Also the oval chainrings can alter power readings too.
I just cringe when people think that doping isn't still here in a big way. I argued for years in around 2005 about LA being a very suspicious rider and I got my butt kicked for saying that too. :?
Here's a post from 2007 I started; same flat earth lot replied then too. Duh!
viewtopic.php?f=40021&t=12580624&hilit=armstrong
PS- I think I've re read some of my blurbs and I must have been writing late at night or something.
BTW You should get yourself up to speed on Cookson/Sky conspiracy stories.0 -
Alright guys.
No need to call names.
Certainly need to calm down, and be weary of being libellous. Especially you Jerry.
It's just a forum. No one actually cares what you think.0 -
The times up climbs have generally slipped back to levels from before the EPO era. I think this is a decent indicator that cycling is generally cleaner. Do you have any evidence to back up your belief that doping is still rife?
Yes jerry, none of us ever ride our bikes either, it's just you :roll:
Will someone please introduce jerry to Joel?jerry3571 wrote:I just cringe when people think that doping isn't still here in a big way
Go on then..who's Joel?
Sorry to not be an armchair cyclist as I am out on the road a fair bit.
Anyway, Joel is another poster here who is also very strongly of the opinion that doping is still widespread in the current peloton. So you both probably share very similar opinions, although I get the impression even he is doubtful that Sky are running a USP-style doping program.
I don't think any teams are running a doping program, but I also think there are characters/teams who turn a blind eye (at least). Sky aren't one of those teams and from everything I've seen, seem to be at the top of cleanliness (although whether everything they do is ethical is probably a different conversation entirely).
But the testing still has large flaws (less so with nighttime testing) that I'm pretty sure are being circumnavigated by a good number of riders. Performances from riders such as Horner or Zakarin suggest to me that it is still too easy.
Only that the testing is still easily circumnavigated, by all accounts. It's pretty difficult to get busted if you know what you're doing but plenty still do get busted. There are also very odd performances, Horner and Zakarin come to mind as examples, and yet they haven't flagged anything that we know of yet, although I would imagine they are on the suspicious list.0 -
Chris Froome (Team Sky) has been undergoing physiological tests at the GlaxoSmithKline Human Performance Lab as part of his bid to respond to the innuendo that greeted his performances during his Tour de France victory last month. Froome, who raced at the Etten-Leur critérium on Sunday, posted a short video of himself at the London-based office on his Twitter and Instagram accounts.
After speculation surrounding some of Froome’s displays during the Tour, he told reporters that he would subject himself to independent physiological testing to prove his innocence. The team also released Froome’s data from his stage-winning ride at La Pierre Saint-Martin on stage 10. Monday's tests will give the outline for further testing later in the season.
"What haven't I done? I've tried to be as much as a spokesman as I can for clean cycling," Froome said at the time. "I've spoken to the CIRC, I've made suggestions to the governing body to implement things like nighttime testing, I've pointed out when I thought there wasn't enough testing, cases like Tenerife. What else is a clean rider supposed to do?"
Team Sky have not announced a timescale for the testing, although this will be his only round of testing ahead of the Vuelta a España. Froome is set to travel to Marbella this coming Wednesday ahead of the start. He is bidding to become the first Tour de France champion to go on and win the Vuelta later in the same year, and only the third rider history to win the Tour and Vuelta in the same season.
The eight riders that will support Froome at the Vuelta were announced on Monday morning, with Geraint Thomas and Nicolas Roche the only other members of the Tour team to double up.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-begins-physiological-testing-ahead-of-vuelta-a-espaa/0 -
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People are already complaining about that...
Another Sports "scientist" chimed in saying that their way of getting the maximum performance out of a male athlete is to send in a pretty lady for the last 5%...Amazing how that last 5% turns out to actually be more like the last 10% when you do that We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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At what point did 'we' jump the shark?
Best thing to do is play @JournalVelo Twitterati bingo
Reactions that match your bingo card, examples being 'fake test', 'why didnt they measure his inside leg?', 'whatever Dr Tucker says', 'so low he must be on the gear' and 'so high its not normal', might win you a leg of lamb0 -
Alright, stupid question, but I haven't seen it clearly explained what we hope to see from the test results that could help to show he is or isn't doping? Can any enlighten me?0
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Nope - Sky will produce an entirely plausible, if very good, set of test results. People who don't like Sky (e.g. Snape, Digger, Kimmage, The clinic) or gain personally from saying that cyclists are dirty (e.g. Vayer, Tucker) will say they re nonsense and say he is doping anyway.
For the rest of us it will be interesting to see the results of a modern day GT Contender but in terms of quietening the #Haterz this is a waste of time.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Nope - Sky will produce an entirely plausible, if very good, set of test results. People who don't like Sky (e.g. Snape, Digger, Kimmage, The clinic) or gain personally from saying that cyclists are dirty (e.g. Vayer, Tucker) will say they re nonsense and say he is doping anyway.
For the rest of us it will be interesting to see the results of a modern day GT Contender but in terms of quietening the #Haterz this is a waste of time.
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Too many people in the room negates the test
How do we know it's actually at GSK?
How do we know this isn't a greenscreen at Sky?
GSK are an evil company and thus will hide anything bad
This is a way of Froome having an average Vuelta and then showing these results to prove he's human and deflect from his Tour doping
This is a way of Sky hiding doping in next year's Tour
And so on.....Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
The Clinic is excellent today.0
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The Clinic is excellent today.
Are you sure you disinfected after going there? *anxious face*0 -
The Clinic is excellent today.
Are we even sure these tests are being carried out in a GSK lab? It doesn't look very lab like in the photos, also He doesn't have many wires connected to him? Surely these photos are faked.
This was my favourite argument.0 -
The Clinic is excellent today.
Are we even sure these tests are being carried out in a GSK lab? It doesn't look very lab like in the photos, also He doesn't have many wires connected to him? Surely these photos are faked.
This was my favourite argument.
I myself quite enjoyed the argument that he'll not go hard at the Vuelta to allay peoples suspicions. Of course, being the only GC contender that is ethically challenged enough to consider doping, that is the only way he could lose."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19681983#p19681983]Richmond Racer 2[/url] wrote:At what point did 'we' jump the shark?
Best thing to do is play @JournalVelo Twitterati bingo
Reactions that match your bingo card, examples being 'fake test', 'why didnt they measure his inside leg?', 'whatever Dr Tucker says', 'so low he must be on the gear' and 'so high its not normal', might win you a leg of lamb
Needs a "Was obviously soft-pedalling to through the sheeple of the scent" on there somewhere.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Long levers ,muscle, no fat, born and trains at altitude and a large pump in his chest. It's pretty obvious why he is better than the guy in white...
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682021#p19682021]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:The Clinic is excellent today.
Are we even sure these tests are being carried out in a GSK lab? It doesn't look very lab like in the photos, also He doesn't have many wires connected to him? Surely these photos are faked.
This was my favourite argument.
I myself quite enjoyed the argument that he'll not go hard at the Vuelta to allay peoples suspicions. Of course, being the only GC contender that is ethically challenged enough to consider doping, that is the only way he could lose.
My favourite is linking the fact that the testing is at GSK to gene doping drugs that GSK has developed.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682021#p19682021]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:The Clinic is excellent today.
Are we even sure these tests are being carried out in a GSK lab? It doesn't look very lab like in the photos, also He doesn't have many wires connected to him? Surely these photos are faked.
This was my favourite argument.
I myself quite enjoyed the argument that he'll not go hard at the Vuelta to allay peoples suspicions. Of course, being the only GC contender that is ethically challenged enough to consider doping, that is the only way he could lose.
My favourite is linking the fact that the testing is at GSK to gene doping drugs that GSK has developed.
Ok. That just made me laugh. A lot.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682021#p19682021]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:The Clinic is excellent today.
Are we even sure these tests are being carried out in a GSK lab? It doesn't look very lab like in the photos, also He doesn't have many wires connected to him? Surely these photos are faked.
This was my favourite argument.
I myself quite enjoyed the argument that he'll not go hard at the Vuelta to allay peoples suspicions. Of course, being the only GC contender that is ethically challenged enough to consider doping, that is the only way he could lose.
My favourite is linking the fact that the testing is at GSK to gene doping drugs that GSK has developed.
It was the obvious response to him testing in a drug manufacturing company's lab.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19682021#p19682021]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:The Clinic is excellent today.
Are we even sure these tests are being carried out in a GSK lab? It doesn't look very lab like in the photos, also He doesn't have many wires connected to him? Surely these photos are faked.
This was my favourite argument.
I myself quite enjoyed the argument that he'll not go hard at the Vuelta to allay peoples suspicions. Of course, being the only GC contender that is ethically challenged enough to consider doping, that is the only way he could lose.
My favourite is linking the fact that the testing is at GSK to gene doping drugs that GSK has developed.
It was the obvious response to him testing in a drug manufacturing company's lab.
Ridiculous, really, when Tucker and Vayer could have used a perfectly decent gym going free in the school holidays0
