Are sky clean or not?
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...some past employees who might have a real grudge against Sky to be ready to tell anyone who would listen about the ins and outs within Sky, warts and all
I hadn't considered that before. but, given SDBs well documented sacking of anyone he thought wan't giving 100% I bet there are tens, if not a hundred, people out there who have a very real reason to bear a grudge. The fact not a single one has come forward with any allegations is very telling.
Leinders could make millions.0 -
All considered evidence points to Sky being clean.
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David Walsh, Armstrong's nemesis, said that within three years of Lance's rise to prominence he heard from six of his team mates that Armstrong used banned drugs and techniques. Three years into Froome's high performances, David Walsh has stated that nobody, including those that Sky has fired, have said anything against Froome.
I find that interesting on a few levels. LA, if my memory is correct, was not averse to a bit of litigation to shut down discussions of his doping, his team too I think. Despite that there were 6 team mates talking to David Walsh about him. Fast forward to modern times, Froome and team Sky. Are they as litigious? Are they more powerful or dominant in the sport than LA and his team were back then such that silence is more guaranteed? If not then why not some sniff from sacked Sky personnel or riders who have been let go? It is not evidence of being clean as that is not possible to produce but IMHO it helps to point in a certain direction.
Still it is easier to sling mud than clean it off sometimes. Hence the French physiologist is able to produce some calculated guesswork which still trumps the actual figures in the French public's mind. Indeed in a lot of the public's mind. I will not follow that but will believe them to be clean until I see a positive test or the French Police raid overnight during the Tour one year. If that happens then I will change my mind and believe it.0 -
I reckon that if it wasn't for the landslide which ruled out the use of the Galibier and the Telegraphe, Quintana could have overhauled Froome over what would have been three climbs on the penultimate day.
Movistar were definitely on the ascendancy, whereas Sky were beginning to suffer. G hit the wall the day before L'Alpe d'Huez, and was still short of energy that day. Porte had been ill, perhaps as a result of being punched on stage 10, and was still recovering. As much as Nicholas Roche and Wouter Poels tried, they were no replacement for G and Porte in the mountains.To err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0 -
Leinders could make millions.
Could? It's hard to eat corn on the cob with no fronting teeth....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Were Sky really dominant? Sure they won over all but they were second in the team classification almost an hour behind Movistar. Tinkoff were then about 3 minutes behind them, Astana a further 13 and MTN a further 2.
In the top 50 they had 4 riders, including the winner. Movistar had 4, 2 on the podium. Tinkoff had 5 including their sprinter Sagan. Astana had 4. Ag2r, Europe Car, also had 4 and MTN had 3 for some perspective.
People think Sky are dominant because they often ride on the front and are very visible. They aren't dominant, well no more than other teams.0 -
A truly conceited article in Lemonde by Vayer. Mind you , take a look at Quintana's figure from the Alpe
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Ftour-de-france%2Farticle%2F2015%2F07%2F27%2Fle-moteur-du-maillot-jaune-bride-apres-les-pyrenees_4700455_1616918.html0 -
A truly conceited article in Lemonde by Vayer. Mind you , take a look at Quintana's figure from the Alpe
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Ftour-de-france%2Farticle%2F2015%2F07%2F27%2Fle-moteur-du-maillot-jaune-bride-apres-les-pyrenees_4700455_1616918.html
'He sickened and stunned his opponents to the famous Armstrong trainer Michele Ferrari.....'
Get in the bin, both of them.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
A truly conceited article in Lemonde by Vayer. Mind you , take a look at Quintana's figure from the Alpe
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Ftour-de-france%2Farticle%2F2015%2F07%2F27%2Fle-moteur-du-maillot-jaune-bride-apres-les-pyrenees_4700455_1616918.htmlChris Froome, he killed the Tour the day of the national holiday, the Pierre-Saint-Martin. As he had done in 2013 in Ax and Mount Ventoux. He sickened and stunned his opponents to the famous Armstrong trainer Michele Ferrari, who wondered if he had not the genes of "pronghorn antelope."
That's the main problem for Antoine. No respect. Also contains a fantastic "scientistic Kerrison" dig.
(Google translate really struggles with French. Vive la difference.)...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Note how Froome's Tour average is less than last years winner, substantially less than Contador's 2009 win,
and less than Quintana's. In other words, even using Vayer's flawed methodology Froome's performance is right on the borderline of what he himself considers believable.0 -
A truly conceited article in Lemonde by Vayer. Mind you , take a look at Quintana's figure from the Alpe
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Ftour-de-france%2Farticle%2F2015%2F07%2F27%2Fle-moteur-du-maillot-jaune-bride-apres-les-pyrenees_4700455_1616918.html
So is he suggesting Froome is using a motor rather than doping? Or is it meant to be both?Froome will not win a third edition of the Tour de France if his equipment is checked at the right time in the right place.0 -
Lemonde are on thin ice. They have been taken to court before and lost
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2008-01-15-572480161_x.htm
Sky or Movistar would almost certainly win in the UK courts. The Lemonde print edition is circulated in London.0 -
Chris Froome's aggregate time to complete the course of 84 hours and 46 minutes is the second quickest time to complete the Tour since Lance Armstrong. The quickest since Lance was Froome in 2013 with 83'56"
It's also quicker than Indurain, Ulrich, Riis or Pantani“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Chris Froome's aggregate time to complete the course of 84 hours and 46 minutes is the second quickest time to complete the Tour since Lance Armstrong. The quickest since Lance was Froome in 2013 with 83'56"
It's also quicker than Indurain, Ulrich, Riis or Pantani
Unless we also know distances, climbing, wind/weather conditions etc etc that doesn't mean much in isolation.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
I travelled 100m faster than Usain Bolt the other day.....I happened to be in a car at the time but hey, lets not let these small details get in the way of my world record eh!Chris Froome's aggregate time to complete the course of 84 hours and 46 minutes is the second quickest time to complete the Tour since Lance Armstrong. The quickest since Lance was Froome in 2013 with 83'56"
It's also quicker than Indurain, Ulrich, Riis or Pantani0 -
Chris Froome's average speed was slower than Nibali's last year and slower than his 2013 win and Wiggins in 2012
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That could me more cash is king there. We've all heard the rumours about Fuentes and Spanish football.Lemonde are on thin ice. They have been taken to court before and lost
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2008-01-15-572480161_x.htm
Sky or Movistar would almost certainly win in the UK courts. The Lemonde print edition is circulated in London.0 -
Chris Froome's aggregate time to complete the course of 84 hours and 46 minutes is the second quickest time to complete the Tour since Lance Armstrong. The quickest since Lance was Froome in 2013 with 83'56"
It's also quicker than Indurain, Ulrich, Riis or Pantanisilverpigeon wrote:Chris Froome's average speed was slower than Nibali's last year and slower than his 2013 win and Wiggins in 2012
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you, my friend, have been pwned0 -
I actually think the fact that sky/froome haven't been taking everyone to court has been good and clearly separates them from Armstrong - so in some ways I'd prefer it if Sky just continued the way they have done in that regard.Lemonde are on thin ice. They have been taken to court before and lost
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2008-01-15-572480161_x.htm
Sky or Movistar would almost certainly win in the UK courts. The Lemonde print edition is circulated in London.0 -
Sky don't take people to court = "they've got something to hide and don't want it to come out"
I actually think the fact that sky/froome haven't been taking everyone to court has been good and clearly separates them from Armstrong - so in some ways I'd prefer it if Sky just continued the way they have done in that regard.Lemonde are on thin ice. They have been taken to court before and lost
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2008-01-15-572480161_x.htm
Sky or Movistar would almost certainly win in the UK courts. The Lemonde print edition is circulated in London.
Sky take people to court = "Look at Sky using their massive corporate resources to bully those brave souls dedicated to exposing their evil machinations! Sky are the worst."
On balance I can see why they wouldn't bother going down the legal route.0 -
Chris Froome's aggregate time to complete the course of 84 hours and 46 minutes is the second quickest time to complete the Tour since Lance Armstrong. The quickest since Lance was Froome in 2013 with 83'56"
It's also quicker than Indurain, Ulrich, Riis or Pantanisilverpigeon wrote:Chris Froome's average speed was slower than Nibali's last year and slower than his 2013 win and Wiggins in 2012
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you, my friend, have been pwned
And you, my friend, have missed the point by the width of France.0 -
Given there is absolutely nothing at all, in 6 years, with any substance at all about Sky doping...we need some extraordinary evidence.
Please post extraordinary evidence below. Please keep conjecture in your head.0 -
A truly conceited article in Lemonde by Vayer. Mind you , take a look at Quintana's figure from the Alpe
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lemonde.fr%2Ftour-de-france%2Farticle%2F2015%2F07%2F27%2Fle-moteur-du-maillot-jaune-bride-apres-les-pyrenees_4700455_1616918.html
So is he suggesting Froome is using a motor rather than doping? Or is it meant to be both?Froome will not win a third edition of the Tour de France if his equipment is checked at the right time in the right place.
Maybe it's an attempt at humour Français ?0 -
I'm usually pretty easy going, but this Vayer/Sallet type lot are getting right on my tit.
If I was Froome, I'd tell them to stick their Tour de France right up their arses, and go and do the Giro and Vuelta next year. I know it's not all of France, but there's been enough of this to suggest it's a fairly antipathetic attitude the majority have.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Given there is absolutely nothing at all, in 56 pages, with any substance at all about Sky doping...Given there is absolutely nothing at all, in 6 years, with any substance at all about Sky doping...we need some extraordinary evidence.
Please post extraordinary evidence below. Please keep conjecture in your head.
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Given there is absolutely nothing at all, in 56 pages, with any substance at all about Sky doping...Given there is absolutely nothing at all, in 6 years, with any substance at all about Sky doping...we need some extraordinary evidence.
Please post extraordinary evidence below. Please keep conjecture in your head.
You're quite right. Nothing more than conjecture and opinion. Looking forward to someone with something however spurious, but based on a link, a bust, a motoman, an email to Stefano, Dave's missus dropping him off to meet Ricco in a McDonalds car park, anything really. That'll be a start.
EDIT: The only thing I can see at the moment is Servais Knaven that has anything.0 -
Well there is a 2nd positive for EPO in a month at Androni-Sidermec and the thread discussing that at the Asylum gets 15 posts. Meanwhile the thread on Sky continues to melt the internet.0
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Doping in cycling, the hook for Thought for The Day. Just believe, and there's no need for PEDs.
BBC out of it's shed....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
Finally....I was brave enough to check out "the other place".
I am now crying and rocking gently in a corner......
FFS.
The theories about them wanting to be able to say "told you so" are spot on.
The Hog even said "you mark my words"!
If any logician visited the forum, their heads would explode. It's a living, breathing repository of logical fallacies.0 -
Froome's transformation coincided with the removal of a superfluous kidney, scrubbing an immediate 500g prior to Vuelta 2011. It was transplanted to an appropriate host and he'll get it back, provided he keeps to the story.
How did I do?...a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
What is "the other place"? I feel like I need something to tip my sanity over the edge but do not know which place you mean.
PS my workplace is pushing me close to the edge but I need time off and the asylum is very attractive right now for a bit of time off!0
