TdF 2015 - Stage 4 - Seraing - Cambria ***Spoilers***
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No more Gc for Pinot, stage wins need to be his target now. He's capable of it...Pinot’s panic and subsequent meltdown were disappointing. Not an ideal characteristic in a GC rider.
That doesn’t moderate my amazement that these highly funded teams (even FDJ is rich compared to me) can’t reliably get a bicycle through a few cobbles with a flyweight rider perched on it.
He's still young, and he was talking after yesterday's stage about how he wasn't expecting today to go well. He's shown before that he's a nervous, fragile personality so he probably just needs to mature a bit and get used to the expectation and pressure that comes with being a second tier GC contender with genuine ambitions for the overall.
Agreed for this year. i was thinking of the future when I made that post though.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Can someone please post that to the post if the tour thread? Too much of a faff on an iPad on the bus. Especially with all the people looking at me having laughed up snot onto it....
Tis done.Correlation is not causation.0 -
He's 6.30 down - 5.00 or less down on most GC riders . He's not going to get on the podium obviously, but a top ten is certainly very realistic. And he's most likely to get a stage win hanging with the big boys and doing an attack which doesn't interest them. The KOM may come into his thoughts though.No more Gc for Pinot, stage wins need to be his target now. He's capable of it...
He was talking post stage about taking a packet and going for stages/kom. That might have been the disappointment and frustration talking though.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Everyone loves Tony Martin. No exceptions.
not me, sorry. I can't make peace with his bottom lip flapping around when he's riding
also, as a Wiggins fanboi, I've been cheering for the "other" guy too often
also, when watching the interviews I was reminded that his neck is way too skinny for his head
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I heard someone from the team say exactly the opposite - that Martin and Trentin have their brakes cabled up differently from most of the rest of the team, but the same as each other, which was a stroke of luck.
The brakes were apparently hooked up the opposite way from how he normally has them though!I thought that was fun. Too many of the strong classic guys riding for their GC guys for it to have split up all over the place, but was still fun.
Great to see Tony Martin so chuffed to get the yellow jersey. The "ON A TEAM MATE'S BIKE!!" comments always amuse me though, it's not as if his team mates ride around on tricycles.0 -
"He's on my bike!" That bit was fab.
are they driving using 'the force' amazing that they stay on the road never mind avoiding all the other team cars/motorbikes spectators and of course cyclists!!fay ce que voudres0 -
I heard someone from the team say exactly the opposite - that Martin and Trentin have their brakes cabled up differently from most of the rest of the team, but the same as each other, which was a stroke of luck.
The brakes were apparently hooked up the opposite way from how he normally has them though!I thought that was fun. Too many of the strong classic guys riding for their GC guys for it to have split up all over the place, but was still fun.
Great to see Tony Martin so chuffed to get the yellow jersey. The "ON A TEAM MATE'S BIKE!!" comments always amuse me though, it's not as if his team mates ride around on tricycles.
Brakes are either or arent they but it's possible that they have their Di2 set up differently. Maybe he meant something like that...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I heard someone from the team say exactly the opposite - that Martin and Trentin have their brakes cabled up differently from most of the rest of the team, but the same as each other, which was a stroke of luck.
The brakes were apparently hooked up the opposite way from how he normally has them though!I thought that was fun. Too many of the strong classic guys riding for their GC guys for it to have split up all over the place, but was still fun.
Great to see Tony Martin so chuffed to get the yellow jersey. The "ON A TEAM MATE'S BIKE!!" comments always amuse me though, it's not as if his team mates ride around on tricycles.
Brakes are either or arent they but it's possible that they have their Di2 set up differently. Maybe he meant something like that...
Most Euros (as I'm sure you know!) have their front brake on the left hand (beware this if you ever take your bike to be recabled), something to do with driving on the wrong side of the road. I can't imagine why you'd wire up your shifters the wrong way round though."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Yes, I prefer my brakes the Euro way
With Di2 you can now customise the buttons so you could have the buttons normally, both upper buttons shifting easier and vice versa or any combination you may consider - which when you consider the potential for satellite shifters can be numerousWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Yes, I prefer my brakes the Euro way
With Di2 you can now customise the buttons so you could have the buttons normally, both upper buttons shifting easier and vice versa or any combination you may consider - which when you consider the potential for satellite shifters can be numerous
Ah, I see! I'm a luddite, still on 2007 Record, so these things never occur to me.
As to the cables, I had a bad experience when I was racing in France and had my bike serviced so the British way for me all day long. I am very clear with my LBS about this.
Edit: I remember Roger Hammond saying once that you should always have your back brake cabled to your writing hand as you need to modulate it more (at least that's how I'm justifying sticking to my back brake on the left!). maybe this would explain the discrepancy in the QS cabling, despite them both being Euro Weenies."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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I doubt Tony had much use for his brakes from the moment he switched bikes.0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19644974#p19644974]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Yes, I prefer my brakes the Euro way
With Di2 you can now customise the buttons so you could have the buttons normally, both upper buttons shifting easier and vice versa or any combination you may consider - which when you consider the potential for satellite shifters can be numerous
Ah, I see! I'm a luddite, still on 2007 Record, so these things never occur to me.
As to the cables, I had a bad experience when I was racing in France and had my bike serviced so the British way for me all day long. I am very clear with my LBS about this.
Edit: I remember Roger Hammond saying once that you should always have your back brake cabled to your writing hand as you need to modulate it more (at least that's how I'm justifying sticking to my back brake on the left!). maybe this would explain the discrepancy in the QS cabling, despite them both being Euro Weenies.
Would make sense to me - that's the euro way. It's back to front from the motorbike way though which is the usual reason given for Britons (and it only is the british) running theirs the other way roundWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The brake thing is one of the quirks I love about British cycling culture growing up in total isolation for a few decades.
That and time trials that start at 6am on the busiest road you can find (I know, there's reasons!) and raffles at races. Or those prize givings where local businesses have stumped up the entire prize list in goods and services and you all go and pick something in finishing order."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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There was no organised chase after Martin because Cavendish was in the group and would likely have won a sprint. Cav staying up allowed Martin to win the stageCannondale Supersix / CAAD9 / Boardman 9.0 / Benotto 30000
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19644986#p19644986]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:The brake thing is one of the quirks I love about British cycling culture growing up in total isolation for a few decades.
That and time trials that start at 6am on the busiest road you can find (I know, there's reasons!) and raffles at races. Or those prize givings where local businesses have stumped up the entire prize list in goods and services and you all go and pick something in finishing order.
My favourite quirk (before my time but apparently it was the norm some years back) was at amateur TTs the prize winning riders had to claim their prizes as reimbursements for cycling related purchases so receipts had to be submitted.
Out of interest, does anyone know which way Aussies typically cable their brakes?0 -
No love for Bouhanni's ride? He did exceptionally to keep up with the big boys then sprint for a respectrable 5th. Also I really enjoyed EQS blocking for Martin in the last few corners
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There was no organised chase after Martin because Cavendish was in the group and would likely have won a sprint. Cav staying up allowed Martin to win the stage
Great point too! I'm not sure that was the main problem (TGA took too long to decide to chase - even if it was only 5 seconds) but it must have been in their heads. I suspect that TGA expected Froome to chase to defend the jersey too but obviously it rather suited Sky to let OPQS have itWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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No love for Bouhanni's ride? He did exceptionally to keep up with the big boys then sprint for a respectrable 5th. Also I really enjoyed EQS blocking for Martin in the last few corners
Haha, I must admit when I saw it on the results sheet I thought it was incorrect. I never saw him once...guess he rode the shadows well.Contador is the Greatest0 -
In case you missed it, Nibali got the most aggressive rider award, and rightly so.
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The motorbike standard is global so I really do like that we British have the front brake on the right side of the bars.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19644974#p19644974]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:Yes, I prefer my brakes the Euro way
With Di2 you can now customise the buttons so you could have the buttons normally, both upper buttons shifting easier and vice versa or any combination you may consider - which when you consider the potential for satellite shifters can be numerous
Ah, I see! I'm a luddite, still on 2007 Record, so these things never occur to me.
As to the cables, I had a bad experience when I was racing in France and had my bike serviced so the British way for me all day long. I am very clear with my LBS about this.
Edit: I remember Roger Hammond saying once that you should always have your back brake cabled to your writing hand as you need to modulate it more (at least that's how I'm justifying sticking to my back brake on the left!). maybe this would explain the discrepancy in the QS cabling, despite them both being Euro Weenies.
Would make sense to me - that's the euro way. It's back to front from the motorbike way though which is the usual reason given for Britons (and it only is the british) running theirs the other way roundYou only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
My understanding is it's a "safety" thing for newbs. It means if you're making a right hand turn (in the UK, so left hand turn on the continent) you are left using only the rear brake so you don't snatch at the front brake and put yourself over the handlebars.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19644986#p19644986]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:The brake thing is one of the quirks I love about British cycling culture growing up in total isolation for a few decades.
Hmm - just checked the Sheldon Brown article where my information comes from and it seems it's not as clear cut as that:
http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html#whichside0 -
Also pretty classy dealing with Gallopin getting in his wayIn case you missed it, Nibali got the most aggressive rider award, and rightly so.0 -
Liking the large gif size.
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as for right-front vs left-front brakesWould make sense to me - that's the euro way. It's back to front from the motorbike way though which is the usual reason given for Britons (and it only is the british) running theirs the other way round
... and the Australians and traditionally the Italians! (check some photos of Pantani)0 -
And the Irish apparently0
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as for right-front vs left-front brakesWould make sense to me - that's the euro way. It's back to front from the motorbike way though which is the usual reason given for Britons (and it only is the british) running theirs the other way round
... and the Australians and traditionally the Italians! (check some photos of Pantani)
Which would explain why Trentin and Martin's bikes were cabled up differently.
Full circle!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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My understanding is it's a "safety" thing for newbs. It means if you're making a right hand turn (in the UK, so left hand turn on the continent) you are left using only the rear brake so you don't snatch at the front brake and put yourself over the handlebars.[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19644986#p19644986]disgruntledgoat[/url] wrote:The brake thing is one of the quirks I love about British cycling culture growing up in total isolation for a few decades.
Hmm - just checked the Sheldon Brown article where my information comes from and it seems it's not as clear cut as that:
http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html#whichside
Nah, at the end of the day it's just what you prefer - which in 99% of cases means what you re you're used to, which in 90% of those cases means however the mechanic set your first bike up...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Anyone else daft enough to have different bikes with both setups? Gradually converting to all LHD as cables need replacing, but I find it's pretty easy to switch between bikes with different setups...0
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Can't imagine Tony Martin did much braking yesterday. Also, on a road bike it is rarely that important - it would be pretty impressive to either go over the handle bars or lock the rear wheel.0
