Mechanical Doping update

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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    I read that the other week and thought WTF.
    Last year they posted a clip of Poels riding up a mountain and managed to see things that weren't even in the clip !
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,100
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    Busted.
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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,005
    Here's the protoype

    220px-WallaceandGromitinTheWrongTrousers.jpg
  • jam1e
    jam1e Posts: 1,068
    edited July 2018
    FFS! One of the twitterers on the mechanical doping thread asks if there’s any published results of the scanned bikes - in the interests of transparency...

    WTAF do they expect these results to say other than “passed”? There’s hardly likely to be a smoking gun with details of how one rider’s bike failed but which wasn’t made public!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,157
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Here's the protoype

    220px-WallaceandGromitinTheWrongTrousers.jpg
    As used by Mo Farah. Some Hungarian bloke told me that. He said he sold them to him for one billion dollars.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    UCI commissaries using IR cameras alongside the bikes looking for motors on today's Tour stage
  • RonB
    RonB Posts: 3,984
    Movistar Battery packs need a little more finesse
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    Today UCI "inspected" 152 bikes and x-rayed 8, apparently
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 12,694
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Today UCI "inspected" 152 bikes and x-rayed 8, apparently
    But magic motors are invisible, no?
  • frisbee
    frisbee Posts: 691
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    UCI commissaries using IR cameras alongside the bikes looking for motors on today's Tour stage

    Won't they just pick up heating of bike parts by the sun?
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    Well the road and everything else will be subjected to the same solar heating. They were clearly doing it regardless.
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Those IR cameras are very sophisticated. They'd definitely highlight a motor if anyone was so stupid as to try.
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,091
    Still waiting for someone to advocate the use of glass bikes in the name of transparency.
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 12,694
    underlayunderlay wrote:
    Still waiting for someone to advocate the use of glass bikes in the name of transparency.
    Hat
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    orraloon wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Today UCI "inspected" 152 bikes and x-rayed 8, apparently
    But magic motors are invisible, no?

    Only if they're called Haimar Zubeldia.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
    Well thats cleared that up then.
  • larkim
    larkim Posts: 2,474
    Do we really think mm1 believes their own posts?
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,786
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
    Energy = heat, I don’t think there’s any way round it
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    inseine wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
    Energy = heat, I don’t think there’s any way round it
    Well not exactly, the heat is a byproduct of an inefficient system. Like lightbulb are designed to emit light but also emit a bit of heat (much less since we moved to LED)
    But yeah it's hard to see what motors don't give out any heat... and they are also x raying bikes, which would be game over.
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    larkim wrote:
    Do we really think mm1 believes their own posts?

    You’d better do.
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    inseine wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
    Energy = heat, I don’t think there’s any way round it
    Well not exactly, the heat is a byproduct of an inefficient system. Like lightbulb are designed to emit light but also emit a bit of heat (much less since we moved to LED)
    But yeah it's hard to see what motors don't give out any heat... and they are also x raying bikes, which would be game over.

    Only X raying the bike that makes it to the finish.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,470
    Sky have super special invisible, weightless cooling systems so the motor doesn't show up. They come from the same factory as the invisibly, ultra thin biomechanical pistons they have inside their shorts.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,470
    And the bikes go invisible once the stage finishes so the testers cant find them.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.


    Bolllllloxxxxx
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,196
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    inseine wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
    Energy = heat, I don’t think there’s any way round it
    Well not exactly, the heat is a byproduct of an inefficient system. Like lightbulb are designed to emit light but also emit a bit of heat (much less since we moved to LED)
    But yeah it's hard to see what motors don't give out any heat... and they are also x raying bikes, which would be game over.

    Only X raying the bike that makes it to the finish.
    Whatever man. You clearly want to see something so there's nothing i can say to convince you.

    There's no reason the UCI couldn't take bikes which had been changed mid stage. And surely they would want the motor for the final climb on MTFs (and plenty of GC riders bikes were tested after MTFs in the Giro).
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    inseine wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
    Energy = heat, I don’t think there’s any way round it
    Well not exactly, the heat is a byproduct of an inefficient system. Like lightbulb are designed to emit light but also emit a bit of heat (much less since we moved to LED)
    But yeah it's hard to see what motors don't give out any heat... and they are also x raying bikes, which would be game over.

    Only X raying the bike that makes it to the finish.
    Whatever man. You clearly want to see something so there's nothing i can say to convince you.

    There's no reason the UCI couldn't take bikes which had been changed mid stage. And surely they would want the motor for the final climb on MTFs (and plenty of GC riders bikes were tested after MTFs in the Giro).

    To be fair, I don’t really care. There are ways around the system, apply the ‘duck test’ if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are, it’s a duck. I really don’t like Sky, I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them. Only time will tell, if it’s ‘tin hat’ tine or not.
  • mouth
    mouth Posts: 1,195
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    inseine wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
    Energy = heat, I don’t think there’s any way round it
    Well not exactly, the heat is a byproduct of an inefficient system. Like lightbulb are designed to emit light but also emit a bit of heat (much less since we moved to LED)
    But yeah it's hard to see what motors don't give out any heat... and they are also x raying bikes, which would be game over.

    Only X raying the bike that makes it to the finish.
    Whatever man. You clearly want to see something so there's nothing i can say to convince you.

    There's no reason the UCI couldn't take bikes which had been changed mid stage. And surely they would want the motor for the final climb on MTFs (and plenty of GC riders bikes were tested after MTFs in the Giro).

    To be fair, I don’t really care. There are ways around the system, apply the ‘duck test’ if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are, it’s a duck. I really don’t like Sky, I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them. Only time will tell, if it’s ‘tin hat’ tine or not.

    Do you know something we don't? Like you have the same data provider?
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  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    inseine wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
    Energy = heat, I don’t think there’s any way round it
    Well not exactly, the heat is a byproduct of an inefficient system. Like lightbulb are designed to emit light but also emit a bit of heat (much less since we moved to LED)
    But yeah it's hard to see what motors don't give out any heat... and they are also x raying bikes, which would be game over.

    Only X raying the bike that makes it to the finish.
    Whatever man. You clearly want to see something so there's nothing i can say to convince you.

    There's no reason the UCI couldn't take bikes which had been changed mid stage. And surely they would want the motor for the final climb on MTFs (and plenty of GC riders bikes were tested after MTFs in the Giro).

    To be fair, I don’t really care. There are ways around the system, apply the ‘duck test’ if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are, it’s a duck. I really don’t like Sky, I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them. Only time will tell, if it’s ‘tin hat’ tine or not.
    OK. I'll play along. If *what* looks like a duck and quacks like a duck?
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  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    Cruff wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    inseine wrote:
    Milemuncher1 wrote:
    There are some systems in existence that don’t use something that emits enough heat to look ‘unusual’ ( a form of kinetic energy recovery system ) if anyone / team, has one on their bike(s) Id be amazed, but stranger things have happened at sea, especially if a shed load of money is available.
    Energy = heat, I don’t think there’s any way round it
    Well not exactly, the heat is a byproduct of an inefficient system. Like lightbulb are designed to emit light but also emit a bit of heat (much less since we moved to LED)
    But yeah it's hard to see what motors don't give out any heat... and they are also x raying bikes, which would be game over.

    Only X raying the bike that makes it to the finish.
    Whatever man. You clearly want to see something so there's nothing i can say to convince you.

    There's no reason the UCI couldn't take bikes which had been changed mid stage. And surely they would want the motor for the final climb on MTFs (and plenty of GC riders bikes were tested after MTFs in the Giro).

    To be fair, I don’t really care. There are ways around the system, apply the ‘duck test’ if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are, it’s a duck. I really don’t like Sky, I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them. Only time will tell, if it’s ‘tin hat’ tine or not.
    OK. I'll play along. If *what* looks like a duck and quacks like a duck?

    A very competent XC rider, who isn’t a great road rider, suddenly starts skinning world champions, on the road. He’s physically / biologically ‘unusual’, but not that unusual. The only thing that counts in his favour, is that the other riders, are in teams, that are a relative shower of Shit.

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