Mechanical Doping update
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Phil Gaimon is the Secret Pro“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Isn't the secret Pro an amalgam of riders ?0
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iainf72 wrote:awavey wrote:but then it seems a click baity thing to promote a book with...unless the whole book is full of anecdotal rumours he's heard from his career in cycling, why pick just that one he heard out for consideration, because without evidence or a lead or some proof, its a total dead end
It's not the only one in the book. There are loads.
Straight up accuses the Schlecks of being rubbish because they stopped using EPO, for example.
Also says Cancellera is Luigi. Which we all know he isn't.
He doesn't does he. He says he thought Cancellara was Luigi, but Thomas Dekker tells him, "Nah, that was me mate."0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Phil Gaimon is the Secret Pro
I don't know if Shane Stokes has ever met Phil Gaimon.0 -
andyp wrote:TailWindHome wrote:Phil Gaimon is the Secret Pro
I don't know if Shane Stokes has ever met Phil Gaimon.
They've never been seen in the same room.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
hoping there's more to the book than just a lot of gossip on riders.
Watched the Flanders win on youtube and from what I could see it all looked normal to me. Need to check out the Milan-San Remo win again but I'm sure that will be the same.0 -
cougie wrote:Isn't the secret Pro an amalgam of riders ?
An amalgam of riders who live in Shane Stokes' head.0 -
sherer wrote:hoping there's more to the book than just a lot of gossip on riders.
Watched the Flanders win on youtube and from what I could see it all looked normal to me. Need to check out the Milan-San Remo win again but I'm sure that will be the same.
I think it's a combination of
-the way he rides away with apparent ease, in Flanders opening a huge gap on Boonen in about 30 seconds, I have never seen anything that impressive in procycling. Even Froome at his best does not open a gap with that speed. Roubaix was if anything more striking, he's on the flat and the differential in speed between Cancellera and the people he rides away from is incredible.
-the odd bike changes which appear pre planned, why? They have a stock of identical bikes.
- the movement of his hand prior to accelerating which doesn't appear to be a gear change.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
andyp wrote:
He doesn't does he. He says he thought Cancellara was Luigi, but Thomas Dekker tells him, "Nah, that was me mate."
I read it on a Kindle, so my experience was somewhat different. Chapter 22 he said "I'm pretty sure the bags codenamed Luigi belonged to chinny"
There is a footnote which has the Dekker bit you mention. I hadn't seen it until you mentioned it, but it's not like a correction in the main body of text.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:andyp wrote:
He doesn't does he. He says he thought Cancellara was Luigi, but Thomas Dekker tells him, "Nah, that was me mate."
I read it on a Kindle, so my experience was somewhat different. Chapter 22 he said "I'm pretty sure the bags codenamed Luigi belonged to chinny"
There is a footnote which has the Dekker bit you mention. I hadn't seen it until you mentioned it, but it's not like a correction in the main body of text.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dekker- ... ign=buffer0 -
TailWindHome wrote:Phil GaimonVerified account
@philgaimon
I might as well say something before more words get put in my mouth. In "Draft Animals," I repeated a rumor that's well-documented and many years old, and I presented it as such. I stand by my opinion, but it's exactly that.
Phil GaimonVerified account @philgaimon · Nov 9
Put a gun to my head and that's what I believe, so I'd be a liar if I left it out of the book, but I have no revelations or proof. Ironically, the context in the book is dismissing conspiracy theories about motors today as clickbait.
If it's good enough for the President of the Free World.......
Doesn't repeating defamatory statements make you liable?
Gaimon on some very dangerous ground here. This is not Walsh with multiple sworn witnesses. This is repeating the word of one disgruntled rider, who admits it was just a rumour.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
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DeVlaeminck wrote:sherer wrote:hoping there's more to the book than just a lot of gossip on riders.
Watched the Flanders win on youtube and from what I could see it all looked normal to me. Need to check out the Milan-San Remo win again but I'm sure that will be the same.
I think it's a combination of
-the way he rides away with apparent ease, in Flanders opening a huge gap on Boonen in about 30 seconds, I have never seen anything that impressive in procycling. Even Froome at his best does not open a gap with that speed. Roubaix was if anything more striking, he's on the flat and the differential in speed between Cancellera and the people he rides away from is incredible.
-the odd bike changes which appear pre planned, why? They have a stock of identical bikes.
- the movement of his hand prior to accelerating which doesn't appear to be a gear change.
Yes he gets a good gap, but can we really do trial by video on this. I move my hands all the time, I'm sure if I was filmed it would look strange.
Unless we compare it to every accelerating ever in cycling that was filmed, can we really say it was beyond the limits of what is possible on a bike.0 -
It'd be interesting to look back at the forum thread of the day to see what the reaction was, unfortunately I've got to get back to work in 10 minutes.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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DeVlaeminck wrote:It'd be interesting to look back at the forum thread of the day to see what the reaction was, unfortunately I've got to get back to work in 10 minutes.
Here you go: http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... e&start=80
Plenty of chat about the astonishing display of power. A couple of doping references including a Luigi (IanF I'm looking at you) and some love from FF.
BTW for thread starters this is a good reason for putting the year of the race in the thread title.0 -
Also, the Breschel interview at the end of the thread has him saying that Fabian deserved the win and the team could do better mechanically. Not exactly the comments from someone who things his teammate just won on a bike with a motor...0
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So, why isn't Cancellara suing?0
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I'd forgotten that I thought it was fantastically impressive at the time.0
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DeVlaeminck wrote:sherer wrote:hoping there's more to the book than just a lot of gossip on riders.
Watched the Flanders win on youtube and from what I could see it all looked normal to me. Need to check out the Milan-San Remo win again but I'm sure that will be the same.
I think it's a combination of
-the way he rides away with apparent ease, in Flanders opening a huge gap on Boonen in about 30 seconds, I have never seen anything that impressive in procycling. Even Froome at his best does not open a gap with that speed. Roubaix was if anything more striking, he's on the flat and the differential in speed between Cancellera and the people he rides away from is incredible.
-the odd bike changes which appear pre planned, why? They have a stock of identical bikes.
- the movement of his hand prior to accelerating which doesn't appear to be a gear change.
You know Boonen cramped up, right?
And on a steep cobbled climb where momentum is everything?
Hell a fresh me would have been able to put a good 10 seconds into Boonen had I arrived at that steep bit with him. He almost parks it.0 -
While I don't like the use of climbing times, it's worth noting that he wasn't particularly quick up the Muur that year. The following year he was only five seconds slower (along with Chavanel) while Gilbert, catching them, went five seconds quicker with Leukemans and Hincapie in his wheel.Twitter: @RichN950
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Rick Chasey wrote:DeVlaeminck wrote:sherer wrote:hoping there's more to the book than just a lot of gossip on riders.
Watched the Flanders win on youtube and from what I could see it all looked normal to me. Need to check out the Milan-San Remo win again but I'm sure that will be the same.
I think it's a combination of
-the way he rides away with apparent ease, in Flanders opening a huge gap on Boonen in about 30 seconds, I have never seen anything that impressive in procycling. Even Froome at his best does not open a gap with that speed. Roubaix was if anything more striking, he's on the flat and the differential in speed between Cancellera and the people he rides away from is incredible.
-the odd bike changes which appear pre planned, why? They have a stock of identical bikes.
- the movement of his hand prior to accelerating which doesn't appear to be a gear change.
You know Boonen cramped up, right?
And on a steep cobbled climb where momentum is everything?
Hell a fresh me would have been able to put a good 10 seconds into Boonen had I arrived at that steep bit with him. He almost parks it.
Hasn't noticed Boonen cramp up, but that would explain a lot. Every time I've watched the clip since I think ive just focused on Cancellara.
Still waiting to see a clip of someone on a bike that looks out of the ordinary. Even footage of Femke in the races before the ban look fine to me, although she always claimed she never used a motor in competition.0 -
Even that one where she distances the whole field including Helen Wyman on that first climb ? Looked a bit odd to me given what we know now.0
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Fenix wrote:Even that one where she distances the whole field including Helen Wyman on that first climb ? Looked a bit odd to me given what we know now.0
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sherer wrote:Fenix wrote:Even that one where she distances the whole field including Helen Wyman on that first climb ? Looked a bit odd to me given what we know now.
The system she was using (Vivax Assist type) is a pedal assist system i.e., the bike doesn't just go along when you're not pedaling. Means it probably wouldn't look like she was just riding a motorbike.0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:sherer wrote:Fenix wrote:Even that one where she distances the whole field including Helen Wyman on that first climb ? Looked a bit odd to me given what we know now.
The system she was using (Vivax Assist type) is a pedal assist system i.e., the bike doesn't just go along when you're not pedaling. Means it probably wouldn't look like she was just riding a motorbike.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:bobmcstuff wrote:sherer wrote:Fenix wrote:Even that one where she distances the whole field including Helen Wyman on that first climb ? Looked a bit odd to me given what we know now.
The system she was using (Vivax Assist type) is a pedal assist system i.e., the bike doesn't just go along when you're not pedaling. Means it probably wouldn't look like she was just riding a motorbike.
Yes, exactly - but what I'm getting at is that the bike itself probably won't look funny because it's not just a motorbike.0 -
She was sat in the saddle and had a three second gap at the top of the first hill with women out of the saddle behind trying to keep up.
Maybe she's just a great climber but you'd think she would have to get out of the saddle for that power ?
Unless she had motor assistance..0