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Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
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rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Maybe the Tories and the country would have been better off with a less populist but more competent PM, who would have the guts and the skill to outwit (or just out-argue) the unions. Radical thought, I realise...0 -
We shall see.rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Just for comparison, I've never been in a union, so they can't be that good
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Depends who's actually dealing with the issue.briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Maybe the Tories and the country would have been better off with a less populist but more competent PM, who would have the guts and the skill to outwit (or just out-argue) the unions. Radical thought, I realise...
That said, so you think any other major party would stand up to the unions?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Depends who's actually dealing with the issue.briantrumpet said:rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Maybe the Tories and the country would have been better off with a less populist but more competent PM, who would have the guts and the skill to outwit (or just out-argue) the unions. Radical thought, I realise...
That said, so you think any other major party would stand up to the unions?
No, but the Tories have the worst of the worst, a man with no moral authority whatsoever. If I were a union boss, I'd be trolling him by saying they have taken legal advice that they can do anything they want, just because.
If you don't recognise it, I'm actually trying to help you get a more electable Tory Party here, and one that might do useful things.0 -
😂 Don't be silly, they dress them up as professional bodies for the likes of us.Stevo_666 said:
We shall see.rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Just for comparison, I've never been in a union, so they can't be that good1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I don't recall my professional body ever getting involved in my pay - or asking me to down tools and walk out with my accounting comrades. The only thing they ever seem to do is increase my annual subs...rjsterry said:
😂 Don't be silly, they dress them up as professional bodies for the likes of us.Stevo_666 said:
We shall see.rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Just for comparison, I've never been in a union, so they can't be that good"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
They're more subtle - limiting entry to keep fees up. Time was they had fixed fee scales as well. Thankfully long in the past. Some are also just not very good at it.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall my professional body ever getting involved in my pay - or asking me to down tools and walk out with my accounting comrades. The only thing they ever seem to do is increase my annual subs...rjsterry said:
😂 Don't be silly, they dress them up as professional bodies for the likes of us.Stevo_666 said:
We shall see.rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Just for comparison, I've never been in a union, so they can't be that good1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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surely it is the work of Bob Crow, now we get to see how good the new, new, guy isrjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
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That's maybe a narrow view of professional bodies when I don't earn fees.rjsterry said:
They're more subtle - limiting entry to keep fees up. Time was they had fixed fee scales as well. Thankfully long in the past. Some are also just not very good at it.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall my professional body ever getting involved in my pay - or asking me to down tools and walk out with my accounting comrades. The only thing they ever seem to do is increase my annual subs...rjsterry said:
😂 Don't be silly, they dress them up as professional bodies for the likes of us.Stevo_666 said:
We shall see.rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Just for comparison, I've never been in a union, so they can't be that good
A lot of the time shortages in my field were initially caused by firms chucking too many trainees out come economic crash time and governments/supranational bodies making the rules so complex it increased the need for people with relevant expertise. Can't grumble too much though "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You're being a bit naive if you think professional bodies don't engage in forms of collective bargaining and other behaviour that limits restricts the labour supply.0
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If there is any collective bargaining going on in my field, I don't know about it. They made it difficult to pass exams, sure but other routes into the world of bean counting and tax are available.rick_chasey said:You're being a bit naive if you think professional bodies don't engage in forms of collective bargaining and other behaviour that limits restricts the labour supply.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
To be fair to stevo - the firms have more leverage than the professional body in our industry. I've heard that (biggest) firms lean on the professional body to ensure pass rates are high enough, as they don't really want be to be firing staff for not passing exams, which costs the firms a fortune to put their trainees though in the first place.0
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Fees/earnings if you prefer. You're putting a lot of effort into disproving a joke.Stevo_666 said:
That's maybe a narrow view of professional bodies when I don't earn fees.rjsterry said:
They're more subtle - limiting entry to keep fees up. Time was they had fixed fee scales as well. Thankfully long in the past. Some are also just not very good at it.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall my professional body ever getting involved in my pay - or asking me to down tools and walk out with my accounting comrades. The only thing they ever seem to do is increase my annual subs...rjsterry said:
😂 Don't be silly, they dress them up as professional bodies for the likes of us.Stevo_666 said:
We shall see.rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Just for comparison, I've never been in a union, so they can't be that good
A lot of the time shortages in my field were initially caused by firms chucking too many trainees out come economic crash time and governments/supranational bodies making the rules so complex it increased the need for people with relevant expertise. Can't grumble too much though1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Nope, a minute of typing is not a lot of effort. Not sure where the joke bit came from.rjsterry said:
Fees/earnings if you prefer. You're putting a lot of effort into disproving a joke.Stevo_666 said:
That's maybe a narrow view of professional bodies when I don't earn fees.rjsterry said:
They're more subtle - limiting entry to keep fees up. Time was they had fixed fee scales as well. Thankfully long in the past. Some are also just not very good at it.Stevo_666 said:
I don't recall my professional body ever getting involved in my pay - or asking me to down tools and walk out with my accounting comrades. The only thing they ever seem to do is increase my annual subs...rjsterry said:
😂 Don't be silly, they dress them up as professional bodies for the likes of us.Stevo_666 said:
We shall see.rjsterry said:
Thing is, they might be reactionary dinosaurs but they are good at it as the pay and conditions of their membership attests. Shapps is not in their league. They will more than likely win this.Stevo_666 said:
Might teach the ****ers that it's not a good idea to strike in the first place. Prevention is better than cure...Jezyboy said:Shapps idea of stopping overtime, so that staff dont work overtime, which will presumably mean even more cancelled services, is truly genius.
Just for comparison, I've never been in a union, so they can't be that good
A lot of the time shortages in my field were initially caused by firms chucking too many trainees out come economic crash time and governments/supranational bodies making the rules so complex it increased the need for people with relevant expertise. Can't grumble too much though"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Thanks SB. As I mentioned above, the bigger drivers of supply in our 'industry' are the forms and the regulatory environment.shirley_basso said:To be fair to stevo - the firms have more leverage than the professional body in our industry. I've heard that (biggest) firms lean on the professional body to ensure pass rates are high enough, as they don't really want be to be firing staff for not passing exams, which costs the firms a fortune to put their trainees though in the first place.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
As I said, some of these bodies maybe aren't that effective at protecting their members interests - my own leaves a lot to be desired - but that is their core function, the same as a union. It's OK I'm not accusing you of being a socialist 😁.Stevo_666 said:
Thanks SB. As I mentioned above, the bigger drivers of supply in our 'industry' are the forms and the regulatory environment.shirley_basso said:To be fair to stevo - the firms have more leverage than the professional body in our industry. I've heard that (biggest) firms lean on the professional body to ensure pass rates are high enough, as they don't really want be to be firing staff for not passing exams, which costs the firms a fortune to put their trainees though in the first place.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Anyone describing the ICAEW as a union should probably get done under the Trade Descriptions Actrjsterry said:
As I said, some of these bodies maybe aren't that effective at protecting their members interests - my own leaves a lot to be desired - but that is their core function, the same as a union. It's OK I'm not accusing you of being a socialist 😁.Stevo_666 said:
Thanks SB. As I mentioned above, the bigger drivers of supply in our 'industry' are the forms and the regulatory environment.shirley_basso said:To be fair to stevo - the firms have more leverage than the professional body in our industry. I've heard that (biggest) firms lean on the professional body to ensure pass rates are high enough, as they don't really want be to be firing staff for not passing exams, which costs the firms a fortune to put their trainees though in the first place.
That said, happy to do my own negotiating - seems to work OK... "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe we could describe them as unions not affiliated to the TUCStevo_666 said:
Anyone describing the ICAEW as a union should probably get done under the Trade Descriptions Actrjsterry said:
As I said, some of these bodies maybe aren't that effective at protecting their members interests - my own leaves a lot to be desired - but that is their core function, the same as a union. It's OK I'm not accusing you of being a socialist 😁.Stevo_666 said:
Thanks SB. As I mentioned above, the bigger drivers of supply in our 'industry' are the forms and the regulatory environment.shirley_basso said:To be fair to stevo - the firms have more leverage than the professional body in our industry. I've heard that (biggest) firms lean on the professional body to ensure pass rates are high enough, as they don't really want be to be firing staff for not passing exams, which costs the firms a fortune to put their trainees though in the first place.
That said, happy to do my own negotiating - seems to work OK...0 -
If you want to argue against something I didn't write, I'll leave you to it.Stevo_666 said:
Anyone describing the ICAEW as a union should probably get done under the Trade Descriptions Actrjsterry said:
As I said, some of these bodies maybe aren't that effective at protecting their members interests - my own leaves a lot to be desired - but that is their core function, the same as a union. It's OK I'm not accusing you of being a socialist 😁.Stevo_666 said:
Thanks SB. As I mentioned above, the bigger drivers of supply in our 'industry' are the forms and the regulatory environment.shirley_basso said:To be fair to stevo - the firms have more leverage than the professional body in our industry. I've heard that (biggest) firms lean on the professional body to ensure pass rates are high enough, as they don't really want be to be firing staff for not passing exams, which costs the firms a fortune to put their trainees though in the first place.
That said, happy to do my own negotiating - seems to work OK...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I never claimed you said that. I said anyone...rjsterry said:
If you want to argue against something I didn't write, I'll leave you to it.Stevo_666 said:
Anyone describing the ICAEW as a union should probably get done under the Trade Descriptions Actrjsterry said:
As I said, some of these bodies maybe aren't that effective at protecting their members interests - my own leaves a lot to be desired - but that is their core function, the same as a union. It's OK I'm not accusing you of being a socialist 😁.Stevo_666 said:
Thanks SB. As I mentioned above, the bigger drivers of supply in our 'industry' are the forms and the regulatory environment.shirley_basso said:To be fair to stevo - the firms have more leverage than the professional body in our industry. I've heard that (biggest) firms lean on the professional body to ensure pass rates are high enough, as they don't really want be to be firing staff for not passing exams, which costs the firms a fortune to put their trainees though in the first place.
That said, happy to do my own negotiating - seems to work OK..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
The fact that they need to mount a campaign to try to achieve this should tell you something...ddraver said:Credit where it's due, For Day 1 of "Operation Make Starmer Look Not Boring", PMQs was not a bad start...
A long ways to go for sure, but...."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
The fact that they need to mount a campaign to try to achieve this should tell you something...ddraver said:Credit where it's due, For Day 1 of "Operation Make Starmer Look Not Boring", PMQs was not a bad start...
A long ways to go for sure, but....
Considering how boring he is, I wonder what the Tories are doing wrong to be trailing so badly...
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
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I'll take boring over lying narcissist any day.Stevo_666 said:
The fact that they need to mount a campaign to try to achieve this should tell you something...ddraver said:Credit where it's due, For Day 1 of "Operation Make Starmer Look Not Boring", PMQs was not a bad start...
A long ways to go for sure, but....0 -
You left out "law-breaking".Pross said:
I'll take boring over lying narcissist any day.Stevo_666 said:
The fact that they need to mount a campaign to try to achieve this should tell you something...ddraver said:Credit where it's due, For Day 1 of "Operation Make Starmer Look Not Boring", PMQs was not a bad start...
A long ways to go for sure, but....0 -
Bad news if a GE is imminent I guess...briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
The fact that they need to mount a campaign to try to achieve this should tell you something...ddraver said:Credit where it's due, For Day 1 of "Operation Make Starmer Look Not Boring", PMQs was not a bad start...
A long ways to go for sure, but....
Considering how boring he is, I wonder what the Tories are doing wrong to be trailing so badly...
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Depending on the outcome of certain investigations, that could be added to Starmers description. Boring and law breaking - what a combination. Just what Labour needsbriantrumpet said:
You left out "law-breaking".Pross said:
I'll take boring over lying narcissist any day.Stevo_666 said:
The fact that they need to mount a campaign to try to achieve this should tell you something...ddraver said:Credit where it's due, For Day 1 of "Operation Make Starmer Look Not Boring", PMQs was not a bad start...
A long ways to go for sure, but.... "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Bad news if a GE is imminent I guess...briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
The fact that they need to mount a campaign to try to achieve this should tell you something...ddraver said:Credit where it's due, For Day 1 of "Operation Make Starmer Look Not Boring", PMQs was not a bad start...
A long ways to go for sure, but....
Considering how boring he is, I wonder what the Tories are doing wrong to be trailing so badly...
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
Too early to tell, obvs.
But even so, my point still stands. I'm not going to argue that he's not boring, or has charisma. But despite that, Labour is ten % points up. Why do you think that would be?0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Depending on the outcome of certain investigations, that could be added to Starmers description. Boring and law breaking - what a combination. Just what Labour needsbriantrumpet said:
You left out "law-breaking".Pross said:
I'll take boring over lying narcissist any day.Stevo_666 said:
The fact that they need to mount a campaign to try to achieve this should tell you something...ddraver said:Credit where it's due, For Day 1 of "Operation Make Starmer Look Not Boring", PMQs was not a bad start...
A long ways to go for sure, but....
Keep clutching at straws. I'm not sure what hold Johnson has got on you... unlike ministers, you don't rely on him for your employment.0
