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Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Bizarre explanation in the Guardian: "I was present but I don't think I was involved." What? He was just passing? I mean there's a photo of him stood next to the guy laying the wreath. There seems to be some debate over whether the wreath was for victims of an Israeli air strike or members of Black September.

Pathetic excuse and The Guardian does not appear to be defending him.

Stevo_666

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

JC under pressure over his involvement at a ceremony to honour the perpetrators of the Munich Olympics terror attack:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622

Yeah Momentum and his other supporters are really going to be mortified that he turns out to be a terrorist supporting anti-Semite.

I don't really care what the hard leftiebollox brigade think; it's more important that the voting public see him for the terrorist apologist that he is.

roger_merriman

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

JC under pressure over his involvement at a ceremony to honour the perpetrators of the Munich Olympics terror attack:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622

Yeah Momentum and his other supporters are really going to be mortified that he turns out to be a terrorist supporting anti-Semite.

It’s such a personality cult I don’t think any will see it, essentially a blinkered view, seem to see everything as factional fighting.

surrey_commuter

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

JC under pressure over his involvement at a ceremony to honour the perpetrators of the Munich Olympics terror attack:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622

Yeah Momentum and his other supporters are really going to be mortified that he turns out to be a terrorist supporting anti-Semite.

I don't really care what the hard leftiebollox brigade think; it's more important that the voting public see him for the terrorist apologist that he is.

But as you well know the only people who can get rid of him are Labour Party members. His support for virtually any terrorist organisation is well known so I very much doubt this story will bother them one iota.

And any member of the voting public with any awareness will know he is a terrorist apologist. For those who don’t already know this they will forget once the next virtual reality show starts.

Like Cameron fvcking a pig this story falls under the category of things you thought you already knew.

Stevo_666

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

JC under pressure over his involvement at a ceremony to honour the perpetrators of the Munich Olympics terror attack:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622

Yeah Momentum and his other supporters are really going to be mortified that he turns out to be a terrorist supporting anti-Semite.

I don't really care what the hard leftiebollox brigade think; it's more important that the voting public see him for the terrorist apologist that he is.

But as you well know the only people who can get rid of him are Labour Party members. His support for virtually any terrorist organisation is well known so I very much doubt this story will bother them one iota.

And any member of the voting public with any awareness will know he is a terrorist apologist. For those who don’t already know this they will forget once the next virtual reality show starts.

Like Cameron ******* a pig this story falls under the category of things you thought you already knew.

Having been a member not too long ago I know that only the membermembership can remove him.

As to whether the voting public will forget the incident, maybe but incidents like this help to build up the 'negative image' that will linger in some voters minds. Hence it is useful in my view. It also helps that when the allegations are almost certainly true.

surrey_commuter

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

JC under pressure over his involvement at a ceremony to honour the perpetrators of the Munich Olympics terror attack:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622

Yeah Momentum and his other supporters are really going to be mortified that he turns out to be a terrorist supporting anti-Semite.

I don't really care what the hard leftiebollox brigade think; it's more important that the voting public see him for the terrorist apologist that he is.

But as you well know the only people who can get rid of him are Labour Party members. His support for virtually any terrorist organisation is well known so I very much doubt this story will bother them one iota.

And any member of the voting public with any awareness will know he is a terrorist apologist. For those who don’t already know this they will forget once the next virtual reality show starts.

Like Cameron ******* a pig this story falls under the category of things you thought you already knew.

Having been a member not too long ago I know that only the membermembership can remove him.

As to whether the voting public will forget the incident, maybe but incidents like this help to build up the 'negative image' that will linger in some voters minds. Hence it is useful in my view. It also helps that when the allegations are almost certainly true.

A week ago these people had no issue with him being a terrorist sympathiser. If they had no issue with him supporting the IRA then I can't see them objecting to him supporting overseas terrorists.

coopster_the_1st

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

JC under pressure over his involvement at a ceremony to honour the perpetrators of the Munich Olympics terror attack:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622

Yeah Momentum and his other supporters are really going to be mortified that he turns out to be a terrorist supporting anti-Semite.

I don't really care what the hard leftiebollox brigade think; it's more important that the voting public see him for the terrorist apologist that he is.

But as you well know the only people who can get rid of him are Labour Party members. His support for virtually any terrorist organisation is well known so I very much doubt this story will bother them one iota.

And any member of the voting public with any awareness will know he is a terrorist apologist. For those who don’t already know this they will forget once the next virtual reality show starts.

Like Cameron ******* a pig this story falls under the category of things you thought you already knew.

Having been a member not too long ago I know that only the membermembership can remove him.

As to whether the voting public will forget the incident, maybe but incidents like this help to build up the 'negative image' that will linger in some voters minds. Hence it is useful in my view. It also helps that when the allegations are almost certainly true.

The snowflakes will ignore all this when Corbyn promises them more money from the magic money tree. The 2017 election proved this to be the case.

TheBigBean

Correct me if I'm wrong. Corbyn was pictured with a wreath in the Cemetery of the Martyrs of Palestine. He says it was to commemorate those murdered in 1985 by Israel, but others think it was to commemorate those murdered in 1991/2 by Israel. The difference being that the victims of the 1991/2 murders may have been guilty of murders themselves (Munich Olympics) whilst the 1985 ones were just innocent civilians. It's a bit late now, but it might have been better to prosecute the Munich Olympic bombers rather than murder them.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong. Corbyn was pictured with a wreath in the Cemetery of the Martyrs of Palestine. He says it was to commemorate those murdered in 1985 by Israel, but others think it was to commemorate those murdered in 1991/2 by Israel. The difference being that the victims of the 1991/2 murders may have been guilty of murders themselves (Munich Olympics) whilst the 1985 ones were just innocent civilians. It's a bit late now, but it might have been better to prosecute the Munich Olympic bombers rather than murder them.

did they not commit their outrage whilst demanding the release of colleagues from prison? putting more in prison may not have seemed like the most productive idea

TheBigBean

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong. Corbyn was pictured with a wreath in the Cemetery of the Martyrs of Palestine. He says it was to commemorate those murdered in 1985 by Israel, but others think it was to commemorate those murdered in 1991/2 by Israel. The difference being that the victims of the 1991/2 murders may have been guilty of murders themselves (Munich Olympics) whilst the 1985 ones were just innocent civilians. It's a bit late now, but it might have been better to prosecute the Munich Olympic bombers rather than murder them.

did they not commit their outrage whilst demanding the release of colleagues from prison? putting more in prison may not have seemed like the most productive idea

Here is one of the victims/bombers. Israel believed he was part of the Munich bombing, but they weren't sure. A number of people who took no part in it were murdered by Israel by mistake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atef_Bseiso

It seems the primary reason for his murder was that he was developing intelligence links with the CIA and european intelligence agencies, and Israel feared this could have a negative impact on them.

In an integrity battle between Corbyn and Netanyahu, I think there is only one winner.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong. Corbyn was pictured with a wreath in the Cemetery of the Martyrs of Palestine. He says it was to commemorate those murdered in 1985 by Israel, but others think it was to commemorate those murdered in 1991/2 by Israel. The difference being that the victims of the 1991/2 murders may have been guilty of murders themselves (Munich Olympics) whilst the 1985 ones were just innocent civilians. It's a bit late now, but it might have been better to prosecute the Munich Olympic bombers rather than murder them.

did they not commit their outrage whilst demanding the release of colleagues from prison? putting more in prison may not have seemed like the most productive idea

Here is one of the victims/bombers. Israel believed he was part of the Munich bombing, but they weren't sure. A number of people who took no part in it were murdered by Israel by mistake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atef_Bseiso

It seems the primary reason for his murder was that he was developing intelligence links with the CIA and european intelligence agencies, and Israel feared this could have a negative impact on them.

In an integrity battle between Corbyn and Netanyahu, I think there is only one winner.

bizarrely I would not question Corbyn's integrity - I just disagree with virtually every position he has ever taken. Why the comparison to Netanyahu?

TheBigBean

Correction. The other one (Salah Khalaf) wasn't murdered by Israel, but by a splinter Palestinian group. There doesn't seem to be a direct link between him and the Munich bombings though. He started the group that was behind the bombings.

TheBigBean

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong. Corbyn was pictured with a wreath in the Cemetery of the Martyrs of Palestine. He says it was to commemorate those murdered in 1985 by Israel, but others think it was to commemorate those murdered in 1991/2 by Israel. The difference being that the victims of the 1991/2 murders may have been guilty of murders themselves (Munich Olympics) whilst the 1985 ones were just innocent civilians. It's a bit late now, but it might have been better to prosecute the Munich Olympic bombers rather than murder them.

did they not commit their outrage whilst demanding the release of colleagues from prison? putting more in prison may not have seemed like the most productive idea

Here is one of the victims/bombers. Israel believed he was part of the Munich bombing, but they weren't sure. A number of people who took no part in it were murdered by Israel by mistake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atef_Bseiso

It seems the primary reason for his murder was that he was developing intelligence links with the CIA and european intelligence agencies, and Israel feared this could have a negative impact on them.

In an integrity battle between Corbyn and Netanyahu, I think there is only one winner.

bizarrely I would not question Corbyn's integrity - I just disagree with virtually every position he has ever taken. Why the comparison to Netanyahu?

Isn't that what this spat is about? Netyanyahu has criticised Corbyn on twitter and Corbyn has responded.

rolf_f

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bizarrely I would not question Corbyn's integrity

Why not? Apart from anything else, he doesn't tolerate behaviour in others that he is renowned for himself. Not really the behaviour of someone of integrity surely? Nor is his fudging attitude to Brexit exactly honest. Or his pretence that he wants to be Prime Minister whilst at the same time overtly doing all he can to ensure that the party cannot win a general election. I wouldn't say his gerrymandering of Labour party rules to almost guarantee he can't be removed is exactly a ringing endorsement of his integrity either. Of course, you can apply various definitions of integrity here but in summary Corbyn is a nasty, dishonest hypocrite who thankfully will never, ever become Prime Minister but at least he hasn't got Netanyahu's death toll on his conscience.

I'd be happy to lock him and Netanyahu in a room together and let them enjoy each others company. They both deserve it.

TheBigBean

Someone else went to the event.

But the Labour leader did receive backing from Dr Mohammed Shtayyeh, a minister from the Palestinian Authority who was present at the commemorations in Tunisia in 2014.

Dr Shtayyeh confirmed the intention of the event was simply to remember those killed in the 1985 airstrike.

https://news.sky.com/story/claims-and-c ... w-11472097

Stevo_666

There are other accounts in the press stating that Corbyn did not just commemorate those killed in the 1985 attack and was also seen at the graves of the Black September killers:
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20180811/281479277244222
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/corbyn-attended-ceremony-honouring-munich-terrorist-1.439294

rjsterry

Rolf F wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bizarrely I would not question Corbyn's integrity

Why not? Apart from anything else, he doesn't tolerate behaviour in others that he is renowned for himself. Not really the behaviour of someone of integrity surely? Nor is his fudging attitude to Brexit exactly honest. Or his pretence that he wants to be Prime Minister whilst at the same time overtly doing all he can to ensure that the party cannot win a general election. I wouldn't say his gerrymandering of Labour party rules to almost guarantee he can't be removed is exactly a ringing endorsement of his integrity either. Of course, you can apply various definitions of integrity here but in summary Corbyn is a nasty, dishonest hypocrite who thankfully will never, ever become Prime Minister but at least he hasn't got Netanyahu's death toll on his conscience.

I'd be happy to lock him and Netanyahu in a room together and let them enjoy each others company. They both deserve it.

The sight of Netanyahu trying to take the moral high ground does indeed take the biscuit.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bizarrely I would not question Corbyn's integrity

Why not? Apart from anything else, he doesn't tolerate behaviour in others that he is renowned for himself. Not really the behaviour of someone of integrity surely? Nor is his fudging attitude to Brexit exactly honest. Or his pretence that he wants to be Prime Minister whilst at the same time overtly doing all he can to ensure that the party cannot win a general election. I wouldn't say his gerrymandering of Labour party rules to almost guarantee he can't be removed is exactly a ringing endorsement of his integrity either. Of course, you can apply various definitions of integrity here but in summary Corbyn is a nasty, dishonest hypocrite who thankfully will never, ever become Prime Minister but at least he hasn't got Netanyahu's death toll on his conscience.

I'd be happy to lock him and Netanyahu in a room together and let them enjoy each others company. They both deserve it.

The sight of Netanyahu trying to take the moral high ground does indeed take the biscuit.

When the competition is Corbyn the ground doesn't need to be very high. Netanyahu could probably win it by going to The Dead Sea.

rjsterry

It wasn't really a comment on Corbyn.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

It wasn't really a comment on Corbyn.

Given the thread topic, I made it one so that it was relevant

finchy

So in a 2-horse race between the Tories and Labour, we shouldn't vote Labour because JC laid a wreath at a ceremony to commemorate Palestinian and Tunisian victims of Israeli bombing (his version)/the grave of a Munich hijacker (Conservative media and Israeli version), but you Tory supporters are fine with voting for a government which has boosted arms sales to murderers such as the Saudis, Chinese, Central Asian governments, etc.?

rjsterry

For all his sins - and Rolf gave quite a good list - Corbyn is a long way behind Netanyahu in that respect. The latter has unfortunately been dragged into the thread due to him tweeting about Corbyn.

It's of a piece with all that Russian spy boll***s a few months back. My view is the same now as then.

Stevo_666

finchy wrote:

So in a 2-horse race between the Tories and Labour, we shouldn't vote Labour because JC laid a wreath at a ceremony to commemorate Palestinian and Tunisian victims of Israeli bombing (his version)/the grave of a Munich hijacker

If only that was Corbyns only failing...never mind the rest of New Old Labour.

finchy

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

So in a 2-horse race between the Tories and Labour, we shouldn't vote Labour because JC laid a wreath at a ceremony to commemorate Palestinian and Tunisian victims of Israeli bombing (his version)/the grave of a Munich hijacker

If only that was Corbyns only failing...never mind the rest of New Old Labour.

To my mind, and the most important reason I probably won't vote Labour at the next GE, JC's biggest failing is promising to leave the single market.

The Tories/"moderate" Labour, on the other hand, now where do we start? The support for unjustified wars? Refusal to properly regulate the lending markets in the 1990s/2000s? P1ssing away billions of £ on pointless reforms in the education system when hordes of experienced teachers quit every year? Support for dictatorships?

Stevo_666

finchy wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

So in a 2-horse race between the Tories and Labour, we shouldn't vote Labour because JC laid a wreath at a ceremony to commemorate Palestinian and Tunisian victims of Israeli bombing (his version)/the grave of a Munich hijacker

If only that was Corbyns only failing...never mind the rest of New Old Labour.

To my mind, and the most important reason I probably won't vote Labour at the next GE, JC's biggest failing is promising to leave the single market.

The Tories/"moderate" Labour, on the other hand, now where do we start? The support for unjustified wars? Refusal to properly regulate the lending markets in the 1990s/2000s? P1ssing away billions of £ on pointless reforms in the education system when hordes of experienced teachers quit every year? Support for dictatorships?

So who will you waste your vote on?

finchy

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

So in a 2-horse race between the Tories and Labour, we shouldn't vote Labour because JC laid a wreath at a ceremony to commemorate Palestinian and Tunisian victims of Israeli bombing (his version)/the grave of a Munich hijacker

If only that was Corbyns only failing...never mind the rest of New Old Labour.

To my mind, and the most important reason I probably won't vote Labour at the next GE, JC's biggest failing is promising to leave the single market.

The Tories/"moderate" Labour, on the other hand, now where do we start? The support for unjustified wars? Refusal to properly regulate the lending markets in the 1990s/2000s? P1ssing away billions of £ on pointless reforms in the education system when hordes of experienced teachers quit every year? Support for dictatorships?

So who will you waste your vote on?

Living in a Conservative constituency, I'll probably vote LD, as they might be able to oust the scandal-hit Damian Green at the next election, especially as here in Ashford we're likely to really get hit hard by Brexit.

rolf_f

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

bizarrely I would not question Corbyn's integrity

Why not? Apart from anything else, he doesn't tolerate behaviour in others that he is renowned for himself. Not really the behaviour of someone of integrity surely? Nor is his fudging attitude to Brexit exactly honest. Or his pretence that he wants to be Prime Minister whilst at the same time overtly doing all he can to ensure that the party cannot win a general election. I wouldn't say his gerrymandering of Labour party rules to almost guarantee he can't be removed is exactly a ringing endorsement of his integrity either. Of course, you can apply various definitions of integrity here but in summary Corbyn is a nasty, dishonest hypocrite who thankfully will never, ever become Prime Minister but at least he hasn't got Netanyahu's death toll on his conscience.

I'd be happy to lock him and Netanyahu in a room together and let them enjoy each others company. They both deserve it.

The sight of Netanyahu trying to take the moral high ground does indeed take the biscuit.

When the competition is Corbyn the ground doesn't need to be very high. Netanyahu could probably win it by going to The Dead Sea.

To be fair on Corbyn, lots of people haven't, as far as I am aware, died because of him. Of course Corbyn has never been in power, doesn't want to be in power and never will be in power so his opportunities for killing people are much reduced compared to those of Netanyahu.

rjsterry

finchy wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

So in a 2-horse race between the Tories and Labour, we shouldn't vote Labour because JC laid a wreath at a ceremony to commemorate Palestinian and Tunisian victims of Israeli bombing (his version)/the grave of a Munich hijacker

If only that was Corbyns only failing...never mind the rest of New Old Labour.

To my mind, and the most important reason I probably won't vote Labour at the next GE, JC's biggest failing is promising to leave the single market.

The Tories/"moderate" Labour, on the other hand, now where do we start? The support for unjustified wars? Refusal to properly regulate the lending markets in the 1990s/2000s? P1ssing away billions of £ on pointless reforms in the education system when hordes of experienced teachers quit every year? Support for dictatorships?

So who will you waste your vote on?

Living in a Conservative constituency, I'll probably vote LD, as they might be able to oust the scandal-hit Damian Green at the next election, especially as here in Ashford we're likely to really get hit hard by Brexit.

Having just listened to Chris Grayling being interviewed I'm not sure who has wasted their vote. More seriously, unless you are going to run for office or get heavily involved in campaigning, all you can influence is the choice of your local MP. Your one vote will not decide which party forms a government; the only battle you can 'win' is to have your preferred local candidate elected. The last election showed that the idea of a 'safe seat' is waning, which can only be a good thing. Even if the sitting MP isn't defeated, reducing their majority sends a signal that they need to do better, so I don't think any votes are wasted.

TheBigBean

Stevo 666 wrote:

When the competition is Corbyn the ground doesn't need to be very high. Netanyahu could probably win it by going to The Dead Sea.

Do you seriously believe that?

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

finchy wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

finchy wrote:

So in a 2-horse race between the Tories and Labour, we shouldn't vote Labour because JC laid a wreath at a ceremony to commemorate Palestinian and Tunisian victims of Israeli bombing (his version)/the grave of a Munich hijacker

If only that was Corbyns only failing...never mind the rest of New Old Labour.

To my mind, and the most important reason I probably won't vote Labour at the next GE, JC's biggest failing is promising to leave the single market.

The Tories/"moderate" Labour, on the other hand, now where do we start? The support for unjustified wars? Refusal to properly regulate the lending markets in the 1990s/2000s? P1ssing away billions of £ on pointless reforms in the education system when hordes of experienced teachers quit every year? Support for dictatorships?

So who will you waste your vote on?

Living in a Conservative constituency, I'll probably vote LD, as they might be able to oust the scandal-hit Damian Green at the next election, especially as here in Ashford we're likely to really get hit hard by Brexit.

Having just listened to Chris Grayling being interviewed I'm not sure who has wasted their vote. More seriously, unless you are going to run for office or get heavily involved in campaigning, all you can influence is the choice of your local MP. Your one vote will not decide which party forms a government; the only battle you can 'win' is to have your preferred local candidate elected. The last election showed that the idea of a 'safe seat' is waning, which can only be a good thing. Even if the sitting MP isn't defeated, reducing their majority sends a signal that they need to do better, so I don't think any votes are wasted.

Grayling is widely considered to be one of the dumbest MPs which in a highly competitive field is some accolade. Not only that but he has consistently promoted into the Cabinet.

The turnout in his constituency was 59,468 of which he won 35,313 votes (an absolute majority) with a majority of 20,475. My voting against him would have no impact on the democratic process of this country.