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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Not sure that's right. Boris is direct line manager in one of the three most serious government positions may behind the PM. If he can't keep track then not looking good for becoming PM!

    BTW those meetings are arranged privately and took place on her holiday. If you are a line manager do you know who your ppl speak to on holiday? I know it's not that simple but if you take an ambitious over achiever (I think Pritti Patel has been a media hound when in the back benches with a keen eye of joining a ministerial position, secretary of state for international developments is a step up there) then you can end up with a chancer doing this sort of thing. If it works out and doesn't become public knowledge and your line manager is competent / not self centered you do well. If not your misdeeds become public knowledge and your political career stutters.

    Having said that I don't like the idea of a lobbyist getting in on those meetings. A bit of a bad decision on her part I think. Although would she have got in to see the Israeli pm without a pro Israeli lobbyist there?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    They get pretty strictly briefed on who they can meet in a private capacity.

    She's getting a big fat smackdown, and she's having to grovel and grovel and grovel because the Tories can't afford to lose a by-election.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    It's really just a move to back bench type of offence.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I don’t get your logic.

    What bojo has done is quite shocking though.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Just skimmed a news article about it. Am I right in thinking he told parliament that she was over there teaching journalism which meant Iranians charged her with spreading propaganda.

    So the issue is he reported to parliament or that sensitive information from parliament was made public?

    I'm sorry but if the foreign secretary is reporting on matters of a sensitive nature to parliament, why was it not done in a secure way? I'm assuming you don't have the opinion that parliament should be kept in the dark on foreign affairs / diplomatic matters?

    So is the issue Boris said it or that the season wasn't carried out in private? If the latter surely it's more an issue with the speaker's department since they deal with what goes on in parliament I thought.?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Apaz she wasn’t teaching anything.
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Just skimmed a news article about it. Am I right in thinking he told parliament that she was over there teaching journalism which meant Iranians charged her with spreading propaganda.

    So the issue is he reported to parliament or that sensitive information from parliament was made public?

    I'm sorry but if the foreign secretary is reporting on matters of a sensitive nature to parliament, why was it not done in a secure way? I'm assuming you don't have the opinion that parliament should be kept in the dark on foreign affairs / diplomatic matters?

    So is the issue Boris said it or that the season wasn't carried out in private? If the latter surely it's more an issue with the speaker's department since they deal with what goes on in parliament I thought.?

    Quite simply, any FS should nt be saying this sort of inaccurate cr@p, in secrecy or not...she was there on hols with her daughter, her day job back in the UK is irrelevant, it comes down to other threads/posts, when in power you ve exactly that...power, if E.Thornbury had something similar, the Iranians would nt even know who the heck she was....

    whatever he says now, is too little too late.

    BJ has fcuked over this poor womans life and is unfit for any form of public office, if May had any authority, he d be sacked in an instant but as we all know, she is a lame duck PM.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    BTW those meetings are arranged privately and took place on her holiday. If you are a line manager do you know who your ppl speak to on holiday?

    No. I work in the public sector and the lines are very clearly drawn - eg we are told pretty clearly to be careful not to express any opinion on private social media that could be construed as organisational policy. Nobody can fail to understand when they are at work and representing the organisation (during which time you are probably careful to ensure that you are following policy correctly) and when they are at home they are not. Your line manager doesn't need to know who their staff speak to on holiday because they are on holiday and therefore not at work and therefore not doing work things. It's really very, very simple.

    Patel is either a special kind of stupid or she knowingly broke the rules. Given her track record I presume the latter.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    mamba80 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Just skimmed a news article about it. Am I right in thinking he told parliament that she was over there teaching journalism which meant Iranians charged her with spreading propaganda.

    So the issue is he reported to parliament or that sensitive information from parliament was made public?

    I'm sorry but if the foreign secretary is reporting on matters of a sensitive nature to parliament, why was it not done in a secure way? I'm assuming you don't have the opinion that parliament should be kept in the dark on foreign affairs / diplomatic matters?

    So is the issue Boris said it or that the season wasn't carried out in private? If the latter surely it's more an issue with the speaker's department since they deal with what goes on in parliament I thought.?

    Quite simply, any FS should nt be saying this sort of inaccurate cr@p, in secrecy or not...she was there on hols with her daughter, her day job back in the UK is irrelevant, it comes down to other threads/posts, when in power you ve exactly that...power, if E.Thornbury had something similar, the Iranians would nt even know who the heck she was....

    whatever he says now, is too little too late.

    BJ has fcuked over this poor womans life and is unfit for any form of public office, if May had any authority, he d be sacked in an instant but as we all know, she is a lame duck PM.

    In his defence could I say that Boris has never been fit for public office, we have not learnt anything new about him that we did not already know therefore this is no reason to consider sacking him
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Just had time to read the story properly. In defence of my earlier comment I tend not to listen to anything BJ says or does anymore. He's only fit for comedy on have I got news for you. I personally think he should stick to his strengths and go back to TV. I personally don't think comics make good MPs. Even Giles Brandreth wasn't much cop.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Brandreth
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Many argue that debt does not matter but yesterday there were some interesting stats. Since 2009 we have spent over £200bn on interest. And if inflation stays 1% higher until 2021 then it will cost us £26bn. In other words if our predecessors had not borrowed so much in the past we would not be in ten years into austerity measures.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Since this thread has morphed into a bit of a slagging the Tories off thread I will join in.

    Anyone got an opinion of Priti Patel?

    Last thing I read was she's coming home early from Africa to face May again. Also she's facing censure over another matter. Apparently she's signed off on giving money to the Israelis army (IDF as in Israeli Defence Force).

    Seems it's under the guise of being for aid in the Golan Heights. Can't the Israelis afford to look after their own in the areas they control? I understand money for Palestinian controlled areas but Israeli areas.

    BTW am I being antisemitic making these comments?

    She has to go and quickly. She's tainted politically.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Since this thread has morphed into a bit of a slagging the Tories off thread I will join in.

    Anyone got an opinion of Priti Patel?

    Last thing I read was she's coming home early from Africa to face May again. Also she's facing censure over another matter. Apparently she's signed off on giving money to the Israelis army (IDF as in Israeli Defence Force).

    Seems it's under the guise of being for aid in the Golan Heights. Can't the Israelis afford to look after their own in the areas they control? I understand money for Palestinian controlled areas but Israeli areas.

    BTW am I being antisemitic making these comments?

    She has to go and quickly. She's tainted politically.

    Remainers will ensure the score is evened - what happens next is the interesting one
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Game over for Patel. Trying to take everyone down with her is hilarious, if totally stupid.

    On the continent most papers seem to think they can measure the rest of May's tenure in days & weeks.
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Since this thread has morphed into a bit of a slagging the Tories off thread I will join in.

    Anyone got an opinion of Priti Patel?

    Last thing I read was she's coming home early from Africa to face May again. Also she's facing censure over another matter. Apparently she's signed off on giving money to the Israelis army (IDF as in Israeli Defence Force).

    Seems it's under the guise of being for aid in the Golan Heights. Can't the Israelis afford to look after their own in the areas they control? I understand money for Palestinian controlled areas but Israeli areas.

    BTW am I being antisemitic making these comments?

    She has to go and quickly. She's tainted politically.

    Money would be for IDF treating syrian civilians, injured in syria not Israel

    She says FO and No 10 knew, as does an Israeli newspaper.... seems incredible she d do something like this off her own bat... now what if she could prove FO and No 10 were lying???? Toast for May and no jam.

    i dont know what you mean about the thread being a tory bashing fest.....
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    mamba80 wrote:
    i dont know what you mean about the thread being a tory bashing fest.....
    I would have thought that Tory bashing to get people to vote Labour and save the Country was the whole point of this thread. That's right, isn't it? :twisted:
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • narbs
    narbs Posts: 593
    Well, she's arrived at no.10 so I don't think she'll be a minister much longer thankfully.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    And in other news, as the rail strike over 'unsafe' trains with driver operated doors screws things up for hundreds of thousands of commuters, RMT boss Mick Lynch is spotted going to work - on a train with driver operated doors.

    rmtboss1a.jpg

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/on-the-day-before-rail-strike-over-driveronly-trains-rmt-boss-mick-lynch-travels-to-work-on-a3685096.html

    Ah, the rich vein of leftie hypocrisy...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    narbs wrote:
    Well, she's arrived at no.10 so I don't think she'll be a minister much longer thankfully.

    Yep you ve your wish!!!

    Seems unbelievable that a Gov minister can swan around the middle east, visiting no go areas, invite Israeli ministers to Parliament and yet no one in Gov knows what she is doing..... right.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    ...

    Ah, the rich vein of leftie hypocrisy...

    Meanwhile on the other side of the chamber...
    Priti Patel wrote:
    ...That is why reform, transparency and accountability is at the top of my agenda...

    ...except when speaking to her boss. A matching pair.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    And in other news, as the rail strike over 'unsafe' trains with driver operated doors screws things up for hundreds of thousands of commuters, RMT boss Mick Lynch is spotted going to work - on a train with driver operated doors.

    rmtboss1a.jpg

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/on-the-day-before-rail-strike-over-driveronly-trains-rmt-boss-mick-lynch-travels-to-work-on-a3685096.html

    Ah, the rich vein of leftie hypocrisy...

    That's not hypocrisy.
    Irony perhaps. But not hypocrisy.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Is Boris unsackable?
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Until Tory members stop thinking he is electoral catnip, yes.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Electoral catnip? Jeez! Did anyone think that? He's a joke to all I thought it's just that some like his comedic performance.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    And in other news, as the rail strike over 'unsafe' trains with driver operated doors screws things up for hundreds of thousands of commuters, RMT boss Mick Lynch is spotted going to work - on a train with driver operated doors.

    rmtboss1a.jpg

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/on-the-day-before-rail-strike-over-driveronly-trains-rmt-boss-mick-lynch-travels-to-work-on-a3685096.html

    Ah, the rich vein of leftie hypocrisy...

    That's not hypocrisy.
    Irony perhaps. But not hypocrisy.
    I'll go with irony.

    He's still a weapons grade tw@t. Unsafe trains my ar$e.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Don't they have driver controlled doors on trains in most other European countries and even in this one in some franchises? Politics eh!?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Don't they have driver controlled doors on trains in most other European countries and even in this one in some franchises? Politics eh!?
    Yep.

    We've got driverless trains on the DLR but somehow that's OK.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    mamba80 wrote:
    narbs wrote:
    Well, she's arrived at no.10 so I don't think she'll be a minister much longer thankfully.

    Yep you ve your wish!!!

    Seems unbelievable that a Gov minister can swan around the middle east, visiting no go areas, invite Israeli ministers to Parliament and yet no one in Gov knows what she is doing..... right.

    I am sure the SIS would have known where she was and what she ate for brekkie. Wouldn't you guys?
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    And in other news, as the rail strike over 'unsafe' trains with driver operated doors screws things up for hundreds of thousands of commuters, RMT boss Mick Lynch is spotted going to work - on a train with driver operated doors.

    rmtboss1a.jpg

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/on-the-day-before-rail-strike-over-driveronly-trains-rmt-boss-mick-lynch-travels-to-work-on-a3685096.html

    Ah, the rich vein of leftie hypocrisy...

    That's not hypocrisy.
    Irony perhaps. But not hypocrisy.

    I don't know - if you are prepared to inconvenience thousands of people on the basis that trains with driver operated doors are unsafe but are then seen travelling in one in an apparent state of unworried calm seems to suggest that you don't actually think that they are unsafe after all and that maybe you are merely using the issue to your own personal political ends. If he really felt that they were unsafe he wouldn't travel on them. I think hypocrisy is a fairer term than irony.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Don't they have driver controlled doors on trains in most other European countries and even in this one in some franchises? Politics eh!?
    Yep.

    We've got driverless trains on the DLR but somehow that's OK.
    There's an agreement been reached. How can you agree to something you opposed on safety grounds? Is it more safe now you got more money for your lot? What's going on here? It's binary matter, either driver controlled doors are safe or they're not. If they are now they were at the beginning of the dispute so why bring it up? Unless there's some extra safety measure won along with the better pay terms it's all a bit of a hypocritical bollox from the union. At least it shows the unions never play it straight! :)

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