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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Rolf F wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    And in other news, as the rail strike over 'unsafe' trains with driver operated doors screws things up for hundreds of thousands of commuters, RMT boss Mick Lynch is spotted going to work - on a train with driver operated doors.

    rmtboss1a.jpg

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/on-the-day-before-rail-strike-over-driveronly-trains-rmt-boss-mick-lynch-travels-to-work-on-a3685096.html

    Ah, the rich vein of leftie hypocrisy...

    That's not hypocrisy.
    Irony perhaps. But not hypocrisy.

    I don't know - if you are prepared to inconvenience thousands of people on the basis that trains with driver operated doors are unsafe but are then seen travelling in one in an apparent state of unworried calm seems to suggest that you don't actually think that they are unsafe after all and that maybe you are merely using the issue to your own personal political ends. If he really felt that they were unsafe he wouldn't travel on them. I think hypocrisy is a fairer term than irony.

    Mick Cash is getting stick in the story for driving a short distance from his house to a station where he gets a train to work??? If ever there was an article with confected outrage....
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Man negotiates best deal for people who pay him to represent them

    Bastard
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Man negotiates best deal for people who pay him to represent them

    Bastard
    By making life hard for hundreds of thousands of commuters who have nothing to do with the dispute.

    As you say, bastard.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Man extorts best deal for people who pay him to represent them

    Bastard
    FTFY
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    what is he meant to do? get a taxi? he is there to safe guard the jobs and pay of his members and has abided by ALL the relevant laws on calling a strike... so as with your veiws on tax avoidance... if you dont like it, change the law?

    I m quite shocked by the level of over crowding in the piece , people put up with this stuff? no wonder i always use a car.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Man negotiates best deal for people who pay him to represent them

    Bastard
    By making life hard for hundreds of thousands of commuters who have nothing to do with the dispute.

    As you say, bastard.

    Seems the working population are the only ones with a moral imperative to think of the greater good rather than prioritise their own self interest.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    In better TU news Southern Rail have come to an agreement with the drivers TUs.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Man negotiates best deal for people who pay him to represent them

    Bastard
    By making life hard for hundreds of thousands of commuters who have nothing to do with the dispute.

    As you say, bastard.
    Unlike you to be all bleeding heart about it. Oh, won't someone think of the poor commuters? Don't hear you making the same noise about GTR, who also make life hard for commuters and charge them for the privilege.
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    think i d prefer my train late than have Boris trying to "help" me out......

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... iranian-tv

    unbelievable he makes statements to a commons committee without checking the facts first, makes what Priti did, inconsequential.
    Nazanine may well face extra years in jail because of this moron and just what was he doing to help beforehand if he has no clue about the case?
    He is a liability and just shows how weak May really is that he s still FS.
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Don't they have driver controlled doors on trains in most other European countries and even in this one in some franchises? Politics eh!?
    Yep.

    We've got driverless trains on the DLR but somehow that's OK.
    There's an agreement been reached. How can you agree to something you opposed on safety grounds? Is it more safe now you got more money for your lot? What's going on here? It's binary matter, either driver controlled doors are safe or they're not. If they are now they were at the beginning of the dispute so why bring it up? Unless there's some extra safety measure won along with the better pay terms it's all a bit of a hypocritical bollox from the union. At least it shows the unions never play it straight! :)

    There are very few things that are binary in safety and this is not an example. If you take this to the nth degree then you would have a sensor on every door wired to a system to prevent train movement unless all doors are shut. You would then employ a person on each door with a emergency stop button just in case the system above fails to stop the train moving. Then you could add another layer of checking on top with maybe a few other electronic systems to assist just in case. Obviously there is a line to be drawn here between the hazard, the risk of the hazard occurring and the depth of the companies pockets/perception of risk. The unions are arguing about safety in an area where lots of trains currently operate the system proposed. As an engineer if it was risky there would be good data to show this and the unions would publish it hence why I think their view is not sensible nor defensible. For example a driverless train would be safer than a driven train. If we follow this argument then all drivers should be sacked as well. If you really wanted to increase safety on trains then protection from your fellow passengers in the form of a British transport police officer on every train would probably provide a better return on investment alongside the removal of both guards and drivers.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 41956.html

    Little reminder of when Cameron say that Penny Mordaunt was point blank lying about Turkey joining the EU during the referendum.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    john80 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Don't they have driver controlled doors on trains in most other European countries and even in this one in some franchises? Politics eh!?
    Yep.

    We've got driverless trains on the DLR but somehow that's OK.
    There's an agreement been reached. How can you agree to something you opposed on safety grounds? Is it more safe now you got more money for your lot? What's going on here? It's binary matter, either driver controlled doors are safe or they're not. If they are now they were at the beginning of the dispute so why bring it up? Unless there's some extra safety measure won along with the better pay terms it's all a bit of a hypocritical bollox from the union. At least it shows the unions never play it straight! :)

    There are very few things that are binary in safety and this is not an example. If you take this to the nth degree then you would have a sensor on every door wired to a system to prevent train movement unless all doors are shut. You would then employ a person on each door with a emergency stop button just in case the system above fails to stop the train moving. Then you could add another layer of checking on top with maybe a few other electronic systems to assist just in case. Obviously there is a line to be drawn here between the hazard, the risk of the hazard occurring and the depth of the companies pockets/perception of risk. The unions are arguing about safety in an area where lots of trains currently operate the system proposed. As an engineer if it was risky there would be good data to show this and the unions would publish it hence why I think their view is not sensible nor defensible. For example a driverless train would be safer than a driven train. If we follow this argument then all drivers should be sacked as well. If you really wanted to increase safety on trains then protection from your fellow passengers in the form of a British transport police officer on every train would probably provide a better return on investment alongside the removal of both guards and drivers.
    My issue isn't about the safety just about whether there is anything in the agreement between operator and union that makes the trains safer. Nothing is going to be error proofed without great expense that's excessive to the risks. It's just that for the unions to be playing a straight bat (sorry but I could only think of that cricket reference) there had to be some extra measure in the agreement to make things safer. Otherwise it's the usual grubby money grab that is no better than tax avoidance / evasion by the wealthy. It's just a different form of "I'm alright Jack!"

    I often have the feeling that unions are less about protecting employees and more about money grabbing / political influence grabbing. Mr McCluskey is perhaps a good example of the latter. A bit of a political puppet master!
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/penny-mordaunt-andrew-marr-uk-veto-tory-minister-accused-of-flat-out-lying-over-turkey-joining-the-a7041956.html

    Little reminder of when Cameron say that Penny Mordaunt was point blank lying about Turkey joining the EU during the referendum.

    Does show how weak May is, has to consult ReesMogg before making the appt.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    mamba80 wrote:
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
    Why don't you ask someone who is affected by these strikes what they think?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
    Why don't you ask someone who is affected by these strikes what they think?

    Why don't you ask someone on a hospital waiting list what they think of corporate tax avoidance?
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
    Why don't you ask someone who is affected by these strikes what they think?

    Why don't you ask someone on a hospital waiting list what they think of corporate tax avoidance?
    Why focus on a tax that brings in less than 10% of total tax revenues?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
    Why don't you ask someone who is affected by these strikes what they think?
    As one of those I think I've posted my view on this. Frankly it makes little difference whether it's the RMT or GTR. At least the RMT advertise when they are going to prevent a train from turning up. They're made for each other.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
    Why don't you ask someone who is affected by these strikes what they think?

    Why don't you ask someone on a hospital waiting list what they think of corporate tax avoidance?
    Why focus on a tax that brings in less than 10% of total tax revenues?

    Because it's the comparable scenario.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    mamba80 wrote:
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
    This thread has moved on or why else is it acceptable for you and others to bring up the tory party's difficulties? It's become a kind of general politics thread where opposing sides moan about each other's parties and politics.

    So if you accept it's ok for you to take the view Stevo brought it up to distract from tory issues then it implies that this thread has been discussing them. If you discuss them then why not socialism and union activities? After all the thread is about the Labour party and unions are part of the Labour movement. Fair game IMHO. Get over it.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    As implied by the thread title this is the Labour and leftie bashing thread. As the OP I politely request that we keep it on topic. :wink:

    Now, back to those greedy union twunts :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    edited November 2017
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    As implied by the thread title this is the Labour and leftie bashing thread. As the OP I politely request that we keep it on topic. :wink:

    Now, back to those greedy union twunts :)
    I thought greed was good. A great motivator an' all that. Seems to me that GTR are just sh*t at negotiating (and running a railway). Of course it's a spurious reason, so why are GTR still arguing with them about it. As I said, their strike action is actually marginally less disruptive than GTR's random cancellations and delays, so it's not as though they are holding GTR to ransom. The obvious answer is that they don't actually want a resolution. Spurious RMT strike action provides a useful distraction from their own poor performance without making too much of a dent on the bottom line.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    As implied by the thread title this is the Labour and leftie bashing thread. As the OP I politely request that we keep it on topic. :wink:

    Now, back to those greedy union twunts :)
    Correction. The title says we should "Join the Labour Party and save your country".
    No bashing is implied. I am happy to stay on topic. :lol:
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
    This thread has moved on or why else is it acceptable for you and others to bring up the tory party's difficulties? It's become a kind of general politics thread where opposing sides moan about each other's parties and politics.

    So if you accept it's ok for you to take the view Stevo brought it up to distract from tory issues then it implies that this thread has been discussing them. If you discuss them then why not socialism and union activities? After all the thread is about the Labour party and unions are part of the Labour movement. Fair game IMHO. Get over it.

    the union movement is no more to do with Labour than the CBI is to do with the Tory party...

    unfortunately or not, this thread for what stevo initially posted on, has long gone... JC is now mainstream and is a decent bet to win the next GE.... so its morphed into a sort of "go to" general political thread, like MrGoo' has done with his brexit post, Stevo needs to rename his to reflect the current position.

    Of course Stevo doesnt want the political problems of the May Gov discussed, let alone that idiot Boris.... so he brings up the old chestnut that is the rail strike, already well talked about several pages ago....... the rail strikes affect relatively few, where as our UK Gov needs to be strong and able to deliver a decent brexit deal or call the thing off, the present gov's probs really do have long lasting effects on us all, a poxy rail strike doesnt, let along how some fool of a union boss travels to work.... its really pathetic that people like you feed the troll.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    mamba80 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
    This thread has moved on or why else is it acceptable for you and others to bring up the tory party's difficulties? It's become a kind of general politics thread where opposing sides moan about each other's parties and politics.

    So if you accept it's ok for you to take the view Stevo brought it up to distract from tory issues then it implies that this thread has been discussing them. If you discuss them then why not socialism and union activities? After all the thread is about the Labour party and unions are part of the Labour movement. Fair game IMHO. Get over it.

    the union movement is no more to do with Labour than the CBI is to do with the Tory party...

    unfortunately or not, this thread for what stevo initially posted on, has long gone... JC is now mainstream and is a decent bet to win the next GE.... so its morphed into a sort of "go to" general political thread, like MrGoo' has done with his brexit post, Stevo needs to rename his to reflect the current position.

    Of course Stevo doesnt want the political problems of the May Gov discussed, let alone that idiot Boris.... so he brings up the old chestnut that is the rail strike, already well talked about several pages ago....... the rail strikes affect relatively few, where as our UK Gov needs to be strong and able to deliver a decent brexit deal or call the thing off, the present gov's probs really do have long lasting effects on us all, a poxy rail strike doesnt, let along how some fool of a union boss travels to work.... its really pathetic that people like you feed the troll.
    Unlike the political problems of the Labour party, the main one being that they aren't in power :lol:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,329
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    mamba80 wrote:
    this train stuff has sod all to do with the Labour party and Corbyn, Stevo bought it up to deflect from the tories and their internal squabbles
    This thread has moved on or why else is it acceptable for you and others to bring up the tory party's difficulties? It's become a kind of general politics thread where opposing sides moan about each other's parties and politics.

    So if you accept it's ok for you to take the view Stevo brought it up to distract from tory issues then it implies that this thread has been discussing them. If you discuss them then why not socialism and union activities? After all the thread is about the Labour party and unions are part of the Labour movement. Fair game IMHO. Get over it.

    the union movement is no more to do with Labour than the CBI is to do with the Tory party...

    unfortunately or not, this thread for what stevo initially posted on, has long gone... JC is now mainstream and is a decent bet to win the next GE.... so its morphed into a sort of "go to" general political thread, like MrGoo' has done with his brexit post, Stevo needs to rename his to reflect the current position.

    Of course Stevo doesnt want the political problems of the May Gov discussed, let alone that idiot Boris.... so he brings up the old chestnut that is the rail strike, already well talked about several pages ago....... the rail strikes affect relatively few, where as our UK Gov needs to be strong and able to deliver a decent brexit deal or call the thing off, the present gov's probs really do have long lasting effects on us all, a poxy rail strike doesnt, let along how some fool of a union boss travels to work.... its really pathetic that people like you feed the troll.
    Unlike the political problems of the Labour party, the main one being that they aren't in power :lol:
    And therefore can't be blamed for anything.
    Your move...
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status ... 3427450882

    Heseltine is wavering.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,416
    Rick Chasey wrote:


    Heseltine is wavering.
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    He was relevant 40 years ago. A bit like Corbyn.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    ...
    Unlike the political problems of the Labour party, the main one being that they aren't in power :lol:

    Hah. If only someone could plausibly claim to be in power.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,556
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:


    Heseltine is wavering.
    606aaa3ec7c676844952c23c15028dce--hilarious-sarcasm-funny-sarcastic-quotes.jpg

    He was relevant 40 years ago. A bit like Corbyn.

    What's this? Stevo being critical of a Conservative politician? Strange times.
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