Giro D'Italia- Stage 16 ***Spoilers***
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Interesting reading those responses, thanks.
Would have been so much to been able to have watch Hinault and Merckx in the same way as we do now.
I would have been a huge fan.
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frenchfighter wrote:Interesting reading those responses, thanks.
Would have been so much to been able to have watch Hinault and Merckx in the same way as we do now.
Great pictures Frenchie. Some of us are old enough to remember the 70's and 80's. I envied my Dad for growing up in Italy when Coppi, Bartali and Magni were in their pomp.0 -
Comparisons with different eras are difficult, but I'd say it's pretty clear Contador has established himself as best GT rider of his generation. What's more, he's won GTs over a 9 year period, more than Hinault and Merckx ever managed, and you feel he still has another season or two in him0
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Top 20 times up the Mortirolo yesterday:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/Special ... 7978.shtml
1 CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto TCS 00:45:07 15.76
2 KRUIJSWIJK Steven TLJ 00:45:56 15.48
3 LANDA MEANA Mikel AST 00:46:00 15.46
4 CARDOSO Andre F. TCG 00:46:35 15.26
5 HESJEDAL Ryder TCG 00:46:52 15.17
6 TROFIMOV Yury KAT 00:46:54 15.16
7 AMADOR BIKK. Andrey MOV 00:47:42 14.91
8 ARU Fabio AST 00:47:50 14.87
9 CARUSO Damiano BMC 00:48:12 14.75
10 GENIEZ Alexandre FDJ 00:48:20 14.71
11 KONIG Leopold SKY 00:48:23 14.70
12 BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos A. ALM 00:48:41 14.61
13 PIRAZZI Stefano BAR 00:48:53 14.55
14 ATAPUMA HURTADO Darwin BMC 00:49:01 14.51
15 ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor MOV 00:49:10 14.46
16 KANGERT Tanel AST 00:49:37 14.33
17 MONFORT Maxime LTS 00:49:53 14.25
18 VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen LTS 00:49:56 14.24
19 NIEVE ITURALDE Mikel SKY 00:50:13 14.16
20 VISCONTI Giovanni MOV 00:50:43 14.02
Look how much faster Contador was.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Is there a comparison for previous ascents ? Google wasn't my friend.0
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jimmythecuckoo wrote:Is there a comparison for previous ascents ? Google wasn't my friend.
Slow, in short.
But you'd expect that, given how hard they were going at it before they got there.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:jimmythecuckoo wrote:Is there a comparison for previous ascents ? Google wasn't my friend.
Slow, in short.
But you'd expect that, given how hard they were going at it before they got there.
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frenchfighter wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:jimmythecuckoo wrote:Is there a comparison for previous ascents ? Google wasn't my friend.
Slow, in short.
But you'd expect that, given how hard they were going at it before they got there.
http://www.climbing-records.com/2015/05 ... es-on.html
Isn't it great that Jalabert was a better climber than Contador?
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Rick Chasey wrote:jimmythecuckoo wrote:Is there a comparison for previous ascents ? Google wasn't my friend.
Slow, in short.
But you'd expect that, given how hard they were going at it before they got there.
Don't be so rational. The established protocol is to look at climb times totally out of race context and somehow make an inference that based on the times the entire peolton is doped. Giant Trance X 2010
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One way in which I think Contador is definitely different to Merckx and Hinault is that those would never have given up the time bonus for second place yesterday.0
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TheBigBean wrote:One way in which I think Contador is definitely different to Merckx and Hinault is that those would never have given up the time bonus for second place yesterday.
Really - even if they had made a deal?0 -
KnightOfTheLongTights wrote:TheBigBean wrote:One way in which I think Contador is definitely different to Merckx and Hinault is that those would never have given up the time bonus for second place yesterday.
Really - even if they had made a deal?
I'm not an expert, but I'm sure I read that Merckx never gifted stages to any one and Hinault promised to support his team mate Lemond in 1986, and then promptly attacked him.0 -
Of course Indurain was on the juice. He weighed what 20kg more than Contador? And his bike weighed what 2/3kg more? And he still able to climb climber's climb Mortirolo 1.5min faster than Contador..Contador is the Greatest0
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Salsiccia1 wrote:I don't know if Contador is clean, the clen episode suggests not always, but I don't believe he would be anywhere near what Indurain (and others) were up to during that period.
Don't think I buy into this idea that one era was any worse than any other. If it's amphetamines in the 60s, EPO in the 90s or blood doping today, it's still all cheating.
Was Indurain doping during his career? Probably. And has Contador cheated during his career? Also probably. But record books say Indurain has won 7 GTs and Contador 6, so as far as this thread is concerned, I'll go along with that. I'm sure others will not...0 -
greasedscotsman wrote:Salsiccia1 wrote:I don't know if Contador is clean, the clen episode suggests not always, but I don't believe he would be anywhere near what Indurain (and others) were up to during that period.
Don't think I buy into this idea that one era was any worse than any other. If it's amphetamines in the 60s, EPO in the 90s or blood doping today, it's still all cheating.
Was Indurain doping during his career? Probably. And has Contador cheated during his career? Also probably. But record books say Indurain has won 7 GTs and Contador 6, so as far as this thread is concerned, I'll go along with that. I'm sure others will not...
Not sure that first paragraph is completely true. From memory amphetamines weren't banned in the 60s. I could be wrong and there was just no testing but if that's right then it would be the equivalent of something like supplements today where riders take them hoping for a performance gain in the knowledge they aren't against the rules.0 -
Art. 12.1.040 / 24
Non-regulation supply of refreshments.
200 CHF fine
Sport Director
WHITE Matthews, AUS19740222, Orica GreenEDGE
Art. 12.1.040 / 25
Breach of regulations concerning vehicle movements during the race (3rd team car).
200 fine
Sport Directors
BAFFI Adriano, ITA19620807, Trek Factroy Racing
WEGELIUS Charly, GBR19780426, Team Cannondale - Garmin
Art. 12.1.040 / 37bis
Mechanical assistance, refreshments and behaviour of a Sport Director and/or rider that damage the image of cycling.
100 fine
Riders
31 BONGIORNO Francesco, ITA19900901, Bardiani CSF
54 MATYSIAK Bartlomiej, POL19840911, CCC Sprandi Polkowice
100 CHF for the above-mentioned breach
Sport Directors
REVERBERI Roberto, ITA19640816, Bardiani CSF
MISSAGLIA Gabriele, ITA19700724, CCC Sprandi Polkowice
Art. 12.1.040 / 7
Putting on or taking off a garment against the regulations.
50 CHF fine
Rider
139 WEENING Pieter, NED19810405, Orica GreenEDGE
200 CHF for the above-mentioned breach
Sport Director
WHITE Matthews, AUS19740222, Orica GreenEDGE
Art. 12.1.040 / 11.1.2
Pushing off against car, motorbike, rider - stage races.
50 CHF fine, 5 penalty points in the points classification and 10” per offence.
Riders
6 GRETSCH Patrick GER19870727 AG2R La Mondiale
44 BURGHARDT Marcus GER19830630 BMC Racing Team
46 DILLIER Silvan SUI19900803 BMC Racing Team
54 MATYSIAK Bartlomiej POL19840911 CCC Sprandi Polkowice
59 SZMYD Sylvester POL19780302 CCC Sprandi Polkowice
73 ELISSONDE Kenny FRA19919722 FDJ
100 VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen BEL19830201 Lotto Soudal
166 HAGA Chad USA19880826 Team Giant - Alpecin
185 KEIZER Martijn NED19880325 Team Lotto NL - Jumbo
195 KONIG Leopold CZE19871115 Team Sky
211 NIZZOLO Giacomo ITA19890130 Trek Factory Racing
216 SILVESTRE Fabio POR19900125 Trek Factory Racing
100 CHF fine, 10 penalty points in the points classification and 20” per offence.
Riders
97 POLANC Jan SLO19920506 Lampre - Merida
144 FAVILLI Elia ITA19890131 Southeast
146 GAVAZZI Francesco ITA19840801 Southeast
214 COLEDAN Marco ITA19880822 Trek Factory RacingContador is the Greatest0 -
Are the folks in bold your men FF?
Seriously though, König is well peeved with that fine ...
@LeopoldKonig
If anyone saw me yesterday holding onto a car(including jury), gonna pay him 100k €..0 -
Contador is a legend.Whether it was karma or mischievous intent we were treated to a real race - a proper old school, to the death, battle between the favourites and all the contenders found themselves caught up in it too. It was truly excellent. I don't think I've seen a better spectacle than the Mortirolo stage in the last five years.
The only day remotely comparable was Contador's stage 17 of the 2012 Vuelta when he destroyed Joaquim Rodriguez. That was another of the epic days when the race was seemingly being directed by Noah and at the end the surviving animals come in two by two. In fact Conador's control of the Mortirolo situation was way more impressive. The physical aspect of his ride was great but his mental strength not to panic, use his teammates and then set about rejoining Landa and Fabio Aru was very impressive, and very calculated.
Then for him to see off a slightly vulnerable Aru bordered on it becoming an exhibition of why you shouldn't play rough unless you can take the punches, especially the low ones.
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Pross wrote:Not sure that first paragraph is completely true. From memory amphetamines weren't banned in the 60s. I could be wrong and there was just no testing but if that's right then it would be the equivalent of something like supplements today where riders take them hoping for a performance gain in the knowledge they aren't against the rules.
Thought someone might make a comment on that as I wasn't quite sure when doping controls came in for it. I thought they were just after Simpson had died. Anyway, for the point I was trying to make, how about I say If it's amphetamines in the 80s, EPO in the 90s or blood doping today, it's still all cheating.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Art. 12.1.040 / 7
Putting on or taking off a garment against the regulations.
50 CHF fine
Rider
139 WEENING Pieter, NED19810405, Orica GreenEDGE
200 CHF for the above-mentioned breach
Sport Director
WHITE Matthews, AUS19740222, Orica GreenEDGE
CHF 50 seems too lenient for such a heinous crime0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Contador is a legend.I don't think I've seen a better spectacle than the Mortirolo stage in the last five years.
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Then for him to see off a slightly vulnerable Aru bordered on it becoming an exhibition of why you shouldn't play rough unless you can take the punches, especially the low ones.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/robert ... roportions
Robert Millar writes more better than most of the pro scribblers....a rare 100% loyal Pro Race poster. A poster boy for the community.0 -
frenchfighter wrote:Top 20 times up the Mortirolo yesterday:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/Special ... 7978.shtml
1 CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto TCS 00:45:07 15.76
2 KRUIJSWIJK Steven TLJ 00:45:56 15.48
3 LANDA MEANA Mikel AST 00:46:00 15.46
4 CARDOSO Andre F. TCG 00:46:35 15.26
5 HESJEDAL Ryder TCG 00:46:52 15.17
6 TROFIMOV Yury KAT 00:46:54 15.16
7 AMADOR BIKK. Andrey MOV 00:47:42 14.91
8 ARU Fabio AST 00:47:50 14.87
9 CARUSO Damiano BMC 00:48:12 14.75
10 GENIEZ Alexandre FDJ 00:48:20 14.71
11 KONIG Leopold SKY 00:48:23 14.70
12 BETANCUR GOMEZ Carlos A. ALM 00:48:41 14.61
13 PIRAZZI Stefano BAR 00:48:53 14.55
14 ATAPUMA HURTADO Darwin BMC 00:49:01 14.51
15 ANTON HERNANDEZ Igor MOV 00:49:10 14.46
16 KANGERT Tanel AST 00:49:37 14.33
17 MONFORT Maxime LTS 00:49:53 14.25
18 VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen LTS 00:49:56 14.24
19 NIEVE ITURALDE Mikel SKY 00:50:13 14.16
20 VISCONTI Giovanni MOV 00:50:43 14.02
Look how much faster Contador was.
Interesting rider in 4th. Cardoso from Garmin. Particularly given he finished 14mins down and don't think he was pacing Hesjedal.
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I'm off to do this insane climb in 2 weeks. I can't resist. Although, I will probably regret it very early on!0
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@olegtinkov 2h2 hours ago
Was I the only one who spotted how #Astana was bringing Landa back? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OorRmKbFW20&sns=em … please see1:14:00
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frenchfighter wrote:@olegtinkov 2h2 hours ago
Was I the only one who spotted how #Astana was bringing Landa back? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OorRmKbFW20&sns=em … please see1:14:00
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Which brings us full circle to the handing out of penalties and the inconsistency.“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
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Footnote to this stage...
Today I rode up the Mortirolo climb - following the same route that the Giro went up. I'm only staying 3km away from the start of the climb, so was very fresh when I started!
It is, by far, the most gruesome thing I have ever done. I'm obviously hampered by only having the one leg to work with, plus carrying far more weight than a Pro cyclist - but DAMN it was tough.
As I rode up I could picture images from the race in my mind - picking out points I remember from the TV coverage. I have an even greater respect for the riders going up it full blast near the end of a long stage.
Contador got up in in around 45 mins. It took me an hour and a half. Might have managed it a bit faster with more appropriate gearing and if I wasn't in searing pain in my leg most of the way!
Anway - made a video of the descent afterwards. Went down a slightly different route than the way I went up. But gives you an idea of what it's like!
Only 4 mins long: https://youtu.be/tXfZv2zRRSA0
