BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime0 -
surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.0 -
fom would restore the rights uk people lost, there'd be some outflowJezyboy said:I suspect the anti argument would be that we would end up with 1m net immigration, because we have 700,000 at the minute and FoM could add 300k to that potentially.
1 million would be quite a weighty number.
even now i know people moving to eu, with fom that's bound to increase
many of the positions once filled by eu nationals have either vanished due to economic damage of brexit/covid/war/government, or filled by others whether uk or migrants on permits, i'd think most inward flow would initially be filling shortages, which is economically beneficial, especially for all the brexit-voting farmers who then whined about lack of pickers, vets etc.
most immigration is legal, seems likely that if eu increased, then non-eu would decrease as uk would no longer need to issue all those work permits and visas
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.
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I'm curious as to what media I should be looking at as a quick Google suggests everyone thinks he has a chance. The only variable is how high a chance.surrey_commuter said:
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Disagreesurrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Agree
Depends on the definition of rejoin.
Trump looks the most likely candidate for the republicans, and you always have a chance in a 2 horse race.
The EU has weathered Brexit well, I think there are challenges up ahead with the far right, but I don't see it being an existential threat.
I suspect whatever happens to the Tories post election, there will be a more prominent right wing pro Europe school of thought. I think further softening of relations will follow, although I don't think it will be full membership.
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keep up at the back!!!pblakeney said:
I'm curious as to what media I should be looking at as a quick Google suggests everyone thinks he has a chance. The only variable is how high a chance.surrey_commuter said:
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.
It is not whether he gets in (50/50) but;
"Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form."0 -
surrey_commuter said:
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.
Republicans warning about Trump include many of the people who worked for him 2016-2020, including attorneys who worked for him, and Senators Romney, Kinsinger and Cheney.
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My mistake. Must learn comprehension!surrey_commuter said:
keep up at the back!!!pblakeney said:
I'm curious as to what media I should be looking at as a quick Google suggests everyone thinks he has a chance. The only variable is how high a chance.surrey_commuter said:
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.
It is not whether he gets in (50/50) but;
"Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form."0 -
The two go hand in hand imo.surrey_commuter said:
keep up at the back!!!pblakeney said:
I'm curious as to what media I should be looking at as a quick Google suggests everyone thinks he has a chance. The only variable is how high a chance.surrey_commuter said:
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.
It is not whether he gets in (50/50) but;
"Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form."The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The US Constitution has checks and balances to stop bad things happeningpblakeney said:
The two go hand in hand imo.surrey_commuter said:
keep up at the back!!!pblakeney said:
I'm curious as to what media I should be looking at as a quick Google suggests everyone thinks he has a chance. The only variable is how high a chance.surrey_commuter said:
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.
It is not whether he gets in (50/50) but;
"Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form."
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The US Constitution has checks and balances to stop bad things happeningpblakeney said:
The two go hand in hand imo.surrey_commuter said:
keep up at the back!!!pblakeney said:
I'm curious as to what media I should be looking at as a quick Google suggests everyone thinks he has a chance. The only variable is how high a chance.surrey_commuter said:
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.
It is not whether he gets in (50/50) but;
"Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form."
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I give you 06/01/2021 as a taster.surrey_commuter said:
The US Constitution has checks and balances to stop bad things happeningpblakeney said:
The two go hand in hand imo.surrey_commuter said:
keep up at the back!!!pblakeney said:
I'm curious as to what media I should be looking at as a quick Google suggests everyone thinks he has a chance. The only variable is how high a chance.surrey_commuter said:
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.
It is not whether he gets in (50/50) but;
"Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form."
Not to mention what world events he would begin/antagonise/escalate.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Go on, remind me what happened on that date and then we can check outthe long term consequencespblakeney said:
I give you 06/01/2021 as a taster.surrey_commuter said:
The US Constitution has checks and balances to stop bad things happeningpblakeney said:
The two go hand in hand imo.surrey_commuter said:
keep up at the back!!!pblakeney said:
I'm curious as to what media I should be looking at as a quick Google suggests everyone thinks he has a chance. The only variable is how high a chance.surrey_commuter said:
I gently suggest that your choice of media consumption is giving you a jaundiced view of the world and you refute it by quoting a group of nutters called "Republicans Against Trump"briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
I think you need to jolly well cheer up and maybe change your media consumption.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
That's based on the assumption that the EU will last that long, at least in a form that is vaguely similar to what there's today. 50 years is a long time. Long enough for most of us to be dead by then.briantrumpet said:I just wonder if Rees-Smug's projection of seeing the benefits of Brexit within 50 years might come true... if within that 50 years the UK does re-join the SM and free movement returns with the toxicity largely removed because of the failure of the Brexit experiment.
Seems about the right timescale, but hopefully sooner.
Maybe re the EU, but I suspect that whatever happens, in the long term it won't be based on putting up barriers between nearby wealthy trading blocs, given that the general momentum has been to removing artificial barriers over the past several centuries.
Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form.
I'd just like to see a slightly more rational and tolerant world before I die, rather than the one the current Republican and Tory parties seem to want. But I might have to accept that the world has gone mad and retreat (when the time comes) to where it can't get me. ⚰️
To get you under way here are some FACTS!!!
The USA is under no threat from 4 years of Trump.
The EU will not cease to exist that is just lunatic whatabbouttery from Brexiteers
You need to accept that we will not rejoin the EU in your lifetime
Several conservative commentators (including those who served under GWB) disagree with you.
Re EU - that's why I referenced JRM's 50-year timescale. I'll be happy if I witness the movement back to pragmatism on improving the relationship with the EU: SM & CU would be splendid enough for starters.
It is not whether he gets in (50/50) but;
"Mind you, if Trump gets back in, I'm not sure that the US is guaranteed a future either in its current form."
Not to mention what world events he would begin/antagonise/escalate.0 -
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get off my hobbyhorserick_chasey said:Ukraine is f@cked if Trump wins
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Good news. Tory minister hails deal with the EU by which the UK makes a multi-billion-£ contribution in order to participate in mutually beneficial programmes. Maybe the idea will catch on.Speaking to reporters on a visit to Brussels to mark the occasion, U.K. Science Minister Michelle Donelan described the agreement to join the program as “a bespoke deal.”
“Our association with Horizon gives us a seat at the table in the world's largest research collaboration program,” she said.
“So there's good news for scientists, for researchers, up and down the country in the U.K. We're delighted that we've managed to get to a point where we reached an agreement.”
The Cabinet minister conceded that the U.K. would not have voting rights in the scheme under the agreement, but noted that when the U.K. was last a member of the program it led 25 percent of the projects it participated in.
Britain is set to contribute around €2.43 billion per year on average to the EU budget for its participation in the program, as well as roughly €154 million for membership of the Copernicus earth observation program.0 -
Interesting article in the famously pro-Brexit Guardian about why we won't be rejoining. Seems quite balanced to me.
https://msn.com/en-gb/money/other/i-ve-got-news-for-those-who-say-brexit-is-a-disaster-it-isn-t-that-s-why-rejoining-is-just-a-pipe-dream/ar-AA1l19kk?cvid=c200ed369d2a4da9839d1859f5e1e922&ocid=winp2fptaskbarent&ei=6"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Larry Elliot is probably Corbyn's favourite economics writer.Stevo_666 said:Interesting article in the famously pro-Brexit Guardian about why we won't be rejoining. Seems quite balanced to me.
https://msn.com/en-gb/money/other/i-ve-got-news-for-those-who-say-brexit-is-a-disaster-it-isn-t-that-s-why-rejoining-is-just-a-pipe-dream/ar-AA1l19kk?cvid=c200ed369d2a4da9839d1859f5e1e922&ocid=winp2fptaskbarent&ei=6
If you were going to persuade @surrey_commuter that you are deep down a right winger and haven't followed the Tory party down the (old fashioned view of) left wing populism, you're not doing a very good job.0 -
mentally change his avatar to a pic of Ed Milibandrick_chasey said:
Larry Elliot is probably Corbyn's favourite economics writer.Stevo_666 said:Interesting article in the famously pro-Brexit Guardian about why we won't be rejoining. Seems quite balanced to me.
https://msn.com/en-gb/money/other/i-ve-got-news-for-those-who-say-brexit-is-a-disaster-it-isn-t-that-s-why-rejoining-is-just-a-pipe-dream/ar-AA1l19kk?cvid=c200ed369d2a4da9839d1859f5e1e922&ocid=winp2fptaskbarent&ei=6
If you were going to persuade @surrey_commuter that you are deep down a right winger and haven't followed the Tory party down the (old fashioned view of) left wing populism, you're not doing a very good job.0 -
I don't care whose favourite economics wroter he is, he seems to have got it right in this specific case. Which specific bits of the article do you disagree with?rick_chasey said:
Larry Elliot is probably Corbyn's favourite economics writer.Stevo_666 said:Interesting article in the famously pro-Brexit Guardian about why we won't be rejoining. Seems quite balanced to me.
https://msn.com/en-gb/money/other/i-ve-got-news-for-those-who-say-brexit-is-a-disaster-it-isn-t-that-s-why-rejoining-is-just-a-pipe-dream/ar-AA1l19kk?cvid=c200ed369d2a4da9839d1859f5e1e922&ocid=winp2fptaskbarent&ei=6
If you were going to persuade @surrey_commuter that you are deep down a right winger and haven't followed the Tory party down the (old fashioned view of) left wing populism, you're not doing a very good job."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
He seems to be echoing many on here who have said it's not a catastrophe but things are just a bit shitter than they would be (and with no real benefits).Stevo_666 said:
I don't care whose favourite economics wroter he is, he seems to have got it right in this specific case. Which specific bits of the article do you disagree with?rick_chasey said:
Larry Elliot is probably Corbyn's favourite economics writer.Stevo_666 said:Interesting article in the famously pro-Brexit Guardian about why we won't be rejoining. Seems quite balanced to me.
https://msn.com/en-gb/money/other/i-ve-got-news-for-those-who-say-brexit-is-a-disaster-it-isn-t-that-s-why-rejoining-is-just-a-pipe-dream/ar-AA1l19kk?cvid=c200ed369d2a4da9839d1859f5e1e922&ocid=winp2fptaskbarent&ei=6
If you were going to persuade @surrey_commuter that you are deep down a right winger and haven't followed the Tory party down the (old fashioned view of) left wing populism, you're not doing a very good job.
As usual no mention of what these mysterious "opportunities" might be.
Brexit provided opportunities to do things differently but those opportunities have so far not been exploited.
The last 5 paragraphs are a bizarre take on how we have high immigration but that hasn't resulted in a right wing government. Eh?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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As usual no mention of what these mysterious "opportunities" might be.pangolin said:
He seems to be echoing many on here who have said it's not a catastrophe but things are just a bit shitter than they would be (and with no real benefits).Stevo_666 said:
I don't care whose favourite economics wroter he is, he seems to have got it right in this specific case. Which specific bits of the article do you disagree with?rick_chasey said:
Larry Elliot is probably Corbyn's favourite economics writer.Stevo_666 said:Interesting article in the famously pro-Brexit Guardian about why we won't be rejoining. Seems quite balanced to me.
https://msn.com/en-gb/money/other/i-ve-got-news-for-those-who-say-brexit-is-a-disaster-it-isn-t-that-s-why-rejoining-is-just-a-pipe-dream/ar-AA1l19kk?cvid=c200ed369d2a4da9839d1859f5e1e922&ocid=winp2fptaskbarent&ei=6
If you were going to persuade @surrey_commuter that you are deep down a right winger and haven't followed the Tory party down the (old fashioned view of) left wing populism, you're not doing a very good job.
Brexit provided opportunities to do things differently but those opportunities have so far not been exploited.
The last 5 paragraphs are a bizarre take on how we have high immigration but that hasn't resulted in a right wing government. Eh?
Did you deliberately miss the point of the article? Which was that we won't be rejoining the EU.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Be careful what you wish for. He has an agenda, and I just have a suspicion it's not one you'd like.Stevo_666 said:
Did you deliberately miss the point of the article? Which was that we won't be rejoining the EU.
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Ah sorry Stevo when you asked which bits people disagreed with you forgot to make it multiple choice so I thought we were allowed to pick.Stevo_666 said:
Did you deliberately miss the point of the article? Which was that we won't be rejoining the EU.
- Genesis Croix de Fer
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When you look at the increase in state intervention he was not wrongbriantrumpet said:
Be careful what you wish for. He has an agenda, and I just have a suspicion it's not one you'd like.Stevo_666 said:
Did you deliberately miss the point of the article? Which was that we won't be rejoining the EU.0 -
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
The EU has a agreed a three year extension on car tariffs at the last minute. Very predictable.
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Apology accepted Pango. I did however make clear the point that I was making in my post above. Maybe you just didn't understand.pangolin said:
Ah sorry Stevo when you asked which bits people disagreed with you forgot to make it multiple choice so I thought we were allowed to pick.Stevo_666 said:
Did you deliberately miss the point of the article? Which was that we won't be rejoining the EU."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Big back down by the EU so won't be discussed much on here.TheBigBean said:The EU has a agreed a three year extension on car tariffs at the last minute. Very predictable.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
