BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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At least we have got our blue passports.0
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Once I stop posting stuff about beneficial UK trade deals that get people all defensive about the EU it'll die down againbriantrumpet said:Great to see the efforts to keep this thread trending 😃
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I'd call it a margin-of-error trade deal, but full credit for reviving the thread with it, thanks.0
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Glad you admit that it needs reviving. Wonder why it does?briantrumpet said:I'd call it a margin-of-error trade deal, but full credit for reviving the thread with it, thanks.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Nah, Dover has shown it's still not over by a long chalk, but you've given me the weekend off with your regular commenting. I've been out walking and riding my bike instead.0
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The total ignorance of the gravity of trade is infuriating as it’s one of the few things economists can actually be sure about.0
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One thing we have learned is the total ignorance of economics.rick_chasey said:The total ignorance of the gravity of trade is infuriating as it’s one of the few things economists can actually be sure about.
They don’t understand enough to question why regional trade pacts exist and why countries don’t join ones outside of their own area0 -
It would be good if the government acknowledged this.Stevo_666 said:
There were pluses and minuses to the whole thing.wallace_and_gromit said:
True. But as a nation, we can't control the Frenchies going on strike. But as a nation, we had the right to unfettered passage across the border when the Frenchies were working, but we gave away that right, seemingly just so we could get angry more often.Stevo_666 said:
It's no different to when they go on strike, which has happened for decades and seems to happen more often than school holidays.wallace_and_gromit said:
The question for Brexiteers is thus "Why put yourselves in the position of being reliant on the French for favours at busy times?"Stevo_666 said:
Better ask them. Maybe the French border force should staff up a bit in busy times...surrey_commuter said:
My memory must be playing tricks with me as I would have said that by the mid/late '80s you needed to do no more that wave a passport in the general direction of passport control. ie nobody under 40 appreciated the EU as they could not remember life before it.rick_chasey said:On the Dover queues.
Do people not remember that having to stamp all your passports and having a "hard border" slows everything down?
This was always going to be the scenario. Everyone who had done more than 3 minutes of reading could see that, as did the government, hence all the additional parking spaces for lorries all over Kent.
@Stevo_666 how did Brexiteers think the borders were going to remain seamless for Brits?
What's good about increasing the number of things that can blow up and leave folk stranded in massive queues when trying to go on hols? Frenchies on strike = bad. Frenchies on strike or passport checking process overwhelmed => even badder, surely.
For interest, what do you see as the pluses and minuses? Or more accurately, the minuses and pluses, to acknowledge that the minuses, on the whole, occur a lot earlier than the pluses.
And when do you think the aggregate impact of the pluses will offset the aggregate impact of the minuses?
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brexiters, tories mps and ministers made various provably untrue claims in their praise of blue passports, are you agreeing that they were lying?Stevo_666 said:
Who actually says that and means it?webboo said:At least we have got our blue passports.
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The return of the navy cover, first used in 1921, is being hailed as a victory by pro-Brexit MPs, who had campaigned for a return to the colour.
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Brandon Lewis, the immigration minister, said: “Leaving the EU gives us a unique opportunity to restore our national identity and forge a new path for ourselves in the world.
“That is why I am delighted to announce that the British passport will be returning to the iconic blue and gold design after we have left the European Union in 2019.”
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Under a system first agreed by Margaret Thatcher’s government in 1981, Britain is not legally obliged to use the same burgundy design as most other members but agreed to do so in a joint resolution of member states in the European council.
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Speaking in April, the Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell said the burgundy EU passport had been a source of national “humiliation”.
“The restoration of our own British passport is a clear statement to the world that Britain is back. Our British identity was slowly but surely being submerged into an artificial European one that most Brits felt increasingly unhappy about,” he told Press Association.
“The humiliation of having a pink European Union passport will now soon be over and the United Kingdom nationals can once again feel pride and self-confidence in their own nationality when travelling, just as the Swiss and Americans can do.
“National identity matters and there is no better way of demonstrating this today than by bringing back this much-loved national symbol when travelling overseas.”my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
sungod said:
brexiters, tories mps and ministers made various provably untrue claims in their praise of blue passports, are you agreeing that they were lying?Stevo_666 said:
Who actually says that and means it?webboo said:At least we have got our blue passports.
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The return of the navy cover, first used in 1921, is being hailed as a victory by pro-Brexit MPs, who had campaigned for a return to the colour.
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Brandon Lewis, the immigration minister, said: “Leaving the EU gives us a unique opportunity to restore our national identity and forge a new path for ourselves in the world.
“That is why I am delighted to announce that the British passport will be returning to the iconic blue and gold design after we have left the European Union in 2019.”
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Under a system first agreed by Margaret Thatcher’s government in 1981, Britain is not legally obliged to use the same burgundy design as most other members but agreed to do so in a joint resolution of member states in the European council.
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Speaking in April, the Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell said the burgundy EU passport had been a source of national “humiliation”.
“The restoration of our own British passport is a clear statement to the world that Britain is back. Our British identity was slowly but surely being submerged into an artificial European one that most Brits felt increasingly unhappy about,” he told Press Association.
“The humiliation of having a pink European Union passport will now soon be over and the United Kingdom nationals can once again feel pride and self-confidence in their own nationality when travelling, just as the Swiss and Americans can do.
“National identity matters and there is no better way of demonstrating this today than by bringing back this much-loved national symbol when travelling overseas.”
Call that evidence, huh? 😜0 -
You seem confused. I don't think I've ever claimed a win because I've wound someone up. You've done it plenty of times.Stevo_666 said:
That should be something you're familiar with. Try another thread if you can't do better than some half arsed trolling.pangolin said:
Ah yes, "bothering" people as a metric of success.Stevo_666 said:
A classic response when someone can't answer the question, although ìn this case it wasn't even directed at you, so something seems to have bothered you herepangolin said:Stevo_666 said:
So there will be some evidence that she has lied then? Let's see it.Pross said:
It’s pretty compelling when it comes to lying.Stevo_666 said:
Unfortunately that is not evidence.rick_chasey said:
But, but, it's the nasty TorwiesStevo_666 said:
She was pretty specific about them. Got any evidence to say that she is wrong or lying?rick_chasey said:
Have they though?Stevo_666 said:
They have clearly omitted some important factorsthere.rick_chasey said:
You trust Badenoch more than her advisors?Stevo_666 said:
I'm not so sure about whether that is the case that it is 'just a rounding error, given the recent statement by Kemi Badenoch rubbishing her own departments forecasts on this - as I pointed out upthread, it looked way too conservative ('scuse the pun). I know a few people latched onto that conservative forecast with ill disguised glee, but she is head of the department so knows better than some randoms on a bike forum:wallace_and_gromit said:
Perhaps you can return the favour and acknowledge the caveat I included, namely that the new deal is no more than a rounding error in terms of its upside relative to the downside of Brexit (in GDP terms).Stevo_666 said:
He agreed with me on the point I was making.Pross said:
Love the way you ignore the rest of the response.Stevo_666 said:
Thank you - we agree then. That's really the case I was making, but as expected too many seemed to take this as an assault on the apparently faultless EU arrangements that used to be in place.wallace_and_gromit said:
Definitely join it.Stevo_666 said:
But you are still connecting the two deals when it is not an either/or decision.wallace_and_gromit said:
I appreciate that and tbh, I’m more to your “non-pessimistic” view on the whole thing than many here. But even if the adverse impact of Brexit is over stated 2x and the benefit of the new deal understated 10x then the net impact is -2% plus 1% ie still a net negative.Stevo_666 said:
I am simply trying to bring a bit of perspective to it in terms of potential scale, if that helps to clarify the point.wallace_and_gromit said:
The quoted 0.08% of gdp benefit is the incremental impact not the overall value of trade with the countries concerned post-deal.Stevo_666 said:
Given that exports to CPTPP countries already exceed £60bn a year its hard to see how that estimate is anything other than conservative. Either that or the estimates of the impact from Brexit of 4% are likely overblown. And the estimate will be before you've taken into account likely new entrants to the CPTPP.monkimark said:Over 10 years according the the government's own figures
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65124741
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And even with some gains in trading the government only estimates it will add 0.08% to the size of the economy in 10 years.
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On what basis and over what period?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I wish I could predict the future like you Brian. I've already set out the likely long term benefits, but you appear to be stuck in the old 'the only good trade deal is with the EU' mindset. Time to broaden your horizons I think.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:More opinions
from the press which paint a positive picture...
The announcement that the UK is to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans Pacific Partnership is a huge achievement. It should not be underestimated. This will open up free trade between the UK and 11 economies in the Indo Pacific region. It means free trade not just with Australia and New Zealand but with countries like Japan, Canada and Mexico, as well as Singapore and Vietnam. It will in time prove transformational for the British economy.
These countries have a population of 500 million and a GDP of $9 trillion. Japan is the third largest economy in the world. Of the others, many are fast growing and progressive economies, and then there are the more traditional, stable, developed economies of Australia, Canada and Singapore.
The UK will be in a unique position. It already has a free trade agreement with the EU which may not be quite as liberal as being a member of the single market, but nevertheless gives the UK tariff and quota free access to the EU market, as well as being able to import from the EU duty-free. No country has freer trade with the EU than the UK. Add to that free trade with 500 million people in the Indo-Pacific and the UK has amongst the best trading arrangements of any country on earth.
At the moment, the UK’s trade with the CPTPP countries constitutes just 7.8 per cent of its total trade. Critics may think that is unimportant, but remember: these countries are some of the most economically dynamic on earth. It is estimated that by 2030, 65 per cent of the world’s middle-class consumers will be in the Indo Pacific region. So for the naysayers who think the CPTPP may not be important to the British economy, let me remind them that the growth on trade with those 11 economies is already running at around 8 per cent a year.
Once trade barriers are torn down, expect that trade to grow a great deal faster. And while we have no idea how well British exporters will fare in those Indo Pacific markets, the opportunities have now opened up as never before. Getting into the CPTPP is not just beneficial in the short-term, it is locking the British economy into the most economically dynamic region in the world. It constitutes a very serious investment in the future.
Added to the trade statistics, it is important to remember that UK service suppliers are already deeply integrated with the Indo Pacific region. UK service suppliers exported nearly £30 billion worth of services to CPTPP members in 2019.
Also a reminder that we do have a free trade deal with EU which is better than any other country, according to the article.
Not bad for a bunch of alleged f***wits
I wish I could get as glowing a report for improving my performance by 0.1% over the next decade.
0.08%
Alternatively can I borrow your time machine and travel to the future?
Also worth noting that it covers services which is a plus point given the size of the UK services sector.
I suspect you know this already though, being a bright “numbers man”.
So it’s easy to see why folk here do not share your enthusiasm. You can’t simply dismiss leaving the eu as a historical aberration; one of the reasons given for leaving was to be able to do big trade deals elsewhere, so the impact of leaving has to be factored into any assessment of the impact of a new deal.
Forget the EU for a minute, we have done what we have done and it isn't likely to change in the short or medium term. Based on what you know and looking just at the CPTPP, do you think we should go ahead and sign up it?
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/04/02/indo-pacific-trade-deal-cptpp-brexit-britain/
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Badenoch rails against a Whitehall forecast, published several years ago, estimating that CPTPP membership will boost UK GDP by a paltry 0.08pc. “I can’t stand this estimate, even though it came from my department,” she says. “It’s a stale, static, out-of-date assessment that assumes growth is linear and businesses won’t use CPTPP to really expand”.
Warming to her theme, Badenoch perhaps unknowingly paraphrases Wayne Gretzky. “Demand from the CPTPP countries is expected to far outstrip growth from Europe,” she argues. “So this deal will bring the UK significant economic growth if we use it properly – this is all about where the world is heading”.
What’s clear is that downbeat Whitehall forecasts don’t consider that other countries could soon join the CPTPP – with major economies including Taiwan and South Korea expressing serious interest. And the US could also end up rejoining in the years to come – which, according to Falconer, “could well mean we don’t then need to seek our own bilateral deal with the US”.
Anyhow, you are ddraver and ICMFP
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Burgundy passports a source of ‘national humiliation’ 😂😂😂😂
What a country we live in. This is so cringeworthy and embarrassing it’s making my teeth itch.
I’m one of the casualties in the Brexiteers disdain for gravity of trade. I may have mentioned it once or twice….😂0 -
They're pink apparently. As you may recall from the documentary Reservoir Dogs no-one wanted to be Mr Pink Passport.skyblueamateur said:Burgundy passports a source of ‘national humiliation’ 😂😂😂😂
What a country we live in. This is so cringeworthy and embarrassing it’s making my teeth itch.
I’m one of the casualties in the Brexiteers disdain for gravity of trade. I may have mentioned it once or twice….😂0 -
in the late 70s, i used to have a vivienne westwood dayglo pink tigerstripe t-shirtPross said:
They're pink apparently. As you may recall from the documentary Reservoir Dogs no-one wanted to be Mr Pink Passport.skyblueamateur said:Burgundy passports a source of ‘national humiliation’ 😂😂😂😂
What a country we live in. This is so cringeworthy and embarrassing it’s making my teeth itch.
I’m one of the casualties in the Brexiteers disdain for gravity of trade. I may have mentioned it once or twice….😂
it was glorious
also had a dayglo green one, but pink was best
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The Government seem to have quietly dropped the Retained EU law bill.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
tailwindhome said:
The Government seem to have quietly dropped the Retained EU law bill.
I'd read somewhere that it was being delayed by six months, but dropping it is even better news, if true. It was purely ignorant wrecking legislation, with no assessment of the actual consequences, like Brexit itself. It would be nice if pragmatism became more common, now that Johnson and his die-hard disciples seem to be (mostly) fading forces.
I'd like to think that in the not-too-distant future historians will look back on this episode and find it hard to explain WTF happened to the UK in such a short space of time.0 -
I am SHOCKED.tailwindhome said:The Government seem to have quietly dropped the Retained EU law bill.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I'm not confused - its pretty obvious you're trying to troll, just not very successfully.pangolin said:
You seem confused. I don't think I've ever claimed a win because I've wound someone up. You've done it plenty of times.Stevo_666 said:
That should be something you're familiar with. Try another thread if you can't do better than some half arsed trolling.pangolin said:
Ah yes, "bothering" people as a metric of success.Stevo_666 said:
A classic response when someone can't answer the question, although ìn this case it wasn't even directed at you, so something seems to have bothered you herepangolin said:Stevo_666 said:
So there will be some evidence that she has lied then? Let's see it.Pross said:
It’s pretty compelling when it comes to lying.Stevo_666 said:
Unfortunately that is not evidence.rick_chasey said:
But, but, it's the nasty TorwiesStevo_666 said:
She was pretty specific about them. Got any evidence to say that she is wrong or lying?rick_chasey said:
Have they though?Stevo_666 said:
They have clearly omitted some important factorsthere.rick_chasey said:
You trust Badenoch more than her advisors?Stevo_666 said:
I'm not so sure about whether that is the case that it is 'just a rounding error, given the recent statement by Kemi Badenoch rubbishing her own departments forecasts on this - as I pointed out upthread, it looked way too conservative ('scuse the pun). I know a few people latched onto that conservative forecast with ill disguised glee, but she is head of the department so knows better than some randoms on a bike forum:wallace_and_gromit said:
Perhaps you can return the favour and acknowledge the caveat I included, namely that the new deal is no more than a rounding error in terms of its upside relative to the downside of Brexit (in GDP terms).Stevo_666 said:
He agreed with me on the point I was making.Pross said:
Love the way you ignore the rest of the response.Stevo_666 said:
Thank you - we agree then. That's really the case I was making, but as expected too many seemed to take this as an assault on the apparently faultless EU arrangements that used to be in place.wallace_and_gromit said:
Definitely join it.Stevo_666 said:
But you are still connecting the two deals when it is not an either/or decision.wallace_and_gromit said:
I appreciate that and tbh, I’m more to your “non-pessimistic” view on the whole thing than many here. But even if the adverse impact of Brexit is over stated 2x and the benefit of the new deal understated 10x then the net impact is -2% plus 1% ie still a net negative.Stevo_666 said:
I am simply trying to bring a bit of perspective to it in terms of potential scale, if that helps to clarify the point.wallace_and_gromit said:
The quoted 0.08% of gdp benefit is the incremental impact not the overall value of trade with the countries concerned post-deal.Stevo_666 said:
Given that exports to CPTPP countries already exceed £60bn a year its hard to see how that estimate is anything other than conservative. Either that or the estimates of the impact from Brexit of 4% are likely overblown. And the estimate will be before you've taken into account likely new entrants to the CPTPP.monkimark said:Over 10 years according the the government's own figures
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65124741
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And even with some gains in trading the government only estimates it will add 0.08% to the size of the economy in 10 years.
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On what basis and over what period?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
I wish I could predict the future like you Brian. I've already set out the likely long term benefits, but you appear to be stuck in the old 'the only good trade deal is with the EU' mindset. Time to broaden your horizons I think.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:More opinions
from the press which paint a positive picture...
The announcement that the UK is to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans Pacific Partnership is a huge achievement. It should not be underestimated. This will open up free trade between the UK and 11 economies in the Indo Pacific region. It means free trade not just with Australia and New Zealand but with countries like Japan, Canada and Mexico, as well as Singapore and Vietnam. It will in time prove transformational for the British economy.
These countries have a population of 500 million and a GDP of $9 trillion. Japan is the third largest economy in the world. Of the others, many are fast growing and progressive economies, and then there are the more traditional, stable, developed economies of Australia, Canada and Singapore.
The UK will be in a unique position. It already has a free trade agreement with the EU which may not be quite as liberal as being a member of the single market, but nevertheless gives the UK tariff and quota free access to the EU market, as well as being able to import from the EU duty-free. No country has freer trade with the EU than the UK. Add to that free trade with 500 million people in the Indo-Pacific and the UK has amongst the best trading arrangements of any country on earth.
At the moment, the UK’s trade with the CPTPP countries constitutes just 7.8 per cent of its total trade. Critics may think that is unimportant, but remember: these countries are some of the most economically dynamic on earth. It is estimated that by 2030, 65 per cent of the world’s middle-class consumers will be in the Indo Pacific region. So for the naysayers who think the CPTPP may not be important to the British economy, let me remind them that the growth on trade with those 11 economies is already running at around 8 per cent a year.
Once trade barriers are torn down, expect that trade to grow a great deal faster. And while we have no idea how well British exporters will fare in those Indo Pacific markets, the opportunities have now opened up as never before. Getting into the CPTPP is not just beneficial in the short-term, it is locking the British economy into the most economically dynamic region in the world. It constitutes a very serious investment in the future.
Added to the trade statistics, it is important to remember that UK service suppliers are already deeply integrated with the Indo Pacific region. UK service suppliers exported nearly £30 billion worth of services to CPTPP members in 2019.
Also a reminder that we do have a free trade deal with EU which is better than any other country, according to the article.
Not bad for a bunch of alleged f***wits
I wish I could get as glowing a report for improving my performance by 0.1% over the next decade.
0.08%
Alternatively can I borrow your time machine and travel to the future?
Also worth noting that it covers services which is a plus point given the size of the UK services sector.
I suspect you know this already though, being a bright “numbers man”.
So it’s easy to see why folk here do not share your enthusiasm. You can’t simply dismiss leaving the eu as a historical aberration; one of the reasons given for leaving was to be able to do big trade deals elsewhere, so the impact of leaving has to be factored into any assessment of the impact of a new deal.
Forget the EU for a minute, we have done what we have done and it isn't likely to change in the short or medium term. Based on what you know and looking just at the CPTPP, do you think we should go ahead and sign up it?
https://telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/04/02/indo-pacific-trade-deal-cptpp-brexit-britain/
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Badenoch rails against a Whitehall forecast, published several years ago, estimating that CPTPP membership will boost UK GDP by a paltry 0.08pc. “I can’t stand this estimate, even though it came from my department,” she says. “It’s a stale, static, out-of-date assessment that assumes growth is linear and businesses won’t use CPTPP to really expand”.
Warming to her theme, Badenoch perhaps unknowingly paraphrases Wayne Gretzky. “Demand from the CPTPP countries is expected to far outstrip growth from Europe,” she argues. “So this deal will bring the UK significant economic growth if we use it properly – this is all about where the world is heading”.
What’s clear is that downbeat Whitehall forecasts don’t consider that other countries could soon join the CPTPP – with major economies including Taiwan and South Korea expressing serious interest. And the US could also end up rejoining in the years to come – which, according to Falconer, “could well mean we don’t then need to seek our own bilateral deal with the US”.
Anyhow, you are ddraver and ICMFP"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I don't really give a toss as that's a very small number of people - unlike you who seems to be rather angry about it. If its that bad here, why not move to the land of milk and honey across the channel?sungod said:
brexiters, tories mps and ministers made various provably untrue claims in their praise of blue passports, are you agreeing that they were lying?Stevo_666 said:
Who actually says that and means it?webboo said:At least we have got our blue passports.
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The return of the navy cover, first used in 1921, is being hailed as a victory by pro-Brexit MPs, who had campaigned for a return to the colour.
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Brandon Lewis, the immigration minister, said: “Leaving the EU gives us a unique opportunity to restore our national identity and forge a new path for ourselves in the world.
“That is why I am delighted to announce that the British passport will be returning to the iconic blue and gold design after we have left the European Union in 2019.”
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Under a system first agreed by Margaret Thatcher’s government in 1981, Britain is not legally obliged to use the same burgundy design as most other members but agreed to do so in a joint resolution of member states in the European council.
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Speaking in April, the Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell said the burgundy EU passport had been a source of national “humiliation”.
“The restoration of our own British passport is a clear statement to the world that Britain is back. Our British identity was slowly but surely being submerged into an artificial European one that most Brits felt increasingly unhappy about,” he told Press Association.
“The humiliation of having a pink European Union passport will now soon be over and the United Kingdom nationals can once again feel pride and self-confidence in their own nationality when travelling, just as the Swiss and Americans can do.
“National identity matters and there is no better way of demonstrating this today than by bringing back this much-loved national symbol when travelling overseas.”"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You keep quoting this like it is fact, but the most successful era for British propserity was based on global trade. To quote a source:rick_chasey said:The total ignorance of the gravity of trade is infuriating as it’s one of the few things economists can actually be sure about.
"The EU was never a good fit for our exporters, and financial and other services – our special strengths – derived little benefit. Consequently, we had a huge structural trade deficit. In contrast, we already have a trade surplus with the CPTPP.
Britain was not alone in finding the EU disappointing. Not only has southern Europe been blighted for decades, but by some estimates every country joining the EU (including Britain) has experienced a decline in economic growth after accession. Common sense and the broad national interest require us to shift the emphasis of our trade to more dynamic, more profitable, and less restrictive markets.
Those who predicted economic disaster from Brexit insisted that this was impossible. There was even an economic theory – the “gravity model” – used to suggest that we must cling to the EU. This is weak economics, and even worse history. Since the 18th century, Britain has been a pioneer global trader – the most outward-looking of European states. Even in the days of sail, our biggest single 19th-century export was cloth to India.
Victorian living standards were transformed by wheat from North America, beef from Argentina, lamb from New Zealand, butter from Australia. By joining the Common Market in 1973, we shifted away from global trade under the illusion that postwar Europe was permanently booming. Those wishing to push us back towards a Eurocentric trading system are harking back to the illusions of the 1950s.""I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Lol, "a source" being another telegraph opinion column.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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That is utterly brilliant. So it’s the EU’s fault not the decline of the Empire and colonialism?
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I like the reference to the U.K. being the most outward-looking eu country despite Germany (and probably France and Italy) out-exporting the U.K. every day and twice on a Sunday.0
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Missing the point completely. I'm showing Rick a real life historical example that goes against the gravity model.skyblueamateur said:That is utterly brilliant. So it’s the EU’s fault not the decline of the Empire and colonialism?
What source are you quoting from out of interest?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I used to really appreciate Stevos input into discussions as they were rounded and a counter-point to discussions on here. He’s obviously a very intelligent and successful bloke but he’s on the wind up too much now.wallace_and_gromit said:I like the reference to the U.K. being the most outward-looking eu country despite Germany (and probably France and Italy) out-exporting the U.K. every day and twice on a Sunday.
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The Gravity Model does seem to be a pretty robust model (not least as it's being continually refined):
https://oxfordre.com/economics/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780190625979.001.0001/acrefore-9780190625979-e-327;jsessionid=37B6015D0DC72B17B7C00A1DA8B59005#:~:text=The gravity model of international,for more than 50 years.0
