BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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My reading of the summary judgement is that Banks lost only because he wasn't able to prove (as he needed to do given that the Public Interest defence was claimed) that Cadwalladr's belief that her claim was true was not reasonable at the time she made it.kingstongraham said:.
As I understand it, her defence was that Banks had no reputation to be damaged by accusing him of telling lies.rick_chasey said:Banks lost the libel case vs Carole Cadwalladr who wrote something about his connections to the Russians which Banks contested.
There was no dispute that the claim in the TED talk was damaging to Banks' reputation.
So all a bit murky tbh, other than that you shouldn't bring libel actions as you'll lose one way or another, except if you're one of the lawyers where you win (in terms of getting paid handsomely) even if you lose the case.0 -
"It leaves open for the journalist the excuse that she thought what she said was correct even though she had no facts," he posted on Twitter.reported posting by banks
as that's pretty much the brexiters' excuse every time their claims are found to be untrue, seems only fair that it works both ways
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Someone's not overly impressed:
Now the fun begins.0 -
That Truss couldn't make a statement in the House and restricted herself to social media clips says it all really
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
tailwindhome said:
That Truss couldn't make a statement in the House and restricted herself to social media clips says it all really
The bill would be better named "Carte Blanche". Pretty much is jut a flimsy legalistic-sounding justification for doing whatever she/Johnson sees fit. I suspect that there will be more than a little push-back... but if it keeps Johnson as PM, a trade war, no future trade deals with the US or anyone else, a hard border in Ireland, it'll all be worth it.0 -
That is an excellent point.tailwindhome said:That Truss couldn't make a statement in the House and restricted herself to social media clips says it all really
Other excellent points (that I stole off Twitter) is that this is an exceptional power play by Truss. Johnson can't refuse now. If he does, she resigns and precipitates a leadership challenge in which SHE is the brexit ultra
A flip side is that Johnson bets it all on a snap brexit election this year. In this vein...this thread
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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But... I thought Brexit was done.
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BJ wanting an election about something he got done last year? 🤔ddraver said:
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A flip side is that Johnson bets it all on a snap brexit election this year...
"A flip side is that Johnson bets it all on a snapbrexitelection this year." would make more sense. Big gamble. I think he'd lose.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
"Tea-sock".
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I peruse the comments under Times articles as my own opinion poll. Recently Brexiteers has all but given up defending the indefensible but now they are back in force frothing about Brussels.
I think this is a clever move that will buy him weeks if not months.0 -
You're dismissing a genuine concern for Northern Ireland then?surrey_commuter said:I peruse the comments under Times articles as my own opinion poll. Recently Brexiteers has all but given up defending the indefensible but now they are back in force frothing about Brussels.
I think this is a clever move that will buy him weeks if not months.0 -
These concerns were raised repeatedly by 'remoaners' in the run up and aftermath of the Brexit vote. You would only need to look back at this thread and you will see that.TheBigBean said:
You're dismissing a genuine concern for Northern Ireland then?surrey_commuter said:I peruse the comments under Times articles as my own opinion poll. Recently Brexiteers has all but given up defending the indefensible but now they are back in force frothing about Brussels.
I think this is a clever move that will buy him weeks if not months.
I believe it was called Project Fear, so forgive me if I don't think those pro-brexit really give a sh1t about peace on the isle of Ireland.0 -
I think Boris only cares about his own neck and will go down in history as doing more damage to the UK economy than the Luftwaffe.TheBigBean said:
You're dismissing a genuine concern for Northern Ireland then?surrey_commuter said:I peruse the comments under Times articles as my own opinion poll. Recently Brexiteers has all but given up defending the indefensible but now they are back in force frothing about Brussels.
I think this is a clever move that will buy him weeks if not months.
The ERG lot hate the EU so want a fight.
There behaviour back in 2019/20 tells you that NI comes very low on their list of priorities0 -
It's going to be interesting what the attack lines are. When Labour point out that maybe breaking international law is...sub-optimal, will they defend the law breaking or go straight to screaming sTaRMer iS A rEMaiNeR!!!!!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Weirdly, the Carte Blanche Bill (to rip up bits of the NIP Johnson & Truss have decided to renege on) has got virtually no coverage on the web front page of The Telegraph.
Actually, the DT seems, again weirdly, to be publishing vaguely balanced articles (along with some of the regular unhinged tripe). I wonder if they have rediscovered a bit of a moral compass, having realised that Johnson isn't the beacon they thought he was. Perhaps they've twigged that the CBB is the bollox that Truss's interviews suggest it is.
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My hobby horse. Record exports in April 2022*, but the FT has gone back to reporting about the beginning of 2021. They reported about that in pretty much every month of 2021.
https://archive.ph/Mnmyd
*Not particularly meaningful and relates to high price of LNG.0 -
If this is actually the case, you have to wonder why Johnson/Truss are trashing the UK's reputation for trustworthiness.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/15/uk-eu-not-really-far-apart-northern-ireland-protocol-deal/Peeling back the onion layer of hardened rhetoric reveals that both the EU and UK aren’t actually that far apart and a deal might in fact be possible.
Both sides are talking tough but have insisted on leaving the door open for further talks on the Protocol, with a negotiated solution the best option.
Announcing three separate lawsuits against Britain, Mr Sefcovic pulled his punches and refused to use the most draconian weapons in his arsenal to punish the Government’s alleged misdemeanour.
The first is an old case, paused last year, on Downing Street’s decision to unilaterally suspend checks on food, plants and pets in a breach of EU rules.
Failure on customs data
The second and third are new cases in response to Britain’s failure to properly staff border inspection posts in Northern Ireland and a failure to share adequate levels of customs data.
Most importantly, none of these so-called infringement proceedings are to do with the alleged breach of international law with the introduction of the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill.
To keep the door open, Brussels instead revisited a series of concessions it offered in October 2021, spelling out how its plans of a trusted trader system and “express lanes” between Great Britain and Northern Ireland could dramatically reduce the need for trade checks.
This is not dissimilar to Britain’s proposal for a “green lane”, which would let products destined for consumption in the province arrive with little to no friction at all.
A senior official described the difference between the two concepts as a matter of 26 tick boxes that can easily be resolved with simple negotiations.0 -
Because agreeing something with the EU doesn't fire up the Europhobes.briantrumpet said:If this is actually the case, you have to wonder why Johnson/Truss are trashing the UK's reputation for trustworthiness.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/15/uk-eu-not-really-far-apart-northern-ireland-protocol-deal/Peeling back the onion layer of hardened rhetoric reveals that both the EU and UK aren’t actually that far apart and a deal might in fact be possible.
Both sides are talking tough but have insisted on leaving the door open for further talks on the Protocol, with a negotiated solution the best option.
Announcing three separate lawsuits against Britain, Mr Sefcovic pulled his punches and refused to use the most draconian weapons in his arsenal to punish the Government’s alleged misdemeanour.
The first is an old case, paused last year, on Downing Street’s decision to unilaterally suspend checks on food, plants and pets in a breach of EU rules.
Failure on customs data
The second and third are new cases in response to Britain’s failure to properly staff border inspection posts in Northern Ireland and a failure to share adequate levels of customs data.
Most importantly, none of these so-called infringement proceedings are to do with the alleged breach of international law with the introduction of the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill.
To keep the door open, Brussels instead revisited a series of concessions it offered in October 2021, spelling out how its plans of a trusted trader system and “express lanes” between Great Britain and Northern Ireland could dramatically reduce the need for trade checks.
This is not dissimilar to Britain’s proposal for a “green lane”, which would let products destined for consumption in the province arrive with little to no friction at all.
A senior official described the difference between the two concepts as a matter of 26 tick boxes that can easily be resolved with simple negotiations.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Another "Is he really that stupid?" or "Does he really think we're that stupid?":
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Big Day.
Eurovision Song Contest to be held in Britain.0 -
They should call it the Britovsion Song Contest for next year, just to annoy people.focuszing723 said:Big Day.
Eurovision Song Contest to be held in Britain."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
They should call it the Britovsion Song Contest for next year, just to annoy people.focuszing723 said:Big Day.
Eurovision Song Contest to be held in Britain.
And the UK would win it, of we kept all those furriners out, or sent them to Rwanda.0
