BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Yet, it isn'tStevo_666 said:A spot of realism from Tony Blair.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/30/brexit-wont-overturned-least-generation-admits-tony-blair/
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Tony Blair has admitted that Brexit will not be overturned for at least a generation but insisted Britain needs to “fix” its trading relationship with Europe.
The former Prime Minister, a leading advocate of a second referendum, conceded that the argument over the decision to leave the EU was now settled.
“However passionately I opposed Brexit, I understand we’ve done it,” Sir Tony told a conference in central London organised by his think tank.
“We’ve done it legally, we’ve done it politically and it’s not going to be reversed any time soon – let’s say any time in this generation."
When the Brexit trade deal was agreed in October 2019, he said MPs should extend Britain’s membership of the bloc and hold another vote on staying in.
But last year he dropped his calls for a re-run, saying that although he had not changed his mind about leaving “we must make the best of it”.
He also has an unpopular on here (but correct) view that Brexit is done
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Very sensible.tailwindhome said:Labour positioning as 'Make Brexit Work'
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I think so.TheBigBean said:
Accept GB has left the EU, point out the Tories are making a balls of it and move the conversation onto more constructive grounds
And offer the 10 NI MPs a plan B
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
TheBigBean said:
Yes, given they are walking a tightrope (while the Tories long ago fell off into the abyss). If they can sell the idea that actually not treating the EU as 'the enemy' can bring tangible improvements, then the conversation can change from this endless and destructive cutting-off-nose-to-spite-face path we are currently following.0 -
The EU would also be incentivised to reattach its cut off nose too.1
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And, crucially, doesn't blame the people who voted for ittailwindhome said:
I think so.TheBigBean said:
Accept GB has left the EU, point out the Tories are making a balls of it and move the conversation onto more constructive grounds
And offer the 10 NI MPs a plan B“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Have a word with Tony then...rick_chasey said:lol the mother of all straw men but ok
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Starmer reportedly to announce no return to Freedom of Movement and no rejoining the Single Market or customs union. Not looking great for those who think we can just waltz back in as it now requires the pro-rejoin parties (Lib Dems and the SNP?) to get control at the next election: squadron of pigs on standby.tailwindhome said:Labour positioning as 'Make Brexit Work'
And that's assuming the EU would have trouble makers like us back..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
Starmer reportedly to announce no return to Freedom of Movement and no rejoining the Single Market or customs union. Not looking great for those who think we can just waltz back in as it now requires the pro-rejoin parties (Lib Dems and the SNP?) to get control at the next election: squadron of pigs on standby.tailwindhome said:Labour positioning as 'Make Brexit Work'
And that's assuming the EU would have trouble makers like us back...
It would be suicide to say that at this stage, so I'm not surprised. Maybe that's their final word, or maybe they will see how things pan out, both in practical terms and in how the politics evolve.
After all, the Tories didn't tell everyone they were going to raise taxes at the last election...0 -
I think the SNP have identified an alternative path back.Stevo_666 said:
Starmer reportedly to announce no return to Freedom of Movement and no rejoining the Single Market or customs union. Not looking great for those who think we can just waltz back in as it now requires the pro-rejoin parties (Lib Dems and the SNP?) to get control at the next election: squadron of pigs on standby.tailwindhome said:Labour positioning as 'Make Brexit Work'
And that's assuming the EU would have trouble makers like us back...
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Even the Liberal Democrats do not have a policy of immediately rejoining the EU. Literally nobody thinks the UK can "waltz back in" to the EU.Stevo_666 said:
Starmer reportedly to announce no return to Freedom of Movement and no rejoining the Single Market or customs union. Not looking great for those who think we can just waltz back in as it now requires the pro-rejoin parties (Lib Dems and the SNP?) to get control at the next election: squadron of pigs on standby.tailwindhome said:Labour positioning as 'Make Brexit Work'
And that's assuming the EU would have trouble makers like us back...0 -
Well yes, even I was saying in 2016 that the future does not involve rejoining?!kingstongraham said:
Even the Liberal Democrats do not have a policy of immediately rejoining the EU. Literally nobody thinks the UK can "waltz back in" to the EU.Stevo_666 said:
Starmer reportedly to announce no return to Freedom of Movement and no rejoining the Single Market or customs union. Not looking great for those who think we can just waltz back in as it now requires the pro-rejoin parties (Lib Dems and the SNP?) to get control at the next election: squadron of pigs on standby.tailwindhome said:Labour positioning as 'Make Brexit Work'
And that's assuming the EU would have trouble makers like us back...0 -
Good news percolating through from the EU to little old UK regarding duplicitous Amazon Prime practices. As someone who has kids who have been trapped in their ‘scam’ and helped fund the giant phallus going into space (and I don’t mean the rocket) this is a welcome step, and one I suspect the UK wouldn’t have had the leverage to enforce:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jul/04/uk-subscribers-will-soon-be-able-to-leave-amazon-prime-in-two-clicks0 -
It is a bit mad that in order to get elected you need say you're not going to do things that demonstrably help the country.
I guess Brexit is to the British what guns are to Americans. Massively divisive within the country, and wholly incomprehensible when looked at from abroad.0 -
How many other countries are starting to federalise?rick_chasey said:It is a bit mad that in order to get elected you need say you're not going to do things that demonstrably help the country.
I guess Brexit is to the British what guns are to Americans. Massively divisive within the country, and wholly incomprehensible when looked at from abroad.0 -
Examples not relating to the EU would be more helpful. For example, is it a popular idea in Canada to be joined up with the US?0
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They're part of NAFTA aren't they?TheBigBean said:Examples not relating to the EU would be more helpful. For example, is it a popular idea in Canada to be join up with the US?
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USMCA which is quite a bit different to both the EU and federalising.rick_chasey said:
They're part of NAFTA aren't they?TheBigBean said:Examples not relating to the EU would be more helpful. For example, is it a popular idea in Canada to be join up with the US?
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Joining the single market is a sensible medium term aim, not least it was f@cking nuts to leave it in the first place0
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rick_chasey said:
Joining the single market is a sensible medium term aim, not least it was f@cking nuts to leave it in the first place
And remembering that "no-one was talking about leaving the Single Market". I think that was the biggest whopper of the lot.0 -
That's not what you said and second sentence...TheBigBean said:Examples not relating to the EU would be more helpful. For example, is it a popular idea in Canada to be join up with the US?
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Really really really can't forgive May for not even having it up for debatebriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Joining the single market is a sensible medium term aim, not least it was f@cking nuts to leave it in the first place
And remembering that "no-one was talking about leaving the Single Market". I think that was the biggest whopper of the lot.0 -
But the EU is the one that Britain would look to join, so is the relevant example?TheBigBean said:Examples not relating to the EU would be more helpful. For example, is it a popular idea in Canada to be join up with the US?
Not to mention the fact that for years prominent leavers told us how staying in the SM could still be done outside of the EU.
I think he should be making the case for closer EU integration and making a positive argument. Now maybe that can still be done whilst ruling out the SM and CU, but I think it's a challenging start.
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But surely Starmer is a man of honour and keeps his word?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Starmer reportedly to announce no return to Freedom of Movement and no rejoining the Single Market or customs union. Not looking great for those who think we can just waltz back in as it now requires the pro-rejoin parties (Lib Dems and the SNP?) to get control at the next election: squadron of pigs on standby.tailwindhome said:Labour positioning as 'Make Brexit Work'
And that's assuming the EU would have trouble makers like us back...
It would be suicide to say that at this stage, so I'm not surprised. Maybe that's their final word, or maybe they will see how things pan out, both in practical terms and in how the politics evolve.
After all, the Tories didn't tell everyone they were going to raise taxes at the last election..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ask yourself the following question: is this country still an EU member? The answer should help you answer the questiontailwindhome said:
Yet, it isn'tStevo_666 said:A spot of realism from Tony Blair.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/30/brexit-wont-overturned-least-generation-admits-tony-blair/
Quotes:
Tony Blair has admitted that Brexit will not be overturned for at least a generation but insisted Britain needs to “fix” its trading relationship with Europe.
The former Prime Minister, a leading advocate of a second referendum, conceded that the argument over the decision to leave the EU was now settled.
“However passionately I opposed Brexit, I understand we’ve done it,” Sir Tony told a conference in central London organised by his think tank.
“We’ve done it legally, we’ve done it politically and it’s not going to be reversed any time soon – let’s say any time in this generation."
When the Brexit trade deal was agreed in October 2019, he said MPs should extend Britain’s membership of the bloc and hold another vote on staying in.
But last year he dropped his calls for a re-run, saying that although he had not changed his mind about leaving “we must make the best of it”.
He also has an unpopular on here (but correct) view that Brexit is done "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
A lot different.TheBigBean said:
USMCA which is quite a bit different to both the EU and federalising.rick_chasey said:
They're part of NAFTA aren't they?TheBigBean said:Examples not relating to the EU would be more helpful. For example, is it a popular idea in Canada to be join up with the US?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Copied from elsewhere on internet. Not remotely checked.Stevo_666 said:
But surely Starmer is a man of honour and keeps his word?briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Starmer reportedly to announce no return to Freedom of Movement and no rejoining the Single Market or customs union. Not looking great for those who think we can just waltz back in as it now requires the pro-rejoin parties (Lib Dems and the SNP?) to get control at the next election: squadron of pigs on standby.tailwindhome said:Labour positioning as 'Make Brexit Work'
And that's assuming the EU would have trouble makers like us back...
It would be suicide to say that at this stage, so I'm not surprised. Maybe that's their final word, or maybe they will see how things pan out, both in practical terms and in how the politics evolve.
After all, the Tories didn't tell everyone they were going to raise taxes at the last election...Starmer during the referendum: We are campaigning to remain
Starmer after the referendum: We accept the referendum result to leave the EU
Starmer after becoming Shadow Brexit Secretary: We need to have a Second Referendum
Starmer at the 2019 GE: Labour is 'the party of Remain'
Starmer running for Labour Leader: I will campaign to rejoin the Single Market and Freedom of Movement
Starmer after becoming Labour Leader: We will vote for Boris Johnson's Brexit deal
Starmer now: I do not support rejoining the Single Market or Freedom of Movement1 -
Yeahbut, BJ was pro remain until he switched sides.
Call it a draw? And a sad statement on our government & opposition.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
His only side is himself and he hasn't switched from that.pblakeney said:Yeahbut, BJ was pro remain until he switched sides.
Call it a draw? And a sad statement on our government & opposition.0
