BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? đŸ˜´
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Pity them for their stupidity, despise them for inflicting it upon us in positions of influence.wallace_and_gromit said:
It is genuinely hard to know whether to despise or pity such people for being as dense as they clearly are.rick_chasey said:
Already is. EU nations seizing assets.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure there'll be much of that.rick_chasey said:At least Brexit has allowed for more divergence on going after kleptocrat money eh?
UK giving them…18 months notice?
Anyway, here’s a prominent Brexiter showing he clearly had a real grasp of the issue.0 -
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Oh, pleaseStevo_666 said:Could be quite clever, forcing a fire sale of assets as has clearly happened very publicly in the case of Abramovic. Potentially saves getting tied up in lawsuits as well.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
The ERG on manoeuvres
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
tailwindhome said:
A good time to start a fire.0 -
I'm not familiar with the people so not sure if the Tweet is satirical or if he genuinely suggesting the war in Ukraine as a diversion to get something through with minimal scrutiny (and posting that plan on Twitter)?tailwindhome said:0 -
Pross said:
I'm not familiar with the people so not sure if the Tweet is satirical or if he genuinely suggesting the war in Ukraine as a diversion to get something through with minimal scrutiny (and posting that plan on Twitter)?tailwindhome said:
He doesn't do anything in his Twitter feed to suggest that this is not serious.0 -
You're not aware of Steve Baker?Pross said:
I'm not familiar with the people so not sure if the Tweet is satirical or if he genuinely suggesting the war in Ukraine as a diversion to get something through with minimal scrutiny (and posting that plan on Twitter)?tailwindhome said:
Tory MP, leader of the ERG group?
Oh, he's serious.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I like the fact he's stuck with MEP in his twitter handle.0
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A serious clown. An oxymoron.tailwindhome said:
You're not aware of Steve Baker?Pross said:
I'm not familiar with the people so not sure if the Tweet is satirical or if he genuinely suggesting the war in Ukraine as a diversion to get something through with minimal scrutiny (and posting that plan on Twitter)?tailwindhome said:
Tory MP, leader of the ERG group?
Oh, he's serious.0 -
No, I meanrick_chasey said:
Already is. EU nations seizing assets.Stevo_666 said:
Not sure there'll be much of that.rick_chasey said:At least Brexit has allowed for more divergence on going after kleptocrat money eh?
UK giving them…18 months notice?
Anyway, here’s a prominent Brexiter showing he clearly had a real grasp of the issue.
A 90% hit to their wealth by just raising the prospect of sanctions is a rather good result. Pretty close to the share price declne of Evraz compared to this time last year, which is 29% owned by Abramovic.john80 said:
Would it not be more effective if their assets were tied up for years than letting them wander off to the next bolt hole with a tenth of the money.Stevo_666 said:Could be quite clever, forcing a fire sale of assets as has clearly happened very publicly in the case of Abramovic. Potentially saves getting tied up in lawsuits as well.
You're not going to stop them heading somewhere else but that's not necessary to hit them in the wallet."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No, it was the other guy doing the retweet I meant.tailwindhome said:
You're not aware of Steve Baker?Pross said:
I'm not familiar with the people so not sure if the Tweet is satirical or if he genuinely suggesting the war in Ukraine as a diversion to get something through with minimal scrutiny (and posting that plan on Twitter)?tailwindhome said:
Tory MP, leader of the ERG group?
Oh, he's serious.0 -
TheBigBean said:Rick Chasey wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:
How long will Russia need to keep the tanks in Crimea before everybody accepts it is part of Russsia? 10, 50, 100 years?
Tanks don't get to vote.
What you propose just means nations like Russia are incentivised to deliberately move a whole bunch of their own citizens in, and then just call a vote then (under the watchful eye of tanks...) once they have taken somewhere.
No it doesn't.
[sorry, quoting is screwed up - no idea why]
I was looking for something else, but found this, FWIW.0 -
I don't recognise any of my comments in that quote melange.0
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TheBigBean said:
I don't recognise any of my comments in that quote melange.
Apologies, I've tried twice to get it to quote properly! I'll see if I can get a better way of doing it...0 -
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I've searched for it and found there was a bit more nuance to the discussion. What's the relevance now? I still believe in self-determination above all else.0
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TheBigBean said:
I've searched for it and found there was a bit more nuance to the discussion. What's the relevance now? I still believe in self-determination above all else.
It was just that that discussion was five years ago, and at that point it was just about Crimea.
What I was actually looking for was discussions about how Brexit might destabilise Europe, and peace, particularly if the EU were to crumble. I've only vague recollection of there being discussions around the subject.
You'll not be surprised to know that I'm glad, particularly in the current circumstances, that the EU hasn't collapsed as someone like Farage would have liked. I think Putin has probably ensured its survival now, ironically.0 -
I remember being laughed at for suggesting that increasingly relying on imported foodstuffs maybe a flawed policy, should UK agriculture become uneconomic in world terms. Maybe there are still reasons for not relying on world trade for the very stuff of life.Ukraine’s government has banned exports of rye, barley, buckwheat, millet, sugar, salt, and meat until the end of this year, according to a cabinet resolution published on Wednesday, Reuters has reported.
It will put food security across Europe into sharp focus, leading to shortages of grain and price rises of staples including bread. Russia and Ukraine combined are responsible for about 30% of the world’s wheat and barley exports.
Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/mar/09/ukraine-news-russia-war-ceasefire-broken-humanitarian-corridors-kyiv-russian-invasion-live-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskiy-latest-updates0 -
"Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain."
I'm no farming export but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as just switching to using your fields for a different crop.0 -
You also can't grow food on land used to graze cows.Pross said:"Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain."
I'm no farming export but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as just switching to using your fields for a different crop.0 -
Maybe they'll feed the cows with the grain!TheBigBean said:
You also can't grow food on land used to graze cows.Pross said:"Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain."
I'm no farming export but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as just switching to using your fields for a different crop.
Nice to see it isn't just the UK Government's ministers that come out with ridiculous ideas that show they don't understand their portfolio.0 -
or economics, unless they are thinking of cutting themselves off from the outside world then the price pf grain will still be highPross said:
Maybe they'll feed the cows with the grain!TheBigBean said:
You also can't grow food on land used to graze cows.Pross said:"Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain."
I'm no farming export but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as just switching to using your fields for a different crop.
Nice to see it isn't just the UK Government's ministers that come out with ridiculous ideas that show they don't understand their portfolio.0 -
TheBigBean said:
You also can't grow food on land used to graze cows.Pross said:"Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain."
I'm no farming export but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as just switching to using your fields for a different crop.
Quite so (well, not the same season). It's one of the reasons that you have to play the long game with agriculture - the lead times are such that if there's suddenly a catastrophic shortage, it's too late to do anything much about it. And if you've lost a sizeable proportion of your viable farming land as a long term asset, that's an even longer game to turn around.
The post-WW2 ear was one in which UK agriculture was revolutionised, not just by increasing mechanisation, but also long-term strategies such as draining marginal land and enlarging fields (aka 'ripping out hedgerows') to make farming economic (albeit via subsidies in many cases) over a much wider area.
What price, having food on the table? Does it seem slightly more precarious now?0 -
Just hope we get a good summer from a farming perspective!0
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I think it is more than one season, because if you have arable, then you do a year of grass to replenish the soil, you can't graze it during that year.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
You also can't grow food on land used to graze cows.Pross said:"Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain."
I'm no farming export but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as just switching to using your fields for a different crop.
Quite so (well, not the same season). It's one of the reasons that you have to play the long game with agriculture - the lead times are such that if there's suddenly a catastrophic shortage, it's too late to do anything much about it. And if you've lost a sizeable proportion of your viable farming land as a long term asset, that's an even longer game to turn around.
The post-WW2 ear was one in which UK agriculture was revolutionised, not just by increasing mechanisation, but also long-term strategies such as draining marginal land and enlarging fields (aka 'ripping out hedgerows') to make farming economic (albeit via subsidies in many cases) over a much wider area.
What price, having food on the table? Does it seem slightly more precarious now?0 -
Can be done.TheBigBean said:
I think it is more than one season, because if you have arable, then you do a year of grass to replenish the soil, you can't graze it during that year.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
You also can't grow food on land used to graze cows.Pross said:"Ireland’s agriculture minister Charlie McConalogue told RTE that farmers, many dairy and beef producers, should consider growing grain this year. He said the country imports 60% of its grain."
I'm no farming export but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as just switching to using your fields for a different crop.
Quite so (well, not the same season). It's one of the reasons that you have to play the long game with agriculture - the lead times are such that if there's suddenly a catastrophic shortage, it's too late to do anything much about it. And if you've lost a sizeable proportion of your viable farming land as a long term asset, that's an even longer game to turn around.
The post-WW2 ear was one in which UK agriculture was revolutionised, not just by increasing mechanisation, but also long-term strategies such as draining marginal land and enlarging fields (aka 'ripping out hedgerows') to make farming economic (albeit via subsidies in many cases) over a much wider area.
What price, having food on the table? Does it seem slightly more precarious now?0 -
But fertiliser prices are going through the roof, so food prices are going to rise, for more than one reason.
Remember when about 25% of the average household budget went on food?0 -
Pross said:
Just hope we get a good summer from a farming perspective!
With climate change and unpredictable weather, it really is the perfect storm.0 -
