BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

You don't think the EU response is remarkable?

I think the EU has come in for a lot of criticism about being "weak, indecisive, divided" etc, and I think this response is the opposite of that.

It's good that they have responded and followed the UK lead.

....but not on refugees?

TBF in this case I think they should do more. It looks like they have taken the criticism on board and are reconsidering:
https://theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/28/uk-government-could-expand-revised-entry-rules-ukrainians

Stevo_666

Another trade deal in the bag
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/28/cheers-cheaper-sauvignon-blanc-uk-new-zealand-sign-post-brexit/

Good news.

wallace_and_gromit

Stevo_666 said:

Another trade deal in the bag
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/28/cheers-cheaper-sauvignon-blanc-uk-new-zealand-sign-post-brexit/

Good news.

Estimated to be worth £800m per year once bedded in. Whilst better than a kick in the nadgers, that isn’t even a rounding error in the national finances.

But my 20p saving per bottle of wine will be nice!

kingstongraham

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

rick_chasey

Seems the whole EU sends fighter planes to Ukraine was a bit of a blunder and hot air with no trousers.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

wallace_and_gromit

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I mentioned above that it was better than a kick in the nadgers, but the losses associated with Brexit feel like a very high price to pay for slightly cheaper Sauv Blanc, even if it is currently my favourite tipple.

And the deal is likely asymmetric, as is the case with the Aussie one, with non-trivial threats to UK farmers.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

Probably still smaller than the hand outs to mates that the govt did during corona.

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

Covers 10 months of next year's NI Protocol costs

tailwindhome

wallace_and_gromit said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I mentioned above that it was better than a kick in the nadgers, but the losses associated with Brexit feel like a very high price to pay for slightly cheaper Sauv Blanc, even if it is currently my favourite tipple.

And the deal is likely asymmetric, as is the case with the Aussie one, with non-trivial threats to UK farmers.

New Zealand SB badly effected by harvest issues apparently...big price rises/ supply issues expected

wallace_and_gromit

tailwindhome said:

wallace_and_gromit said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I mentioned above that it was better than a kick in the nadgers, but the losses associated with Brexit feel like a very high price to pay for slightly cheaper Sauv Blanc, even if it is currently my favourite tipple.

And the deal is likely asymmetric, as is the case with the Aussie one, with non-trivial threats to UK farmers.

New Zealand SB badly effected by harvest issues apparently...big price rises/ supply issues expected

B*gger!

surrey_commuter

tailwindhome said:

wallace_and_gromit said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I mentioned above that it was better than a kick in the nadgers, but the losses associated with Brexit feel like a very high price to pay for slightly cheaper Sauv Blanc, even if it is currently my favourite tipple.

And the deal is likely asymmetric, as is the case with the Aussie one, with non-trivial threats to UK farmers.

New Zealand SB badly effected by harvest issues apparently...big price rises/ supply issues expected

Can we look at the bigger picture?

How is the FTA going to affect Pinot Noir and did that have a bad harvest?

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I merely quoted the article and articulated it in a relevant unit of measure. Your reaction implies you think it's not all that much.

ballysmate

rick_chasey said:

Seems the whole EU sends fighter planes to Ukraine was a bit of a blunder and hot air with no trousers.

Assuming that it would have had to have unanimous support, it would seem highly unlikely as Hungary won't even allow lethal weapons to transit its territory.

Stevo_666

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I merely quoted the article and articulated it in a relevant unit of measure. Your reaction implies you think it's not all that much.

No problem, it's not the first time you've interpreted one of my posts wrongly. In what sense do you think £800m is 'not all that much'?

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I merely quoted the article and articulated it in a relevant unit of measure. Your reaction implies you think it's not all that much.

No problem, it's not the first time you've interpreted one of my posts wrongly. In what sense do you think £800m is 'not all that much'?

It's only worth 8 DUP MPs in a hung parliament

kingstongraham

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I merely quoted the article and articulated it in a relevant unit of measure. Your reaction implies you think it's not all that much.

No problem, it's not the first time you've interpreted one of my posts wrongly. In what sense do you think £800m is 'not all that much'?

In the sense of it being £12 per person.

Worth having given the position we're in, but I guess we'll see in a few months time when the EU/NZ trade deal is finalised what the actual brexit differential is.

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I merely quoted the article and articulated it in a relevant unit of measure. Your reaction implies you think it's not all that much.

No problem, it's not the first time you've interpreted one of my posts wrongly. In what sense do you think £800m is 'not all that much'?

The downside of Brexit is measured in the hundreds of billions of pounds so in the sense that it is off-setting that downside it is "not all that much"

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I merely quoted the article and articulated it in a relevant unit of measure. Your reaction implies you think it's not all that much.

No problem, it's not the first time you've interpreted one of my posts wrongly. In what sense do you think £800m is 'not all that much'?

The downside of Brexit is measured in the hundreds of billions of pounds so in the sense that it is off-setting that downside it is "not all that much"

As mentioned many times, Brexit is in the past so it's about what wins we can secure now. This is just one of them.

Alternatively, get in your time machine, go back to June 2016 and change the course of history....

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I merely quoted the article and articulated it in a relevant unit of measure. Your reaction implies you think it's not all that much.

No problem, it's not the first time you've interpreted one of my posts wrongly. In what sense do you think £800m is 'not all that much'?

The downside of Brexit is measured in the hundreds of billions of pounds so in the sense that it is off-setting that downside it is "not all that much"

As mentioned many times, Brexit is in the past so it's about what wins we can secure now. This is just one of them.

Alternatively, get in your time machine, go back to June 2016 and change the course of history....

Ignoring the jibe, you questioned the term "not all that much" and I gave you some context. It is a rounding error.

It is worth having but more than a little worrying that there were no substantial deals worth doing first.

tailwindhome

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I merely quoted the article and articulated it in a relevant unit of measure. Your reaction implies you think it's not all that much.

No problem, it's not the first time you've interpreted one of my posts wrongly. In what sense do you think £800m is 'not all that much'?

The downside of Brexit is measured in the hundreds of billions of pounds so in the sense that it is off-setting that downside it is "not all that much"

As mentioned many times, Brexit is in the past so it's about what wins we can secure now. This is just one of them.

Alternatively, get in your time machine, go back to June 2016 and change the course of history....

Indeed. Damage limitation for now, and a long way to get back above water.

TheBigBean

https://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/singapore-signs-digital-trade-deal-with-the-uk/

rick_chasey

At least Brexit has allowed for more divergence on going after kleptocrat money eh?

Stevo_666

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

surrey_commuter said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

Stevo_666 said:

kingstongraham said:

"The overall deal was forecast to deliver an economic gain of between 0.02 per cent and 0.03 per cent by 2035 – a total of around £12 per person."

Don't knock it, that's a whole bottle.

£800m per year as mentioned above sounds like a worthwhile return on a the effort, no? Anyhow, plenty more to come, it all adds up.

I merely quoted the article and articulated it in a relevant unit of measure. Your reaction implies you think it's not all that much.

No problem, it's not the first time you've interpreted one of my posts wrongly. In what sense do you think £800m is 'not all that much'?

The downside of Brexit is measured in the hundreds of billions of pounds so in the sense that it is off-setting that downside it is "not all that much"

As mentioned many times, Brexit is in the past so it's about what wins we can secure now. This is just one of them.

Alternatively, get in your time machine, go back to June 2016 and change the course of history....

Ignoring the jibe, you questioned the term "not all that much" and I gave you some context. It is a rounding error.

It is worth having but more than a little worrying that there were no substantial deals worth doing first.

Simply pointing out that it isn't a choice between the two.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

At least Brexit has allowed for more divergence on going after kleptocrat money eh?

Not sure there'll be much of that.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

At least Brexit has allowed for more divergence on going after kleptocrat money eh?

Not sure there'll be much of that.

Already is. EU nations seizing assets.

UK giving them…18 months notice?


Anyway, here’s a prominent Brexiter showing he clearly had a real grasp of the issue.

https://twitter.com/jibbajabb/status/1499454855626342403?s=21

Stevo_666

Could be quite clever, forcing a fire sale of assets as has clearly happened very publicly in the case of Abramovic. Potentially saves getting tied up in lawsuits as well.

john80

Stevo_666 said:

Could be quite clever, forcing a fire sale of assets as has clearly happened very publicly in the case of Abramovic. Potentially saves getting tied up in lawsuits as well.

Would it not be more effective if their assets were tied up for years than letting them wander off to the next bolt hole with a tenth of the money.

kingstongraham

Imagine having to get by on only a few billion.

wallace_and_gromit

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

At least Brexit has allowed for more divergence on going after kleptocrat money eh?

Not sure there'll be much of that.

Already is. EU nations seizing assets.

UK giving them…18 months notice?


Anyway, here’s a prominent Brexiter showing he clearly had a real grasp of the issue.

https://twitter.com/jibbajabb/status/1499454855626342403?s=21

It is genuinely hard to know whether to despise or pity such people for being as dense as they clearly are.