BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • morstar
    morstar Posts: 6,190
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Third paragraph

    You said in para 1 that it was your last day working in the EU.

    BTW they are issuing permits, but not to everyone:
    https://ch.ch/en/work/working-in-switzerland-as-a-foreign-national/
    Looks like you need to be qualified or seen as in the economic interests of Switzerland,
    Hasn't DDR previously said he works in France but managed to get around the Brexit and / or Covid issues by going via Switzerland? Sounds like the loophole has been closed. I can't see how anything that restricts your options on where you can work can be seen as good (especially if the job you love simply can't be done in the UK).
    But if it doesn’t inconvenience you personally…
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Third paragraph

    You said in para 1 that it was your last day working in the EU.

    BTW they are issuing permits, but not to everyone:
    https://ch.ch/en/work/working-in-switzerland-as-a-foreign-national/
    Looks like you need to be qualified or seen as in the economic interests of Switzerland,
    Hasn't DDR previously said he works in France but managed to get around the Brexit and / or Covid issues by going via Switzerland? Sounds like the loophole has been closed. I can't see how anything that restricts your options on where you can work can be seen as good (especially if the job you love simply can't be done in the UK).
    Maybe he can tell you. Not sure why he would oukd be negotiating with cantonal authorities for a work permit in that case?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    ddraver said:

    Third paragraph

    You said in para 1 that it was your last day working in the EU.

    BTW they are issuing permits, but not to everyone:
    https://ch.ch/en/work/working-in-switzerland-as-a-foreign-national/
    Looks like you need to be qualified or seen as in the economic interests of Switzerland,
    Hasn't DDR previously said he works in France but managed to get around the Brexit and / or Covid issues by going via Switzerland? Sounds like the loophole has been closed. I can't see how anything that restricts your options on where you can work can be seen as good (especially if the job you love simply can't be done in the UK).
    Maybe he can tell you. Not sure why he would oukd be negotiating with cantonal authorities for a work permit in that case?
    It was a workaround as he already couldn't get one directly from France was my understanding.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Brexit benefit - we don't have to house Ukrainian refugees for 3 years
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    tailwindhome said:

    Brexit benefit - we don't have to house Ukrainian refugees for 3 years

    Or chip in for propping up the Euro if Germany gets badly affected.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited February 2022
    It shows how tone deaf Johnson and Patel are.

    Parochial and populist to the end.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    (Thanks Pross)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I guess we're a lot closer to an EU army than in any time in its existence.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Does all this cooperation count as a Brexit bonus?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    kingstongraham said:

    Does all this cooperation count as a Brexit bonus?

    Yes. I think that argument has been made before. Brexit allows the EU to do more federal things.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    rick_chasey said:

    This reads a bit like a football fan. He has finally found a way in which he can bring Brexit in to it after watching his team do badly for a number of days.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    You don't think the EU response is remarkable?

    I think the EU has come in for a lot of criticism about being "weak, indecisive, divided" etc, and I think this response is the opposite of that.

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    rick_chasey said:

    You don't think the EU response is remarkable?

    I think the EU has come in for a lot of criticism about being "weak, indecisive, divided" etc, and I think this response is the opposite of that.

    Not especially. Just a slow version of the rest of the world. Even the swift payment stuff has ended up being a fudge.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Ok well I fundamentally disagree. EU had gone further than anyone had expected. The financial warfare it’s chosen to wage is powerful and substantial.

    Germany has rewritten its constitution to tool up.

    It’s a massive shift.

    I’m disappointed you can’t see that tbh.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    I think you're both right.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    Germany deciding to spend more isn't related to the EU.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    Ok well I fundamentally disagree. EU had gone further than anyone had expected. The financial warfare it’s chosen to wage is powerful and substantial.

    Germany has rewritten its constitution to tool up.

    It’s a massive shift.

    I’m disappointed you can’t see that tbh.

    I am not happy with the EU gun running
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Ok well I fundamentally disagree. EU had gone further than anyone had expected. The financial warfare it’s chosen to wage is powerful and substantial.

    Germany has rewritten its constitution to tool up.

    It’s a massive shift.

    I’m disappointed you can’t see that tbh.

    I am not happy with the EU gun running
    Because?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TheBigBean said:

    Germany deciding to spend more isn't related to the EU.

    Of course it is.

    What's your view of EU member states sending over weapons and fighter planes to Ukraine?
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Germany deciding to spend more isn't related to the EU.

    Of course it is.

    What's your view of EU member states sending over weapons and fighter planes to Ukraine?
    It's fine. Just weeks after the UK did it. The UK even sent people to offer training.
  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,616
    rick_chasey said:

    You don't think the EU response is remarkable?

    I think the EU has come in for a lot of criticism about being "weak, indecisive, divided" etc, and I think this response is the opposite of that.

    Isn't the issue that the EU being seen as united and deciding to take some sort of action seen as a positive in its own right? Obviously unified and coherent decision making is never a bad thing, but it's not something that individual countries need to do before they take action.

    As always though, it's the quality of the decision-making that really counts. Better to do the right thing slowly than the wrong thing quickly. (Usually.)
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Ok well I fundamentally disagree. EU had gone further than anyone had expected. The financial warfare it’s chosen to wage is powerful and substantial.

    Germany has rewritten its constitution to tool up.

    It’s a massive shift.

    I’m disappointed you can’t see that tbh.

    I am not happy with the EU gun running
    Because?
    I like the EU for economic reasons but accept that a level of political integration helps. I think chosing sides in a war and then supplying weapons to them is a serious escalation in their remit
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Ok well I fundamentally disagree. EU had gone further than anyone had expected. The financial warfare it’s chosen to wage is powerful and substantial.

    Germany has rewritten its constitution to tool up.

    It’s a massive shift.

    I’m disappointed you can’t see that tbh.

    I am not happy with the EU gun running
    Because?
    I like the EU for economic reasons but accept that a level of political integration helps. I think chosing sides in a war and then supplying weapons to them is a serious escalation in their remit
    Presumably they haven't done it unilaterally though, it is just all the member states agreeing to it and then using it as a show of unity?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    Does anyone know who is paying?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    TheBigBean said:

    Does anyone know who is paying?

    It's coming out of this: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/european-peace-facility/
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Does anyone know who is paying?

    It's coming out of this: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/european-peace-facility/
    Danish exceptionalism.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Ok well I fundamentally disagree. EU had gone further than anyone had expected. The financial warfare it’s chosen to wage is powerful and substantial.

    Germany has rewritten its constitution to tool up.

    It’s a massive shift.

    I’m disappointed you can’t see that tbh.

    I am not happy with the EU gun running
    Because?
    I like the EU for economic reasons but accept that a level of political integration helps. I think chosing sides in a war and then supplying weapons to them is a serious escalation in their remit
    Presumably they haven't done it unilaterally though, it is just all the member states agreeing to it and then using it as a show of unity?
    You could use that as a description of all EU decisions. If the member states want to buy guns and ship them to Ukraine then they can do so
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    surrey_commuter said:

    Pross said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Ok well I fundamentally disagree. EU had gone further than anyone had expected. The financial warfare it’s chosen to wage is powerful and substantial.

    Germany has rewritten its constitution to tool up.

    It’s a massive shift.

    I’m disappointed you can’t see that tbh.

    I am not happy with the EU gun running
    Because?
    I like the EU for economic reasons but accept that a level of political integration helps. I think chosing sides in a war and then supplying weapons to them is a serious escalation in their remit
    Presumably they haven't done it unilaterally though, it is just all the member states agreeing to it and then using it as a show of unity?
    You could use that as a description of all EU decisions. If the member states want to buy guns and ship them to Ukraine then they can do so
    Yes, that was what I was trying to say. It's just done as 'the EU are doing it' to demonstrate they are united (and if they are all going to do it they may as well use a centralised fund for the costs).
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,408
    rick_chasey said:

    You don't think the EU response is remarkable?

    I think the EU has come in for a lot of criticism about being "weak, indecisive, divided" etc, and I think this response is the opposite of that.

    It's good that they have responded and followed the UK lead.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    You don't think the EU response is remarkable?

    I think the EU has come in for a lot of criticism about being "weak, indecisive, divided" etc, and I think this response is the opposite of that.

    It's good that they have responded and followed the UK lead.
    ....but not on refugees?
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