BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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This being the Brexit thread, hopefully your parents have their visa sorted, as the current no-visa limit is 3 months in any 6 month window.john80 said:
My Scottish parents have taken their dog to Spain. They are going for four months mind. I don't think it is a big issue for your average two week holiday.pblakeney said:
Must be a SE thing. I don't know anyone who takes pets on holiday.surrey_commuter said:
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The fun will come as more people travel and realise it will cost them £200 to take the dog on holiday and other minor irritations and costs become more obvious
Never met anyone over there who had either. 🤔0 -
For clarification I was talking about a 2 week family holiday. Nothing extended past that.
Most use family, friends and kennels or catteries? Maybe not.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
maybe because we are closer (or dumber) down here but there are plenty of people who chose their holidays by where the dog can go too.pblakeney said:For clarification I was talking about a 2 week family holiday. Nothing extended past that.
Most use family, friends and kennels or catteries? Maybe not.0 -
No idea whether there is some shady cabal whose purpose is to antagonise the EU - I would have thought that sort of politicians would want shot of the EU as far as possible, which means not doing that. I'm speculating though.morstar said:
I’m not fundamentally disagreeing with what you say but those are arguments that have been covered extensively.Stevo_666 said:
I think a lot of people realised there would be a trading arrangement that was not as good as the pre-existing one, but felt that there were other benefits. And I'm sure the views of what those benefits might be will vary depending on who you ask.morstar said:
So I’d argue this was all known by the bunch of charlatans at the time. It was a cost worth paying in their eyes.surrey_commuter said:
It is starting to cross my mind that they really did think they could leave and keep the exact same benefits as being members.tailwindhome said:
When will the penny drop that they voted for worse trade terms?
The thing I wonder about is do they actually want these problems to go away or not?I’m forming the opinion that ongoing friction and fall out is the end game for clowns like Frost. It gives them an enemy to continue to rail against to excuse their ongoing lack of progress on domestic governance.
Perversely, a successful Brexit could have been a really bad outcome when your whole ideology is based on it being the ‘other’ entities fault.
Whichever way you look at it, its done now. But clearly it was not in the EUs interests to make life easy for us, in case other member states decided to do the same thing.
My point is more that; is there a Cabal of anti eu politicians that are actually better served by the ongoing challenges presented by Brexit and wanting this extended settling in period to be as challenging as possible?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I am sure they will have addressed the issues.drhaggis said:
This being the Brexit thread, hopefully your parents have their visa sorted, as the current no-visa limit is 3 months in any 6 month window.john80 said:
My Scottish parents have taken their dog to Spain. They are going for four months mind. I don't think it is a big issue for your average two week holiday.pblakeney said:
Must be a SE thing. I don't know anyone who takes pets on holiday.surrey_commuter said:
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The fun will come as more people travel and realise it will cost them £200 to take the dog on holiday and other minor irritations and costs become more obvious
Never met anyone over there who had either. 🤔0 -
I guess you could assume that all the politicians are diligent public servants.Stevo_666 said:
No idea whether there is some shady cabal whose purpose is to antagonise the EU - I would have thought that sort of politicians would want shot of the EU as far as possible, which means not doing that. I'm speculating though.morstar said:
I’m not fundamentally disagreeing with what you say but those are arguments that have been covered extensively.Stevo_666 said:
I think a lot of people realised there would be a trading arrangement that was not as good as the pre-existing one, but felt that there were other benefits. And I'm sure the views of what those benefits might be will vary depending on who you ask.morstar said:
So I’d argue this was all known by the bunch of charlatans at the time. It was a cost worth paying in their eyes.surrey_commuter said:
It is starting to cross my mind that they really did think they could leave and keep the exact same benefits as being members.tailwindhome said:
When will the penny drop that they voted for worse trade terms?
The thing I wonder about is do they actually want these problems to go away or not?I’m forming the opinion that ongoing friction and fall out is the end game for clowns like Frost. It gives them an enemy to continue to rail against to excuse their ongoing lack of progress on domestic governance.
Perversely, a successful Brexit could have been a really bad outcome when your whole ideology is based on it being the ‘other’ entities fault.
Whichever way you look at it, its done now. But clearly it was not in the EUs interests to make life easy for us, in case other member states decided to do the same thing.
My point is more that; is there a Cabal of anti eu politicians that are actually better served by the ongoing challenges presented by Brexit and wanting this extended settling in period to be as challenging as possible?
Take Frost as an example. Spouts a load of hard line twaddle that obviously can’t be achieved.
Given the role to achieve what he claims can be done, Fails to deliver (quelle surprise), leaves and then starts spouting again.
Easier to be on the outside making a name for himself throwing stones than actually achieving anything when empowered to do so. My suggestion is that he is better served by fueling publicity around perceived frustrations with the Eu.
As said earlier, I do believe Brexit is over in the minds of many. His ilk want it to continue.0 -
morstar said:
I guess you could assume that all the politicians are diligent public servants.Stevo_666 said:
No idea whether there is some shady cabal whose purpose is to antagonise the EU - I would have thought that sort of politicians would want shot of the EU as far as possible, which means not doing that. I'm speculating though.morstar said:
I’m not fundamentally disagreeing with what you say but those are arguments that have been covered extensively.Stevo_666 said:
I think a lot of people realised there would be a trading arrangement that was not as good as the pre-existing one, but felt that there were other benefits. And I'm sure the views of what those benefits might be will vary depending on who you ask.morstar said:
So I’d argue this was all known by the bunch of charlatans at the time. It was a cost worth paying in their eyes.surrey_commuter said:
It is starting to cross my mind that they really did think they could leave and keep the exact same benefits as being members.tailwindhome said:
When will the penny drop that they voted for worse trade terms?
The thing I wonder about is do they actually want these problems to go away or not?I’m forming the opinion that ongoing friction and fall out is the end game for clowns like Frost. It gives them an enemy to continue to rail against to excuse their ongoing lack of progress on domestic governance.
Perversely, a successful Brexit could have been a really bad outcome when your whole ideology is based on it being the ‘other’ entities fault.
Whichever way you look at it, its done now. But clearly it was not in the EUs interests to make life easy for us, in case other member states decided to do the same thing.
My point is more that; is there a Cabal of anti eu politicians that are actually better served by the ongoing challenges presented by Brexit and wanting this extended settling in period to be as challenging as possible?
Take Frost as an example. Spouts a load of hard line twaddle that obviously can’t be achieved.
Given the role to achieve what he claims can be done, Fails to deliver (quelle surprise), leaves and then starts spouting again.
Easier to be on the outside making a name for himself throwing stones than actually achieving anything when empowered to do so. My suggestion is that he is better served by fueling publicity around perceived frustrations with the Eu.
As said earlier, I do believe Brexit is over in the minds of many. His ilk want it to continue.
I think they need the EU and 'The Blob' as imaginary foes to justify their never-ending crossness with the world, as they can't blame Labour for all the UK's woes, given how long they've been in power.0 -
They need to be able to blame the EU for everything, or at least give the impression of being better. Who knows, people might look closer to home otherwise.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If you look at the Brexiteer postings on here I would say that the EU is a real foe for them. To me it seems that Brexit is merely a signpost in the road to ending the EU.briantrumpet said:morstar said:
I guess you could assume that all the politicians are diligent public servants.Stevo_666 said:
No idea whether there is some shady cabal whose purpose is to antagonise the EU - I would have thought that sort of politicians would want shot of the EU as far as possible, which means not doing that. I'm speculating though.morstar said:
I’m not fundamentally disagreeing with what you say but those are arguments that have been covered extensively.Stevo_666 said:
I think a lot of people realised there would be a trading arrangement that was not as good as the pre-existing one, but felt that there were other benefits. And I'm sure the views of what those benefits might be will vary depending on who you ask.morstar said:
So I’d argue this was all known by the bunch of charlatans at the time. It was a cost worth paying in their eyes.surrey_commuter said:
It is starting to cross my mind that they really did think they could leave and keep the exact same benefits as being members.tailwindhome said:
When will the penny drop that they voted for worse trade terms?
The thing I wonder about is do they actually want these problems to go away or not?I’m forming the opinion that ongoing friction and fall out is the end game for clowns like Frost. It gives them an enemy to continue to rail against to excuse their ongoing lack of progress on domestic governance.
Perversely, a successful Brexit could have been a really bad outcome when your whole ideology is based on it being the ‘other’ entities fault.
Whichever way you look at it, its done now. But clearly it was not in the EUs interests to make life easy for us, in case other member states decided to do the same thing.
My point is more that; is there a Cabal of anti eu politicians that are actually better served by the ongoing challenges presented by Brexit and wanting this extended settling in period to be as challenging as possible?
Take Frost as an example. Spouts a load of hard line twaddle that obviously can’t be achieved.
Given the role to achieve what he claims can be done, Fails to deliver (quelle surprise), leaves and then starts spouting again.
Easier to be on the outside making a name for himself throwing stones than actually achieving anything when empowered to do so. My suggestion is that he is better served by fueling publicity around perceived frustrations with the Eu.
As said earlier, I do believe Brexit is over in the minds of many. His ilk want it to continue.
I think they need the EU and 'The Blob' as imaginary foes to justify their never-ending crossness with the world, as they can't blame Labour for all the UK's woes, given how long they've been in power.1 -
surrey_commuter said:
If you look at the Brexiteer postings on here I would say that the EU is a real foe for them. To me it seems that Brexit is merely a signpost in the road to ending the EU.briantrumpet said:morstar said:
I guess you could assume that all the politicians are diligent public servants.Stevo_666 said:
No idea whether there is some shady cabal whose purpose is to antagonise the EU - I would have thought that sort of politicians would want shot of the EU as far as possible, which means not doing that. I'm speculating though.morstar said:
I’m not fundamentally disagreeing with what you say but those are arguments that have been covered extensively.Stevo_666 said:
I think a lot of people realised there would be a trading arrangement that was not as good as the pre-existing one, but felt that there were other benefits. And I'm sure the views of what those benefits might be will vary depending on who you ask.morstar said:
So I’d argue this was all known by the bunch of charlatans at the time. It was a cost worth paying in their eyes.surrey_commuter said:
It is starting to cross my mind that they really did think they could leave and keep the exact same benefits as being members.tailwindhome said:
When will the penny drop that they voted for worse trade terms?
The thing I wonder about is do they actually want these problems to go away or not?I’m forming the opinion that ongoing friction and fall out is the end game for clowns like Frost. It gives them an enemy to continue to rail against to excuse their ongoing lack of progress on domestic governance.
Perversely, a successful Brexit could have been a really bad outcome when your whole ideology is based on it being the ‘other’ entities fault.
Whichever way you look at it, its done now. But clearly it was not in the EUs interests to make life easy for us, in case other member states decided to do the same thing.
My point is more that; is there a Cabal of anti eu politicians that are actually better served by the ongoing challenges presented by Brexit and wanting this extended settling in period to be as challenging as possible?
Take Frost as an example. Spouts a load of hard line twaddle that obviously can’t be achieved.
Given the role to achieve what he claims can be done, Fails to deliver (quelle surprise), leaves and then starts spouting again.
Easier to be on the outside making a name for himself throwing stones than actually achieving anything when empowered to do so. My suggestion is that he is better served by fueling publicity around perceived frustrations with the Eu.
As said earlier, I do believe Brexit is over in the minds of many. His ilk want it to continue.
I think they need the EU and 'The Blob' as imaginary foes to justify their never-ending crossness with the world, as they can't blame Labour for all the UK's woes, given how long they've been in power.
Yes, you have a point. I suppose they don't have the same hatred of the US, as generally standards (consumer/worker protections, animal welfare, etc) are lower there.0 -
The boss of one of Britain's big retailers says Brexit has turned out to be "considerably worse" than he feared.
Peter Cowgill, chairman of JD Sports, said the red tape and delays in shipping goods to mainland Europe meant "double-digit millions" in extra costs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55997641
It's going to take while to figure out the impact of this thing that's done.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I think the Brexit goal of removing red-tape is a smoke screen to lowering standards. They’ve removed the red tape concerning river pollution, now we’ve got heavily polluted rivers. We were promised higher environmental standards than the EU, now the environmental agency is underfunded and only the very worst cases are investigated.
Let’s see what happens when more `red tape` is removed.
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It seems like the penny might have dropped: the DUP's been played.In a contribution missed by most media late last Monday night, he [Ian Paisley] raised concerns that the government didn’t give a jot about unionists here but cared only for its own electoral fortunes.
You talk about the political penny dropping slowly. Everybody has been telling Paisley’s party this for five years but it covered its eyes and ears and refused to see the truth staring it in the face.
It’s very much a case of Conservative con-artistry for slow-learners. Five days after the DUP torpedoed Stormont over the protocol, the North Antrim MP was hurt that “the prime minister of the United Kingdom” hadn’t even spoken on the matter.
“He should not shut up about it until the issue is resolved,” Paisley said. “There is a fear that the Conservative and Unionist Party which governs this nation is actually an English nationalist party.
Ya don't say, Mr Paisley?!
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/suzanne-breen/what-a-fool-ian-paisley-has-been-century-after-carson-and-in-midst-of-their-brexit-betrayal-the-penny-finally-drops-over-tory-infidelity-41342001.html0 -
The "whatever the cost, it will be worth it" attitude has always included N.I. imo.
The time you find out your value to others is when your going gets tough.*
*Applies to all scenarios including other more serious current ones.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
So far they have mostly increased red tape and there is more in the pipeline. It's just a slogan with little intention to follow through.masjer said:I think the Brexit goal of removing red-tape is a smoke screen to lowering standards. They’ve removed the red tape concerning river pollution, now we’ve got heavily polluted rivers. We were promised higher environmental standards than the EU, now the environmental agency is underfunded and only the very worst cases are investigated.
Let’s see what happens when more `red tape` is removed.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
So far they have mostly increased red tape and there is more in the pipeline. It's just a slogan with little intention to follow through.masjer said:I think the Brexit goal of removing red-tape is a smoke screen to lowering standards. They’ve removed the red tape concerning river pollution, now we’ve got heavily polluted rivers. We were promised higher environmental standards than the EU, now the environmental agency is underfunded and only the very worst cases are investigated.
Let’s see what happens when more `red tape` is removed.
'Getting Brexit Done' was just a wrecking exercise. There was no real plan other than that. I don't think that even asking Sun 'readers' for ideas was part of any plan, but it's all they've managed to come up with so far.0 -
Credit where credit's due, they've delivered on some of their three word slogans:
`Get Brexit Done` Yes, done, we've all been done!
`Unleash Britain's Potential` No, complete and utter failure!
`Britain Deserves Better` Yes, true, Britain does deserve better!0 -
Not wishing to be confrontational but the chronology moan about the lack of Brexit benefits is leaving me perplexed.
There was never going to be an economic benefit to Brexit and the obvious economic cost was a price worth paying.
Half a decade after Brexit they have appointed a Minister to identify the benefits of Brexit. Does anybody wonder why they were not more apparent and why JRM did not turn up with a colour coded XL, hopefully not limited to 7,000 lines?0 -
He needs to move to the sunlit uplands of Kenttailwindhome said:The boss of one of Britain's big retailers says Brexit has turned out to be "considerably worse" than he feared.
Peter Cowgill, chairman of JD Sports, said the red tape and delays in shipping goods to mainland Europe meant "double-digit millions" in extra costs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55997641
It's going to take while to figure out the impact of this thing that's done.0 -
Can't be right, I read on here that it hasn't made any difference. Presumably JD Sports didn't do enough preparationtailwindhome said:The boss of one of Britain's big retailers says Brexit has turned out to be "considerably worse" than he feared.
Peter Cowgill, chairman of JD Sports, said the red tape and delays in shipping goods to mainland Europe meant "double-digit millions" in extra costs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55997641
It's going to take while to figure out the impact of this thing that's done.0 -
I don't remember reading the chapter about the 'wisdom of crowds' in my history books at school. Maybe that's just in posh schools they do that sort of history.
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Pounds and Ounces. I am sure he can find a crowd at a conservative who'd love that.briantrumpet said:I don't remember reading the chapter about the 'wisdom of crowds' in my history books at school. Maybe that's just in posh schools they do that sort of history.
I'm a good decade over the UK median age and I see no reason to hark back to imperial but am pretty sure it's coming in some dressed up form.0 -
morstar said:
Pounds and Ounces. I am sure he can find a crowd at a conservative who'd love that.briantrumpet said:I don't remember reading the chapter about the 'wisdom of crowds' in my history books at school. Maybe that's just in posh schools they do that sort of history.
I'm a good decade over the UK median age and I see no reason to hark back to imperial but am pretty sure it's coming in some dressed up form.
To be fair, he's probably got twelve fingers from posh inbreeding, so it's easier to count inches and the pennies in a shilling.-1 -
I doubt it. Only the US, Liberia and Myanmar use the imperial system to any significant degree.morstar said:
Pounds and Ounces. I am sure he can find a crowd at a conservative who'd love that.briantrumpet said:I don't remember reading the chapter about the 'wisdom of crowds' in my history books at school. Maybe that's just in posh schools they do that sort of history.
I'm a good decade over the UK median age and I see no reason to hark back to imperial but am pretty sure it's coming in some dressed up form.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
rjsterry said:
I doubt it. Only the US, Liberia and Myanmar use the imperial system to any significant degree.morstar said:
Pounds and Ounces. I am sure he can find a crowd at a conservative who'd love that.briantrumpet said:I don't remember reading the chapter about the 'wisdom of crowds' in my history books at school. Maybe that's just in posh schools they do that sort of history.
I'm a good decade over the UK median age and I see no reason to hark back to imperial but am pretty sure it's coming in some dressed up form.
You're assuming logic comes into their heads...0 -
Now, if we can get just get a trade deal with Myanmar, we'll be trading in pounds and ounces again. Pure heaven.0
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It’s symbolism though. And the fact they’ve put the vacuous wannabe Victorian Mogg in charge fully suggests symbolism is what we’re left with.rjsterry said:
I doubt it. Only the US, Liberia and Myanmar use the imperial system to any significant degree.morstar said:
Pounds and Ounces. I am sure he can find a crowd at a conservative who'd love that.briantrumpet said:I don't remember reading the chapter about the 'wisdom of crowds' in my history books at school. Maybe that's just in posh schools they do that sort of history.
I'm a good decade over the UK median age and I see no reason to hark back to imperial but am pretty sure it's coming in some dressed up form.
I doubt metric will be outlawed but there will be a whole song and dance about lbs and ozs being liberated from Eu tyranny. Much like the blue passports and pint/crown marks.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Wait just a minute. What, what, what?
Bowing down to Johnny Foreigner rules? That can't be right in this Brexit age.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
