BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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You know how Leave harped on about getting rid of unnecessary red tape? Well it cost us +£200, a vets visit and a 30 page document (with most clauses n/a) to bring our cat to Germany.
Previously, we used her £15 passport. We’ll be getting her a German one while we’re here - €15.
Oh and I know have a fucking France stamp in my passport.Ben
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Things change in line with the situation. This is a good example.rjsterry said:
Except they can choose. It's a good job we agreed all this and wrote it down in 1951 rather than relying on trite little sayings. We signed up when Churchill was PM so it must be OK.Stevo_666 said:
They have already reached at least one civilised, safe country (France) in which they could claim asylum yet they choose to continue to the UK. If they really were desperate asylum seekers they would be happy to be in France or indeed anywhere on the continent of milk and honey. After all, we keep getting told in Cake Stop how much better it is over there....rjsterry said:
Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.
Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes.
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Cost saving measures there.john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
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Probably cheaper to give them a house with a new car on the drivewaykingstongraham said:
Cost saving measures there.john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
And it is really jarring that he could be referring to the high probability of being detained at the pleasure of more than one monarch
Their majesties or her majesty’s but never her majesties0 -
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
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They take your passport and leave you in sangatte.briantrumpet said:
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
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Possibly guessing that Queenie doesn't have that long to go relative to the immigrants, so majesties. Needs a bit of a royal disaster to be a follow up queen though. 😉surrey_commuter said:
Probably cheaper to give them a house with a new car on the drivewaykingstongraham said:
Cost saving measures there.john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
And it is really jarring that he could be referring to the high probability of being detained at the pleasure of more than one monarch
Their majesties or her majesty’s but never her majesties
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I wonder if there would be any little boats that could give me a lift back...darkhairedlord said:
They take your passport and leave you in sangatte.briantrumpet said:
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
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I think France has some other sort of visa if you ever need to stay longer. It's a bit of a flaw in the Schengen system as it discourages foreign tourists from spending longer in what is now a large area, but it is the best they could agree.briantrumpet said:
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
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TheBigBean said:
I think France has some other sort of visa if you ever need to stay longer. It's a bit of a flaw in the Schengen system as it discourages foreign tourists from spending longer in what is now a large area, but it is the best they could agree.briantrumpet said:
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
Yes, I can apply for a six-month or 12-month visa for about £90, as long as I can show I have sufficient funds to sustain myself without working, as I'd not be allowed to. Thanks Brexit. (Well, I could apply with insufficient funds, but they wouldn't grant a visa.)
But I just wondered how they monitor how long you've been there, and what they do if you inadvertently or advertently overstay, and get to passport control on your way home.0 -
They monitor it because they share the entry/exit details every time your passport is scanned. In the UK, an overstayer is unlikely to be rumbled, because they don't often do exit checks, but I believe in the Schengen area they always do checks, so should always know.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
I think France has some other sort of visa if you ever need to stay longer. It's a bit of a flaw in the Schengen system as it discourages foreign tourists from spending longer in what is now a large area, but it is the best they could agree.briantrumpet said:
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
Yes, I can apply for a six-month or 12-month visa for about £90, as long as I can show I have sufficient funds to sustain myself without working, as I'd not be allowed to. Thanks Brexit. (Well, I could apply with insufficient funds, but they wouldn't grant a visa.)
But I just wondered how they monitor how long you've been there, and what they do if you inadvertently or advertently overstay, and get to passport control on your way home.
The best case scenario would be that you are given a ticking off and face more questions if you return. Worst case scenario is you are fined and banned from re-entry.
Personally, it is not something I would ever do in any country, but I have met many people who have, and they mostly seem to get away with it one way or the other.1 -
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Ugh it’s so annoying.Ben6899 said:You know how Leave harped on about getting rid of unnecessary red tape? Well it cost us +£200, a vets visit and a 30 page document (with most clauses n/a) to bring our cat to Germany.
Previously, we used her £15 passport. We’ll be getting her a German one while we’re here - €15.
Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.0 -
Jail people for what?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
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Indeed, how dare you risk everything, even death, for the hope of a better life.rjsterry said:
Jail people for what?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
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I know ignoring treaties is very on trend with your lot but if you want something different we need to withdraw from the UNHCR Convention and there's no sign of that happening.Stevo_666 said:
Things change in line with the situation. This is a good example.rjsterry said:
Except they can choose. It's a good job we agreed all this and wrote it down in 1951 rather than relying on trite little sayings. We signed up when Churchill was PM so it must be OK.Stevo_666 said:
They have already reached at least one civilised, safe country (France) in which they could claim asylum yet they choose to continue to the UK. If they really were desperate asylum seekers they would be happy to be in France or indeed anywhere on the continent of milk and honey. After all, we keep getting told in Cake Stop how much better it is over there....rjsterry said:
Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.
Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes.
One thing's certain Priti threatening to withhold some money from France is not going to make any difference to anything.
Nothing has changed anyway: this is no different to Ugandan Asians fleeing Idi Amin or Vietnamese refugees who ended up in the UK via Hong Kong. People go where they have some connection.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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When you say 'set up processing centres abroad', where are you thinking?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
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We have Embassy's in a lot of countries.tailwindhome said:
When you say 'set up processing centres abroad', where are you thinking?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
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For entering a country without the right paperwork. The remainers amongst you love a good bit of paperwork. We make th domestic laws in old blighty do we not.rjsterry said:
Jail people for what?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
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Ok. So someone seeking asylum in the UK makes their way to the UK embassy and stands in the queue waiting for a FCO civil servant to process their claim?john80 said:
We have Embassy's in a lot of countries.tailwindhome said:
When you say 'set up processing centres abroad', where are you thinking?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
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Presumably there's a middle ground where a asylum seeker visa could be granted?tailwindhome said:
Ok. So someone seeking asylum in the UK makes their way to the UK embassy and stands in the queue waiting for a FCO civil servant to process their claim?john80 said:
We have Embassy's in a lot of countries.tailwindhome said:
When you say 'set up processing centres abroad', where are you thinking?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
I've only visited two embassies in my life, neither were really set up in any way shape or form to process asylum seekers, bearing in mind its a complex issue where you're waiting for a decision for a good while, and need to be housed during that time. Asylum seekers could then just get a flight rather than give money to criminals.
I think that this would be a more just solution, but does have the risk of vastly increasing the number of applications.
You'd then be able to argue that those arriving by small boat, should go to jail...
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Years ago somebody at work had stayed an extra couple of months in the US on his gaap year, had no trouble leaving and forgot all about it. Several years afterwards we were all going to a company get together in the USofA, he never made it through border control, just put back on a planeTheBigBean said:
They monitor it because they share the entry/exit details every time your passport is scanned. In the UK, an overstayer is unlikely to be rumbled, because they don't often do exit checks, but I believe in the Schengen area they always do checks, so should always know.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
I think France has some other sort of visa if you ever need to stay longer. It's a bit of a flaw in the Schengen system as it discourages foreign tourists from spending longer in what is now a large area, but it is the best they could agree.briantrumpet said:
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
Yes, I can apply for a six-month or 12-month visa for about £90, as long as I can show I have sufficient funds to sustain myself without working, as I'd not be allowed to. Thanks Brexit. (Well, I could apply with insufficient funds, but they wouldn't grant a visa.)
But I just wondered how they monitor how long you've been there, and what they do if you inadvertently or advertently overstay, and get to passport control on your way home.
The best case scenario would be that you are given a ticking off and face more questions if you return. Worst case scenario is you are fined and banned from re-entry.
Personally, it is not something I would ever do in any country, but I have met many people who have, and they mostly seem to get away with it one way or the other.0 -
Not sure if you've noticed but paperwork is worse now we're out of the EUjohn80 said:
For entering a country without the right paperwork. The remainers amongst you love a good bit of paperwork. We make th domestic laws in old blighty do we not.rjsterry said:
Jail people for what?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
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TheBigBean said:
They monitor it because they share the entry/exit details every time your passport is scanned. In the UK, an overstayer is unlikely to be rumbled, because they don't often do exit checks, but I believe in the Schengen area they always do checks, so should always know.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
I think France has some other sort of visa if you ever need to stay longer. It's a bit of a flaw in the Schengen system as it discourages foreign tourists from spending longer in what is now a large area, but it is the best they could agree.briantrumpet said:
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
Yes, I can apply for a six-month or 12-month visa for about £90, as long as I can show I have sufficient funds to sustain myself without working, as I'd not be allowed to. Thanks Brexit. (Well, I could apply with insufficient funds, but they wouldn't grant a visa.)
But I just wondered how they monitor how long you've been there, and what they do if you inadvertently or advertently overstay, and get to passport control on your way home.
The best case scenario would be that you are given a ticking off and face more questions if you return. Worst case scenario is you are fined and banned from re-entry.
Personally, it is not something I would ever do in any country, but I have met many people who have, and they mostly seem to get away with it one way or the other.
Thanks. Not something I plan on doing either.
I rather assumed, given passports are scanned by French plod on entry and exit now (rather than the cursory glance of yesteryear), that there would be a database somewhere, but wondered what the point of the passport stamping is - maybe that's just for my benefit so I can tot up.0 -
I thought the stamp was to prove to minor bureaucrats, PC Plod etc, that you were there legally. If required.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
They monitor it because they share the entry/exit details every time your passport is scanned. In the UK, an overstayer is unlikely to be rumbled, because they don't often do exit checks, but I believe in the Schengen area they always do checks, so should always know.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
I think France has some other sort of visa if you ever need to stay longer. It's a bit of a flaw in the Schengen system as it discourages foreign tourists from spending longer in what is now a large area, but it is the best they could agree.briantrumpet said:
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
Yes, I can apply for a six-month or 12-month visa for about £90, as long as I can show I have sufficient funds to sustain myself without working, as I'd not be allowed to. Thanks Brexit. (Well, I could apply with insufficient funds, but they wouldn't grant a visa.)
But I just wondered how they monitor how long you've been there, and what they do if you inadvertently or advertently overstay, and get to passport control on your way home.
The best case scenario would be that you are given a ticking off and face more questions if you return. Worst case scenario is you are fined and banned from re-entry.
Personally, it is not something I would ever do in any country, but I have met many people who have, and they mostly seem to get away with it one way or the other.
Thanks. Not something I plan on doing either.
I rather assumed, given passports are scanned by French plod on entry and exit now (rather than the cursory glance of yesteryear), that there would be a database somewhere, but wondered what the point of the passport stamping is - maybe that's just for my benefit so I can tot up.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
There is no 'right paperwork' for claiming asylum, for pretty obvious reasons. The people crossing the Channel are not breaking the law. They're just doing something very dangerous.john80 said:
For entering a country without the right paperwork. The remainers amongst you love a good bit of paperwork. We make th domestic laws in old blighty do we not.rjsterry said:
Jail people for what?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The stamping is definitely a benefit for you and means there is some system other than a blackbox computer. The UK has stopped stamping passports from a selection of countries, and it is fairly annoying, as now not only is there no record of departure, there is no record of entry.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
They monitor it because they share the entry/exit details every time your passport is scanned. In the UK, an overstayer is unlikely to be rumbled, because they don't often do exit checks, but I believe in the Schengen area they always do checks, so should always know.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
I think France has some other sort of visa if you ever need to stay longer. It's a bit of a flaw in the Schengen system as it discourages foreign tourists from spending longer in what is now a large area, but it is the best they could agree.briantrumpet said:
Yes, I noticed that too... my first ever. I guess they'll be checking my rolling three months out of six now... even if go in October, January and February, I'd not go over, but I'd be getting close... dunno what they'd do if I went over...Ben6899 said:Oh and I know have a censored France stamp in my passport.
Yes, I can apply for a six-month or 12-month visa for about £90, as long as I can show I have sufficient funds to sustain myself without working, as I'd not be allowed to. Thanks Brexit. (Well, I could apply with insufficient funds, but they wouldn't grant a visa.)
But I just wondered how they monitor how long you've been there, and what they do if you inadvertently or advertently overstay, and get to passport control on your way home.
The best case scenario would be that you are given a ticking off and face more questions if you return. Worst case scenario is you are fined and banned from re-entry.
Personally, it is not something I would ever do in any country, but I have met many people who have, and they mostly seem to get away with it one way or the other.
Thanks. Not something I plan on doing either.
I rather assumed, given passports are scanned by French plod on entry and exit now (rather than the cursory glance of yesteryear), that there would be a database somewhere, but wondered what the point of the passport stamping is - maybe that's just for my benefit so I can tot up.0 -
The problem with this idea is that it relies on 1. there being a functioning UK embassy and 2. the government of the asylum seeker's home country not wanting to prevent them leaving. Afghanistan gives a current example of both. We've closed the Kabul embassy and the Taliban seem keen on preventing people from leaving. East Germany was so not keen on people leaving that they built a wall and shot people who tried to cross it. The very nature of asylum means that asking people fleeing their country to fill in a form and 'go through the proper channels' is effectively removing access altogether. Criminalising those not following your model is unlikely to be a threat to people already fleeing state persecution or war.Jezyboy said:
Presumably there's a middle ground where a asylum seeker visa could be granted?tailwindhome said:
Ok. So someone seeking asylum in the UK makes their way to the UK embassy and stands in the queue waiting for a FCO civil servant to process their claim?john80 said:
We have Embassy's in a lot of countries.tailwindhome said:
When you say 'set up processing centres abroad', where are you thinking?john80 said:The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.
I've only visited two embassies in my life, neither were really set up in any way shape or form to process asylum seekers, bearing in mind its a complex issue where you're waiting for a decision for a good while, and need to be housed during that time. Asylum seekers could then just get a flight rather than give money to criminals.
I think that this would be a more just solution, but does have the risk of vastly increasing the number of applications.
You'd then be able to argue that those arriving by small boat, should go to jail...1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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It is always easy to criticise everything to do with the asylum process, but very hard to come up with any solutions.0
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What connection is there here? You seem to be assuming.rjsterry said:
I know ignoring treaties is very on trend with your lot but if you want something different we need to withdraw from the UNHCR Convention and there's no sign of that happening.Stevo_666 said:
Things change in line with the situation. This is a good example.rjsterry said:
Except they can choose. It's a good job we agreed all this and wrote it down in 1951 rather than relying on trite little sayings. We signed up when Churchill was PM so it must be OK.Stevo_666 said:
They have already reached at least one civilised, safe country (France) in which they could claim asylum yet they choose to continue to the UK. If they really were desperate asylum seekers they would be happy to be in France or indeed anywhere on the continent of milk and honey. After all, we keep getting told in Cake Stop how much better it is over there....rjsterry said:
Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.
Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes.
One thing's certain Priti threatening to withhold some money from France is not going to make any difference to anything.
Nothing has changed anyway: this is no different to Ugandan Asians fleeing Idi Amin or Vietnamese refugees who ended up in the UK via Hong Kong. People go where they have some connection.
Anyway, I'm sure the French authorities are trying very hard to dissuade these people from making a dangerous journey in crowded shipping lanes..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
