BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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When there are Brexit developments in relation to NI it amuses me greatly how little interest it arouses on here“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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The UK can pointlessly regulate it if it wishes to.tailwindhome said:
There's a specific Brexit issue around bottled, the detail on which I no longer recallrick_chasey said:I wondered what was happening.
Can't get any bottled water, fizzy or still anywhere in Cambridge. Not even in restaurants - they're offering soda water.0 -
Yeah something like that.TheBigBean said:
The UK can pointlessly regulate it if it wishes to.tailwindhome said:
There's a specific Brexit issue around bottled, the detail on which I no longer recallrick_chasey said:I wondered what was happening.
Can't get any bottled water, fizzy or still anywhere in Cambridge. Not even in restaurants - they're offering soda water.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It's not planned, it started over summer due to driver shortagespblakeney said:
That may be planned. Ours is monthly during winter and fortnightly during summer when the needs are more often.monkimark said:Our garden waste is only being collected monthly at the moment, i heard talk that they were considering stopping it alltogether...
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We had some delays for a couple of days for the general waste and mixed recycling bins due to staff shortages when the covid app was pinging like an alarm clock, but nothing since. Think they've coped really well. I gather the neighbouring borough has not faired as well judging by local FB groups0
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Johnson's entire prime ministership is based on that holding fast...tailwindhome said:When there are Brexit developments in relation to NI it amuses me greatly how little interest it arouses on here
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Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.0 -
What are the developments?tailwindhome said:When there are Brexit developments in relation to NI it amuses me greatly how little interest it arouses on here
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I presume its the EU saying non to starting over with the protocol.
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Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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my mrs is a home secretary tooJezyboy said:rjsterry said:
I don't think anyone takes her seriously since she turned up in an anorak with her job title on it.Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
Why won't they take me serious.0 -
Why should they be allowed to leave a countries coastal waters in a manifestly unsafe manner. When they are six days into their voyage and been repeatedly turned back they might think it is a unviable route. The French are putting people at risk daily with their laissez fair attitude to the situation. What is the coast and burden to putting up 14000 people a year on benefits as they can't work till they are granted asylum.rjsterry said:
Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.
It is pretty morally bankrupt for France to allow this to continue which is a point many seem to miss. I am sure this would not be missed should the roles be reversed.0 -
You just said you believed the boats not to be manifestly unsafe?
How are you turning the boats back, using some kind of force?
No one is giving a shit if the situation is reversed.0 -
France believes they are manifestly unsafe as they think they all need to be rescued but are happy to shepherd them out their side of the channel. The hypocrisy of their statements are mind blowing and need to be called out. Personally I as a sailor think those that go to see are responsible for their own actions and should act accordingly. We act as if those leaving France are in some sort of imminent peril. They are leaving a perfectly good western country to put their families at risk for preference. Try that with Australia and see how it pans out.Jezyboy said:You just said you believed the boats not to be manifestly unsafe?
How are you turning the boats back, using some kind of force?
No one is giving a censored if the situation is reversed.0 -
John your argument seems to hinge around the idea that France are deliberately encouraging them onto dinghies and escorting them half way across.
In 2019 Germany had 1.1 million refugees, France had over 400k and the UK had 130k. That does not suggest a very efficient process.
Is this a big problem in Cumbria?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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It's a pretty big problem in Kent. France are not buying them boats and putting people in them however at 1400 the other week nor is their response overly effective. The jury is still out on the electoral consequences of Germanies and Frances immigration figures and underlying policies.pangolin said:John your argument seems to hinge around the idea that France are deliberately encouraging them onto dinghies and escorting them half way across.
In 2019 Germany had 1.1 million refugees, France had over 400k and the UK had 130k. That does not suggest a very efficient process.
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Well they have a big coast. How much would you be happy for Boris to spend on patrolling our coasts to keep refugees in?john80 said:
It's a pretty big problem in Kent. France are not buying them boats and putting people in them however at 1400 the other week nor is their response overly effective. The jury is still out on the electoral consequences of Germanies and Frances immigration figures and underlying policies.pangolin said:John your argument seems to hinge around the idea that France are deliberately encouraging them onto dinghies and escorting them half way across.
In 2019 Germany had 1.1 million refugees, France had over 400k and the UK had 130k. That does not suggest a very efficient process.
Is this a big problem in Cumbria?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Le Pen bombed in the last French elections. For all the handwringing about AfD, they're still a small protest party in 5th place with THE SPD and CDU running the show. It's only a problem in Kent because the other 342 local authorities are not sharing the load.john80 said:
It's a pretty big problem in Kent. France are not buying them boats and putting people in them however at 1400 the other week nor is their response overly effective. The jury is still out on the electoral consequences of Germanies and Frances immigration figures and underlying policies.pangolin said:John your argument seems to hinge around the idea that France are deliberately encouraging them onto dinghies and escorting them half way across.
In 2019 Germany had 1.1 million refugees, France had over 400k and the UK had 130k. That does not suggest a very efficient process.
Is this a big problem in Cumbria?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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They have already reached at least one civilised, safe country (France) in which they could claim asylum yet they choose to continue to the UK. If they really were desperate asylum seekers they would be happy to be in France or indeed anywhere on the continent of milk and honey. After all, we keep getting told in Cake Stop how much better it is over there....rjsterry said:
Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.
Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Boris has named the 3 Brexit benefits;
Allowed us to have more successful vaccination policy than EU
Freeports
Allowed him to collapse the new Euro footy comp
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I read this in the Times today regarding making the hgv test easier (removing a reversing exercise for example):The Department for Transport said that more changes to the driving test were being made to allow more HGV drivers to be trained.
It said that the reforms were only possible because of Brexit
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I do like the idea that places like Britain agree to go and depose people like Gadafi, arming the insurrection, and then refusing to take the inevitable refugees because they should go to the countries nearer to them, making it their problem.Stevo_666 said:
They have already reached at least one civilised, safe country (France) in which they could claim asylum yet they choose to continue to the UK. If they really were desperate asylum seekers they would be happy to be in France or indeed anywhere on the continent of milk and honey. After all, we keep getting told in Cake Stop how much better it is over there....rjsterry said:
Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.
Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes.0 -
Consequences is an old French word therefore it has no place in brexit Britain.rick_chasey said:
I do like the idea that places like Britain agree to go and depose people like Gadafi, arming the insurrection, and then refusing to take the inevitable refugees because they should go to the countries nearer to them, making it their problem.Stevo_666 said:
They have already reached at least one civilised, safe country (France) in which they could claim asylum yet they choose to continue to the UK. If they really were desperate asylum seekers they would be happy to be in France or indeed anywhere on the continent of milk and honey. After all, we keep getting told in Cake Stop how much better it is over there....rjsterry said:
Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.
Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes.1 -
Except they can choose. It's a good job we agreed all this and wrote it down in 1951 rather than relying on trite little sayings. We signed up when Churchill was PM so it must be OK.Stevo_666 said:
They have already reached at least one civilised, safe country (France) in which they could claim asylum yet they choose to continue to the UK. If they really were desperate asylum seekers they would be happy to be in France or indeed anywhere on the continent of milk and honey. After all, we keep getting told in Cake Stop how much better it is over there....rjsterry said:
Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.
Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
I would probably put as much effort in as I spent talking about the dangers of migrants doing the crossing. Therefore it would be billions.pangolin said:
Well they have a big coast. How much would you be happy for Boris to spend on patrolling our coasts to keep refugees in?john80 said:
It's a pretty big problem in Kent. France are not buying them boats and putting people in them however at 1400 the other week nor is their response overly effective. The jury is still out on the electoral consequences of Germanies and Frances immigration figures and underlying policies.pangolin said:John your argument seems to hinge around the idea that France are deliberately encouraging them onto dinghies and escorting them half way across.
In 2019 Germany had 1.1 million refugees, France had over 400k and the UK had 130k. That does not suggest a very efficient process.
Is this a big problem in Cumbria?0 -
I can choose to sail to Australia and completely disregard their immigration process. Won't work out well but never mind.rjsterry said:
Except they can choose. It's a good job we agreed all this and wrote it down in 1951 rather than relying on trite little sayings. We signed up when Churchill was PM so it must be OK.Stevo_666 said:
They have already reached at least one civilised, safe country (France) in which they could claim asylum yet they choose to continue to the UK. If they really were desperate asylum seekers they would be happy to be in France or indeed anywhere on the continent of milk and honey. After all, we keep getting told in Cake Stop how much better it is over there....rjsterry said:
Why should they be returned to France? They are no more France's problem than ours. The idea that having made your way across a continent and spent a few weeks in Sangatte, you would be put off by a shouty women and her press releases is pretty laughablejohn80 said:
Do you really think there is a coherent and workable plan when the reaction to turning back floating boats that are easily able to make it back to France is seen as some Draconian measure.briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:briantrumpet said:Jezyboy said:
I'm really not sure what the government can do about this. But it does seem that so far they have done nothing but come out with soundbites that temporarily satisfy Daily Express readers.rick_chasey said:Meanwhile in now hostile international relations with the continent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/09/france-accuses-patel-of-blackmail-in-row-over-channel-migrantsPriti Patel has been accused by France’s interior minister of plotting “financial blackmail” and a violation of international maritime law in a deepening diplomatic row over efforts to prevent migrants from crossing the Channel by boat.
Gérald Darmanin said that UK plans, released on Wednesday night, to send back boats of vulnerable people into French waters would not be accepted by his government.
“France will not accept any practice that breaks maritime law, nor any financial blackmail,” Darmanin wrote on Twitter.
Sorry, I don't understand the objection... isn't that the main criterion to satisfy for Johnson and his 'team'?
Judging by comments, poeple are starting to cotton on to the fact that for all Patel's harsh words, the problem has not been resolved at all.
Obviously winter will see the issue decreasing somewhat.
I think the 'tough woman' act is all she's got. Like most of Johnson's cabinet, she hasn't got the intellect or strategic skills to devise a coherent and workable plan to follow through her bombast.
I particularly like the claims that it is so dangerous out there that these people need rescued immediately yet if they are delivered or shepherded south of the rescue responsibility the French don't want to rescue them. Funny how the French seem happy to let them leave the beach and into this certain death.
Beggars can't be choosers, as the saying goes.0 -
The channel crossing would be sorted quickly if the UK set up processing centres abroad then jailed people arriving without following this process. Twenty years at her majesties pleasure might make a few think about believing in the process.0
