BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

elbowloh

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

There are well paid manual jobs and some people just prefer working with their hands. I know people who would loathe being stuck behind a desk all day. I'm totally useless at practical jobs but it must be great to be a craftsman doing what you enjoy and earning decent money. I'd much rather that than working in something like sales or marketing. Also, the older I get the more I wish I'd done a job I love and managed my finances around the salary rather than constantly chasing promotions and pay rises. My ideal job now would be being a countryside ranger type person managing footpaths, getting out in the countryside to walk routes and then doing the design work for maintenance or improvement schemes.

I think i'd like to be a wildlife guide/ranger/photographer.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

Strangely enough I've used the phrase about listening at school so I wouldn't have to do manual labour and it irked a few people on BR at the time.

TheBigBean

I'd like to be the person who finds locations for filming. I have no artist ability or memory, but I think it would be fun to constantly be exploring.

elbowloh

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

You do know that there are very well educated and very well paid people working in factories too?

rick_chasey

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

You do know that there are very well educated and very well paid people working in factories too?

Sure. But with good grades etc there is more choice, in theory anyway.

skyblueamateur

Is this surely not a case of each to their own.

There may have been mind-numbingly tedious jobs in factories of old but they were well paid mind-numbing jobs rather then minimum wage Amazon warehouse jobs.

elbowloh

rick_chasey said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

You do know that there are very well educated and very well paid people working in factories too?

Sure. But with good grades etc there is more choice, in theory anyway.

You chose to work in recruitment?

Dorset_Boy

rick_chasey said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

You do know that there are very well educated and very well paid people working in factories too?

Sure. But with good grades etc there is more choice, in theory anyway.

Different choices, not necessarily better choices for the indiviudal though. Plenty of people would much rather work with their hands, and would be really unhappy being office based.
Plenty of more manual workers are not slaves, they are their own masters, and happy for it.

kingstongraham

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

I've never done manual labour at any of them, but it's nice to work somewhere that you can see what you're trying to achieve.

surrey_commuter

Dorset_Boy said:

rick_chasey said:

elbowloh said:

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

You do know that there are very well educated and very well paid people working in factories too?

Sure. But with good grades etc there is more choice, in theory anyway.

Different choices, not necessarily better choices for the indiviudal though. Plenty of people would much rather work with their hands, and would be really unhappy being office based.
Plenty of more manual workers are not slaves, they are their own masters, and happy for it.

a bloke I worked with hated being in an office and left to become a tree surgeon, now has a reasonable sized business with a couple of climbers.
BiL knew that office life was not for him and joined the fire brigade

Pross

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

I've never done manual labour at any of them, but it's nice to work somewhere that you can see what you're trying to achieve.

One of the nice things about my job is travelling around and seeing schemes that I worked on up and running. I'd hate to do a job with no visible end product.

briantrumpet

Pross said:

kingstongraham said:

rick_chasey said:

I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?

That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.

I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.

I've never done manual labour at any of them, but it's nice to work somewhere that you can see what you're trying to achieve.

One of the nice things about my job is travelling around and seeing schemes that I worked on up and running. I'd hate to do a job with no visible end product.

Would teaching be classed as having an 'end product'? It's a slightly scary privilege getting to play and mould people's brains and (sometimes) change their lives. But it's also never dull, especially if you get past the surface detail of the notional discipline, and try to work out how to switch on and maintain an appetite for learning.

I did a week in PSA (Property Services Agency) in about 1981, and that was enough to make me realise I could never work in an office.

jimmyjams

Over half my 8 uncles worked in factories or shipyards and my own dad was a labourer at the docks when I was too young to remember (he later got a clerk's job there). My GFs included a girl working in an ice cream factory and another in a small factory making Xmas cards (her job was, all day long, to put the sparkly stuff on the cards!)
And when I've played for a football team or was a member of a darts club, many of my colleagues there worked in factories, e.g. one in a glassworks (hot work, he was given salt tablets daily!) In contrast, my cycling club colleagues are all 'white collar'.

I've never worked in a factory, but as part of my job I've visited steelworks, prefab concrete plants, and construction sites, including meeting people working on the shop floor/construction site.
My first job after graduating was with a company which had its own small labour workforce, and given my background I had no problem mixing with them, including occasionally going for a midday drink with a couple. Then one day my department chief told me I should not be 'fraternising with the workers' (his exact words).

ddraver

I spent a brief time in the Ginsters Factory and a printing factory a few times, enough to realise that if I had to be in minimum wage jobs I far preferred bar work. (I really liked being a barista, all except the pay packet).

For a first job though I find nothing as good as working in a kitchen. Properly knocks some adult into a boy...

Ben6899

Just picking up the factory chat. Nearly all my mates that I knew through football, worked* in factories. Most of them in Haribo (and now you know where I grew up).

*machine operators, forklift drivers, floor supervisors.

I know a good few (ex-) forces as well. Including a sniper who I wish I knew better so I could tease out the odd story!

Ben6899

Pross said:

…the more I wish I'd done a job I love and managed my finances around the salary…

Every goddamn day.

tailwindhome

ddraver said:

I spent a brief time in the Ginsters Factory and a printing factory a few times, enough to realise that if I had to be in minimum wage jobs I far preferred bar work. (I really liked being a barista, all except the pay packet).

For a first job though I find nothing as good as working in a kitchen. Properly knocks some adult into a boy...

The eldest boy did a summer working as a KP.

Any notion of leaving school was knocked right out of him by reality

Also, every teenager should work either in retail or hospitality at least once.

tailwindhome

Whatever the multitude of reasons, the drinks industry supply chain is falling apart.

Major soft drinks company stopping production of key lines... Shortage of glass

elbowloh

tailwindhome said:

ddraver said:

I spent a brief time in the Ginsters Factory and a printing factory a few times, enough to realise that if I had to be in minimum wage jobs I far preferred bar work. (I really liked being a barista, all except the pay packet).

For a first job though I find nothing as good as working in a kitchen. Properly knocks some adult into a boy...

The eldest boy did a summer working as a KP.

Any notion of leaving school was knocked right out of him by reality

Also, every teenager should work either in retail or hospitality at least once.

I did a few weeks over the summer at uni as a KP, horrible hot, sweaty, humid work. It was non-stop for hours. Hated it

morstar

elbowloh said:

tailwindhome said:

ddraver said:

I spent a brief time in the Ginsters Factory and a printing factory a few times, enough to realise that if I had to be in minimum wage jobs I far preferred bar work. (I really liked being a barista, all except the pay packet).

For a first job though I find nothing as good as working in a kitchen. Properly knocks some adult into a boy...

The eldest boy did a summer working as a KP.

Any notion of leaving school was knocked right out of him by reality

Also, every teenager should work either in retail or hospitality at least once.

I did a few weeks over the summer at uni as a KP, horrible hot, sweaty, humid work. It was non-stop for hours. Hated it

I did the same but with a difference.
Working at a council run sports centre. Late 80’s and council run so no realistic budget in place and staff not pared down to absolute minimum.

Worked very hard when working but loads of downtime in between. Always somebody on downtime while others were busy so they just kept the busy ones plied with drinks and food.

Tonnes of free food to take home for the dogs at the end of day and free food and drink all day.

The big barbecues for weddings and such like were highly entertaining too.

Had my first experience with liquefied potato that summer which is a memory that sticks to this day.

jimmyjams

Ben6899 said:

Just picking up the factory chat. Nearly all my mates that I knew through football, worked* in factories. Most of them in Haribo (and now you know where I grew up).

*machine operators, forklift drivers, floor supervisors.

I know a good few (ex-) forces as well. Including a sniper who I wish I knew better so I could tease out the odd story!

Years ago I worked with a couple of brothers who told me in their earlier days they had been British Army snipers in Aden (now Yemen). I don't exactly know when the Aden conflict was, or what it was about, before my time, 1960s I think. But if their stories were true, told with pride, you wouldn't really want to hear another sniper's stories. Nor probably his opinion of the indigenous people either.
I never realised until then, that legitimate armies had snipers, I always thought it was just the resistance or the rebels.

I also once worked with an American guy who was in Iraq, and I found it very hard to restrain myself when he occasionally spoke with glee of how his unit came across bunkers into which Iraqi soldiers had fled to escape air attack from US planes (see the Highway of Death) and the US forces simply fired enough shells through the bunker entrances to ensure there were no survivors, didn't entertain at all the idea of giving the Iraqis the chance to surrender and then taking them prisoner.

kingstongraham

tailwindhome said:

Whatever the multitude of reasons, the drinks industry supply chain is falling apart.

Major soft drinks company stopping production of key lines... Shortage of glass

Hopefully there's some covid vaccine related cause in there.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

elbowloh said:

Greggs now saying all their chicken pies, pastries and bakes are being affected.
Co-op saying its the worst supply shortage he's ever seen and Iceland is saying that the "crisis" threatens Christmas.

Where the censored am i going to get my prawn ring?

Anyway, we're making a success of Brexit.

Co-op has had bare shelves ever since Jan.

Total pain in the ars*.

I guess it's worth it for the extra cost of shipping in stuff from the continent.

Try shopping at Tesco or Waitrose. I've not noticed any shortages in those shops near me. Or are these shops with bare shelves only located near you for some strange reason?

So it’s being reported on as I write this on newsnight so it’s plainly not just me.

🙄🙄🙄

rick_chasey

So newsnight report is basically saying that the firms in the supply chains believe the only solution is to open the labour market up to EU workers to the Uk market.

Argument they say is “it’s all well and good the govt saying they only want British drivers - they should have prepared that before. They didn’t and now we are massively stretched and the chains are breaking”

Also making the point the costs are rising so fast that they are pricing out a lot of small businesses ( corner shops etc) and it’s only really the big supermarkets who can afford the prices as they currently are.

rick_chasey

https://twitter.com/amonck/status/1430440166154514432?s=21

And here is the times on the matter too.

rick_chasey

https://twitter.com/c4ciaran/status/1430574591072669700?s=21

The classic talking head line

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

elbowloh said:

Greggs now saying all their chicken pies, pastries and bakes are being affected.
Co-op saying its the worst supply shortage he's ever seen and Iceland is saying that the "crisis" threatens Christmas.

Where the censored am i going to get my prawn ring?

Anyway, we're making a success of Brexit.

Co-op has had bare shelves ever since Jan.

Total pain in the ars*.

I guess it's worth it for the extra cost of shipping in stuff from the continent.

Try shopping at Tesco or Waitrose. I've not noticed any shortages in those shops near me. Or are these shops with bare shelves only located near you for some strange reason?

So it’s being reported on as I write this on newsnight so it’s plainly not just me.

🙄🙄🙄

Well in that case the ones near me are miraculously Immune. I can't remember that last time there was anything apart from the occasional one off thing that we've been unable to buy.

kingstongraham

Do they have cake?

surrey_commuter

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

elbowloh said:

Greggs now saying all their chicken pies, pastries and bakes are being affected.
Co-op saying its the worst supply shortage he's ever seen and Iceland is saying that the "crisis" threatens Christmas.

Where the censored am i going to get my prawn ring?

Anyway, we're making a success of Brexit.

Co-op has had bare shelves ever since Jan.

Total pain in the ars*.

I guess it's worth it for the extra cost of shipping in stuff from the continent.

Try shopping at Tesco or Waitrose. I've not noticed any shortages in those shops near me. Or are these shops with bare shelves only located near you for some strange reason?

So it’s being reported on as I write this on newsnight so it’s plainly not just me.

🙄🙄🙄

Well in that case the ones near me are miraculously Immune. I can't remember that last time there was anything apart from the occasional one off thing that we've been unable to buy.

could you check the cat food (Whiskas 7 or 11+ poultry in jelly pouches) as around here for the last 6 months there have been shortages and restricted to two boxes per customer. I have gone as far as Walton and Colliers Wood so popping over to Bromley could be tied in with other jobs.

pangolin

Are the shortages area specific? Bristol seems to have been largely unaffected so far, at least three shops I've been to (Tesco, Coop, Aldi, Waitrose)