BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Generally yes, but not always. JLR is very tied in with Coventry Uni and Warwick Uni and the Warwick Manufacturing Group based there.surrey_commuter said:
this is becoming increasingly intriguing and despite racking my brains can only think of one bloke I met 30 years ago who used to work at Westland Helicopters. Which equals the number of ex-SAS I have met and one third of the number of ex-prisoners I have met.skyblueamateur said:
You'd be surprised.surrey_commuter said:
maybe we have discovered that people do not move to work on a fatory floorPross said:
A couple, my cousin went up there when he left the RAF for starters and I know someone who did some diving but wisely moved to safer, warmer waters after a few years.surrey_commuter said:
It depends where you grew up, how many people do you know who worked on the rigs?Pross said:I'm genuinely amazed that people can reach middle age without knowing someone who has worked in a factory. Surely even the south-east has such things? I can understand someone not knowing an ex-miner or steel worker. Maybe all those that think wealth is generated in the City should get out more and see what the FTSE 100 / 250 companies actually do.
I also know a couple of people working for big City banks even though I've never lived near London.
Obviously in the 50's, 60's & 70's there were huge swathes of people from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the north & Carribean who moved to Coventry to work in the car factories.
There's still a surprisingly large amount who still move here because of JLR. I assume you wouldn't move from a more affluent area if you were in a good job to work in a factory but there's still plenty of more industry deprived areas where people will move from.
Do these people moving to work at JLR have specialist skills?
It's been a massive boost to the local economy. Not only through JLR and the supply chain but also with the amount of people employed by the 2 uni's.
There are plans for a new giga-battery factory on the old Coventry airport site as well which would be huge for us.
There's still a lot of highly skilled workers in Coventry as a result of our history of being a manufacturing city.0 -
Strangely I know several current and ex-SAS people as well (although not well). Mainly due to being brought up within 20 miles of Hereford and quite a few of them being into cycling.surrey_commuter said:
this is becoming increasingly intriguing and despite racking my brains can only think of one bloke I met 30 years ago who used to work at Westland Helicopters. Which equals the number of ex-SAS I have met and one third of the number of ex-prisoners I have met.skyblueamateur said:
You'd be surprised.surrey_commuter said:
maybe we have discovered that people do not move to work on a fatory floorPross said:
A couple, my cousin went up there when he left the RAF for starters and I know someone who did some diving but wisely moved to safer, warmer waters after a few years.surrey_commuter said:
It depends where you grew up, how many people do you know who worked on the rigs?Pross said:I'm genuinely amazed that people can reach middle age without knowing someone who has worked in a factory. Surely even the south-east has such things? I can understand someone not knowing an ex-miner or steel worker. Maybe all those that think wealth is generated in the City should get out more and see what the FTSE 100 / 250 companies actually do.
I also know a couple of people working for big City banks even though I've never lived near London.
Obviously in the 50's, 60's & 70's there were huge swathes of people from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the north & Carribean who moved to Coventry to work in the car factories.
There's still a surprisingly large amount who still move here because of JLR. I assume you wouldn't move from a more affluent area if you were in a good job to work in a factory but there's still plenty of more industry deprived areas where people will move from.
Do these people moving to work at JLR have specialist skills?0 -
that must reduce road rage in the areaPross said:
Strangely I know several current and ex-SAS people as well (although not well). Mainly due to being brought up within 20 miles of Hereford and quite a few of them being into cycling.surrey_commuter said:
this is becoming increasingly intriguing and despite racking my brains can only think of one bloke I met 30 years ago who used to work at Westland Helicopters. Which equals the number of ex-SAS I have met and one third of the number of ex-prisoners I have met.skyblueamateur said:
You'd be surprised.surrey_commuter said:
maybe we have discovered that people do not move to work on a fatory floorPross said:
A couple, my cousin went up there when he left the RAF for starters and I know someone who did some diving but wisely moved to safer, warmer waters after a few years.surrey_commuter said:
It depends where you grew up, how many people do you know who worked on the rigs?Pross said:I'm genuinely amazed that people can reach middle age without knowing someone who has worked in a factory. Surely even the south-east has such things? I can understand someone not knowing an ex-miner or steel worker. Maybe all those that think wealth is generated in the City should get out more and see what the FTSE 100 / 250 companies actually do.
I also know a couple of people working for big City banks even though I've never lived near London.
Obviously in the 50's, 60's & 70's there were huge swathes of people from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the north & Carribean who moved to Coventry to work in the car factories.
There's still a surprisingly large amount who still move here because of JLR. I assume you wouldn't move from a more affluent area if you were in a good job to work in a factory but there's still plenty of more industry deprived areas where people will move from.
Do these people moving to work at JLR have specialist skills?
Another possible explanation is that us south eastern city dwellers know far less people0 -
I moved to work at a factory, spent a lot of my time on the shop floor and my desk was 10m from the end of the production line. I left to move to London to be with a girl, old romantic me.0
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This is quite an eye opener regarding posters who have never worked in, met or don't know factory workers!
I worked on a shop floor for two years, not in a supervisory or management position (that was to come later) but unskilled, minute to minute, hour to hour, day to day shop floor tedium and repetition interspersed with playground humour and juvenile high jinks. At least I had a day off a week to go to Tec - that was the envy of my workmates. I remember thinkning at the time that everyone should have to experience shop floor factory work.
To know what some people have do to earn money. The sheer hopelessness of it.Wilier Izoard XP1 -
I remember a fellow mechancial engineering student making the comment that the only thing he'd learnt from his visit to the kit kat factory was that he better not fail and end up working in a factory like that...
I can't help but feel it's a rather broad term though. Sitting alongside and just watching a machine that checks that there is a biscuit in each finger of kit kat and flicks off any that have more than two missing is quite crap. The guys I watched assembling triumphs all looked to be having a much better time of it.0 -
Weird sort of irony in being amazed that not everyone knows factory workers.
It's like suggesting people need to get out more and be more open minded, whilst also being shocked that not everyone has had the same experiences as you.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I once worked in a factory that made magnetic cat flap collars:
- take 2 small magnets and stick them at either end of a small metal tube
- Insert the magnets & tube into a plastic case
- Clip the case shut
- Repeat hundreds of times a day.
I lasted just over an hour before calling the agency to tell them I was going home and not coming back. Luckily it was just a holiday job so I didn't desperately need the money.
The next day they sent me to a factory assembling window frames, which I actually really enjoyed but I'm still a bit surprised that they were happy to pretty much leave me to it (19 year old university student with no experience) screwing the bits together with a pneumatic screw gun after about 30 seconds 'training' by the guy on the next bench - I doubt the quality of my work was very good.0 -
Greggs now saying all their chicken pies, pastries and bakes are being affected.
Co-op saying its the worst supply shortage he's ever seen and Iceland is saying that the "crisis" threatens Christmas.
Where the feck am i going to get my prawn ring?
Anyway, we're making a success of Brexit.0 -
I just find it a little surprising as it's a very common job. 11.1% of the working population work in manufacturing. No-one has criticised anyone for it told them to change in anyway.pangolin said:Weird sort of irony in being amazed that not everyone knows factory workers.
It's like suggesting people need to get out more and be more open minded, whilst also being shocked that not everyone has had the same experiences as you.1 -
article in the Times was suggesting one of the problems is a lack of butcherselbowloh said:Greggs now saying all their chicken pies, pastries and bakes are being affected.
Co-op saying its the worst supply shortage he's ever seen and Iceland is saying that the "crisis" threatens Christmas.
Where the censored am i going to get my prawn ring?
Anyway, we're making a success of Brexit.0 -
Co-op has had bare shelves ever since Jan.elbowloh said:Greggs now saying all their chicken pies, pastries and bakes are being affected.
Co-op saying its the worst supply shortage he's ever seen and Iceland is saying that the "crisis" threatens Christmas.
Where the censored am i going to get my prawn ring?
Anyway, we're making a success of Brexit.
Total pain in the ars*.
I guess it's worth it for the extra cost of shipping in stuff from the continent.0 -
To counter the "blame it one the boomers" stories (to the tune of Blame it on the Boogie), it's all the yougster's fault for not wanting to drive lorries
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No toys are Christmas and even the Daily Mail says its (partly) due to Brexit
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It's a really good article. Basically asks why you'd want to go and work "any 5 days out of 7" and have to commit to working nights if you can get almost the same money not doing that. Brexit just brings it into the open by increasing demand on UK based workers and shrinking the available workforce.elbowloh said:To counter the "blame it one the boomers" stories (to the tune of Blame it on the Boogie), it's all the yougster's fault for not wanting to drive lorries
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I suppose this is one way of making my weight loss plans work.elbowloh said:Greggs now saying all their chicken pies, pastries and bakes are being affected.
Co-op saying its the worst supply shortage he's ever seen and Iceland is saying that the "crisis" threatens Christmas.
Where the censored am i going to get my prawn ring?
Anyway, we're making a success of Brexit.0 -
It's surprising as I'm not the most outgoing or friendly person so don't really know many people but do have a large extended family. Most people I know are through cycling, running, choirs or rugby and seem to have a broad spectrum. My dad worked in a factory all his life as a printer (it was a 7 year apprenticeship when he started!) and my mum also worked with him for a while.surrey_commuter said:
that must reduce road rage in the areaPross said:
Strangely I know several current and ex-SAS people as well (although not well). Mainly due to being brought up within 20 miles of Hereford and quite a few of them being into cycling.surrey_commuter said:
this is becoming increasingly intriguing and despite racking my brains can only think of one bloke I met 30 years ago who used to work at Westland Helicopters. Which equals the number of ex-SAS I have met and one third of the number of ex-prisoners I have met.skyblueamateur said:
You'd be surprised.surrey_commuter said:
maybe we have discovered that people do not move to work on a fatory floorPross said:
A couple, my cousin went up there when he left the RAF for starters and I know someone who did some diving but wisely moved to safer, warmer waters after a few years.surrey_commuter said:
It depends where you grew up, how many people do you know who worked on the rigs?Pross said:I'm genuinely amazed that people can reach middle age without knowing someone who has worked in a factory. Surely even the south-east has such things? I can understand someone not knowing an ex-miner or steel worker. Maybe all those that think wealth is generated in the City should get out more and see what the FTSE 100 / 250 companies actually do.
I also know a couple of people working for big City banks even though I've never lived near London.
Obviously in the 50's, 60's & 70's there were huge swathes of people from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the north & Carribean who moved to Coventry to work in the car factories.
There's still a surprisingly large amount who still move here because of JLR. I assume you wouldn't move from a more affluent area if you were in a good job to work in a factory but there's still plenty of more industry deprived areas where people will move from.
Do these people moving to work at JLR have specialist skills?
Another possible explanation is that us south eastern city dwellers know far less people
I wonder if there is a correlation between knowing people working on the factory floor and getting easily shocked / offended by people expressing less PC views?0 -
Try shopping at Tesco or Waitrose. I've not noticed any shortages in those shops near me. Or are these shops with bare shelves only located near you for some strange reason?rick_chasey said:
Co-op has had bare shelves ever since Jan.elbowloh said:Greggs now saying all their chicken pies, pastries and bakes are being affected.
Co-op saying its the worst supply shortage he's ever seen and Iceland is saying that the "crisis" threatens Christmas.
Where the censored am i going to get my prawn ring?
Anyway, we're making a success of Brexit.
Total pain in the ars*.
I guess it's worth it for the extra cost of shipping in stuff from the continent.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I've managed to work at a sugar refinery, a quarry, a sweet factory, a brewery, a steelworks, a glass factory, a couple of smaller factories.
But in London, only the refinery, a recruitment company and a retailer. I'd imagine it's easy enough in the south east.
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that is an age thingPross said:
It's surprising as I'm not the most outgoing or friendly person so don't really know many people but do have a large extended family. Most people I know are through cycling, running, choirs or rugby and seem to have a broad spectrum. My dad worked in a factory all his life as a printer (it was a 7 year apprenticeship when he started!) and my mum also worked with him for a while.surrey_commuter said:
that must reduce road rage in the areaPross said:
Strangely I know several current and ex-SAS people as well (although not well). Mainly due to being brought up within 20 miles of Hereford and quite a few of them being into cycling.surrey_commuter said:
this is becoming increasingly intriguing and despite racking my brains can only think of one bloke I met 30 years ago who used to work at Westland Helicopters. Which equals the number of ex-SAS I have met and one third of the number of ex-prisoners I have met.skyblueamateur said:
You'd be surprised.surrey_commuter said:
maybe we have discovered that people do not move to work on a fatory floorPross said:
A couple, my cousin went up there when he left the RAF for starters and I know someone who did some diving but wisely moved to safer, warmer waters after a few years.surrey_commuter said:
It depends where you grew up, how many people do you know who worked on the rigs?Pross said:I'm genuinely amazed that people can reach middle age without knowing someone who has worked in a factory. Surely even the south-east has such things? I can understand someone not knowing an ex-miner or steel worker. Maybe all those that think wealth is generated in the City should get out more and see what the FTSE 100 / 250 companies actually do.
I also know a couple of people working for big City banks even though I've never lived near London.
Obviously in the 50's, 60's & 70's there were huge swathes of people from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the north & Carribean who moved to Coventry to work in the car factories.
There's still a surprisingly large amount who still move here because of JLR. I assume you wouldn't move from a more affluent area if you were in a good job to work in a factory but there's still plenty of more industry deprived areas where people will move from.
Do these people moving to work at JLR have specialist skills?
Another possible explanation is that us south eastern city dwellers know far less people
I wonder if there is a correlation between knowing people working on the factory floor and getting easily shocked / offended by people expressing less PC views?0 -
Has Rick hacked your account?surrey_commuter said:
that is an age thingPross said:
It's surprising as I'm not the most outgoing or friendly person so don't really know many people but do have a large extended family. Most people I know are through cycling, running, choirs or rugby and seem to have a broad spectrum. My dad worked in a factory all his life as a printer (it was a 7 year apprenticeship when he started!) and my mum also worked with him for a while.surrey_commuter said:
that must reduce road rage in the areaPross said:
Strangely I know several current and ex-SAS people as well (although not well). Mainly due to being brought up within 20 miles of Hereford and quite a few of them being into cycling.surrey_commuter said:
this is becoming increasingly intriguing and despite racking my brains can only think of one bloke I met 30 years ago who used to work at Westland Helicopters. Which equals the number of ex-SAS I have met and one third of the number of ex-prisoners I have met.skyblueamateur said:
You'd be surprised.surrey_commuter said:
maybe we have discovered that people do not move to work on a fatory floorPross said:
A couple, my cousin went up there when he left the RAF for starters and I know someone who did some diving but wisely moved to safer, warmer waters after a few years.surrey_commuter said:
It depends where you grew up, how many people do you know who worked on the rigs?Pross said:I'm genuinely amazed that people can reach middle age without knowing someone who has worked in a factory. Surely even the south-east has such things? I can understand someone not knowing an ex-miner or steel worker. Maybe all those that think wealth is generated in the City should get out more and see what the FTSE 100 / 250 companies actually do.
I also know a couple of people working for big City banks even though I've never lived near London.
Obviously in the 50's, 60's & 70's there were huge swathes of people from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the north & Carribean who moved to Coventry to work in the car factories.
There's still a surprisingly large amount who still move here because of JLR. I assume you wouldn't move from a more affluent area if you were in a good job to work in a factory but there's still plenty of more industry deprived areas where people will move from.
Do these people moving to work at JLR have specialist skills?
Another possible explanation is that us south eastern city dwellers know far less people
I wonder if there is a correlation between knowing people working on the factory floor and getting easily shocked / offended by people expressing less PC views?
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Is that the same one that was arguing that the underlying problem was everything being run with very little resilience (cf. The NHS)? Regardless of the merits of Brexit as an idea, it has used up that tiny bit of resilience and more.kingstongraham said:
It's a really good article. Basically asks why you'd want to go and work "any 5 days out of 7" and have to commit to working nights if you can get almost the same money not doing that. Brexit just brings it into the open by increasing demand on UK based workers and shrinking the available workforce.elbowloh said:To counter the "blame it one the boomers" stories (to the tune of Blame it on the Boogie), it's all the yougster's fault for not wanting to drive lorries
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I am still laughing that Gen Z count him as a BoomerPross said:
Has Rick hacked your account?surrey_commuter said:
that is an age thingPross said:
It's surprising as I'm not the most outgoing or friendly person so don't really know many people but do have a large extended family. Most people I know are through cycling, running, choirs or rugby and seem to have a broad spectrum. My dad worked in a factory all his life as a printer (it was a 7 year apprenticeship when he started!) and my mum also worked with him for a while.surrey_commuter said:
that must reduce road rage in the areaPross said:
Strangely I know several current and ex-SAS people as well (although not well). Mainly due to being brought up within 20 miles of Hereford and quite a few of them being into cycling.surrey_commuter said:
this is becoming increasingly intriguing and despite racking my brains can only think of one bloke I met 30 years ago who used to work at Westland Helicopters. Which equals the number of ex-SAS I have met and one third of the number of ex-prisoners I have met.skyblueamateur said:
You'd be surprised.surrey_commuter said:
maybe we have discovered that people do not move to work on a fatory floorPross said:
A couple, my cousin went up there when he left the RAF for starters and I know someone who did some diving but wisely moved to safer, warmer waters after a few years.surrey_commuter said:
It depends where you grew up, how many people do you know who worked on the rigs?Pross said:I'm genuinely amazed that people can reach middle age without knowing someone who has worked in a factory. Surely even the south-east has such things? I can understand someone not knowing an ex-miner or steel worker. Maybe all those that think wealth is generated in the City should get out more and see what the FTSE 100 / 250 companies actually do.
I also know a couple of people working for big City banks even though I've never lived near London.
Obviously in the 50's, 60's & 70's there were huge swathes of people from Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the north & Carribean who moved to Coventry to work in the car factories.
There's still a surprisingly large amount who still move here because of JLR. I assume you wouldn't move from a more affluent area if you were in a good job to work in a factory but there's still plenty of more industry deprived areas where people will move from.
Do these people moving to work at JLR have specialist skills?
Another possible explanation is that us south eastern city dwellers know far less people
I wonder if there is a correlation between knowing people working on the factory floor and getting easily shocked / offended by people expressing less PC views?2 -
There's a bit more to it to make it even more undesirable. Apparently there is quite a bit of legal responsibility too for the load and this isn't helped by the workers being considered the bottom of the food chain, so not always given the info they need. Also, the time rules mean drivers can end up sleeping in their trucks when 10 mins from home.kingstongraham said:
It's a really good article. Basically asks why you'd want to go and work "any 5 days out of 7" and have to commit to working nights if you can get almost the same money not doing that. Brexit just brings it into the open by increasing demand on UK based workers and shrinking the available workforce.elbowloh said:To counter the "blame it one the boomers" stories (to the tune of Blame it on the Boogie), it's all the yougster's fault for not wanting to drive lorries
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Quite a few factories, machine shops, aviation, medical devices manufacturers in London and South-East. I've visited probably about 30 -40 of them in a previous job.kingstongraham said:I've managed to work at a sugar refinery, a quarry, a sweet factory, a brewery, a steelworks, a glass factory, a couple of smaller factories.
But in London, only the refinery, a recruitment company and a retailer. I'd imagine it's easy enough in the south east.0 -
I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?
That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.
I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.0 -
No criticism from me, but a wide range of experiences is a good thing imo.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
A lot of people needed to fund themselves whilst they were studying. Some pulled pints, some worked in factories etc.rick_chasey said:I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?
That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.
I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.0 -
There are well paid manual jobs and some people just prefer working with their hands. I know people who would loathe being stuck behind a desk all day. I'm totally useless at practical jobs but it must be great to be a craftsman doing what you enjoy and earning decent money. I'd much rather that than working in something like sales or marketing. Also, the older I get the more I wish I'd done a job I love and managed my finances around the salary rather than constantly chasing promotions and pay rises. My ideal job now would be being a countryside ranger type person managing footpaths, getting out in the countryside to walk routes and then doing the design work for maintenance or improvement schemes.rick_chasey said:I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?
That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.
I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.0 -
Meh, much rather the stimulating end of factory work than working in a call centre.rick_chasey said:I am clearly built differently, I grew up with the explicit intention not to have to do any manual or physical labour. That's the point of working hard at school, right?
That it helps you get a cushty job that pays well - that's the dream.
I find it odd in general political discussions that is used as a criticism. Au contraire, that's a winning job. Doubly so if it is stimulating.0
