BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/roaming-charges-are-changing-every-major-networks-plan-and-how-it-affects-you
Try O2 Elbow-man...? 😕We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Asked what success would look like in 10 years’ time, Frost said it was a world in which “we’ve settled into a more normal relationship with the EU … one where we have gone our own way in a number of areas and succeeded … nobody is questioning Brexit. It was self-evidently the right thing to do.”
Evidence? Hmm, we'll wait...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/24/brexit-campaigners-surprised-by-sour-relations-with-eu-says-lord-frost
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Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.0
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Pross said:
Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.0 -
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.0 -
Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
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Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.0 -
A larger more powerful nation using the EU to dictate policy to other smaller, supposedly equal nations? The EU is a vehicle for the northern states to impose their will on the poorer Med countries? Is that it?skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
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If we had wanted to do that so badly we would have stayed in the EU. As Germany is now demonstrating.skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Haha if that's how you see it.ballysmate said:
A larger more powerful nation using the EU to dictate policy to other smaller, supposedly equal nations? The EU is a vehicle for the northern states to impose their will on the poorer Med countries? Is that it?skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
I see it as:
Germany 'We should all expect Brits, where the Delta variant is running wild and they have the highest Covid rates in Europe, to self-quarantine'
Spain 'We're a sovereign nation who relies on tourism so er......no'
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So we never/have never applied pressure on smaller countries to influence policy?Stevo_666 said:
If we had wanted to do that so badly we would have stayed in the EU. As Germany is now demonstrating.skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
Germany trying to dictate policy, Spain telling them to leg it. Don't see what the issue is.0 -
skyblueamateur said:
Haha if that's how you see it.ballysmate said:
A larger more powerful nation using the EU to dictate policy to other smaller, supposedly equal nations? The EU is a vehicle for the northern states to impose their will on the poorer Med countries? Is that it?skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
I see it as:
Germany 'YOU should all expect Brits, where the Delta variant is running wild and they have the highest Covid rates in Europe, to self-quarantine'
Spain 'We're a sovereign nation who relies on tourism so er......no'
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So you don't think Germany is doing anything wrong by trying to impose its will on other nations?skyblueamateur said:
Haha if that's how you see it.ballysmate said:
A larger more powerful nation using the EU to dictate policy to other smaller, supposedly equal nations? The EU is a vehicle for the northern states to impose their will on the poorer Med countries? Is that it?skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
I see it as:
Germany 'We should all expect Brits, where the Delta variant is running wild and they have the highest Covid rates in Europe, to self-quarantine'
Spain 'We're a sovereign nation who relies on tourism so er......no'"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Trying to dictate a policy that hits the smaller poorer countries much more than themselves for political ends. Hmm wonder what the rest of the Med countries think of that. Let's ask the Greeks, they have probably the most experience of this.skyblueamateur said:
So we never/have never applied pressure on smaller countries to influence policy?Stevo_666 said:
If we had wanted to do that so badly we would have stayed in the EU. As Germany is now demonstrating.skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
Germany trying to dictate policy, Spain telling them to leg it. Don't see what the issue is.0 -
You say impose, I would suggest propose. A proposal that has been flatly rejected.Stevo_666 said:
So you don't think Germany is doing anything wrong by trying to impose its will on other nations?skyblueamateur said:
Haha if that's how you see it.ballysmate said:
A larger more powerful nation using the EU to dictate policy to other smaller, supposedly equal nations? The EU is a vehicle for the northern states to impose their will on the poorer Med countries? Is that it?skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
I see it as:
Germany 'We should all expect Brits, where the Delta variant is running wild and they have the highest Covid rates in Europe, to self-quarantine'
Spain 'We're a sovereign nation who relies on tourism so er......no'0 -
Angela just wants it to be easier for her people to get their towels on the loungers of the Costas.0
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Good point, we're learning how to compete in that area, so they're trying to tilt the table.Pross said:Angela just wants it to be easier for her people to get their towels on the loungers of the Costas.
https://youtu.be/LuIJqF8av6I
Very European
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
tailwindhome said:
Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
Victims of our own success it would appear then.0 -
If by success you mean more rona deaths by any other European nationballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
Victims of our own success it would appear then.0 -
No. That's what all countries do by one means or another. To not do so would be a dereliction of foreign policy.Stevo_666 said:
So you don't think Germany is doing anything wrong by trying to impose its will on other nations?skyblueamateur said:
Haha if that's how you see it.ballysmate said:
A larger more powerful nation using the EU to dictate policy to other smaller, supposedly equal nations? The EU is a vehicle for the northern states to impose their will on the poorer Med countries? Is that it?skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
I see it as:
Germany 'We should all expect Brits, where the Delta variant is running wild and they have the highest Covid rates in Europe, to self-quarantine'
Spain 'We're a sovereign nation who relies on tourism so er......no'1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Don't even need to bait the hook do I?rick_chasey said:
If by success you mean more rona deaths by any other European nationballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
Victims of our own success it would appear then.
But I was referring to TWH's point about our vaccine success.
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My question still stands regardless of what others may or may not do.rjsterry said:
No. That's what all countries do by one means or another. To not do so would be a dereliction of foreign policy.Stevo_666 said:
So you don't think Germany is doing anything wrong by trying to impose its will on other nations?skyblueamateur said:
Haha if that's how you see it.ballysmate said:
A larger more powerful nation using the EU to dictate policy to other smaller, supposedly equal nations? The EU is a vehicle for the northern states to impose their will on the poorer Med countries? Is that it?skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
I see it as:
Germany 'We should all expect Brits, where the Delta variant is running wild and they have the highest Covid rates in Europe, to self-quarantine'
Spain 'We're a sovereign nation who relies on tourism so er......no'"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ricks response was probably as predictable as the sunrise.ballysmate said:
Don't even need to bait the hook do I?rick_chasey said:
If by success you mean more rona deaths by any other European nationballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
Victims of our own success it would appear then.
But I was referring to TWH's point about our vaccine success."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That depends I suppose if not being able to travel to areas with lower vaccination rates makes the UK a victim.ballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
Victims of our own success it would appear then.
Choices were made.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Doesn't mean it isn't true and avoiding deaths is entirely the point of vaccines and lockdowns etc.Stevo_666 said:
Ricks response was probably as predictable as the sunrise.ballysmate said:
Don't even need to bait the hook do I?rick_chasey said:
If by success you mean more rona deaths by any other European nationballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
Victims of our own success it would appear then.
But I was referring to TWH's point about our vaccine success.
The crowing about "success" is quite tragic in that context.
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And I answered it in the first word. Do you think the UK government doesn't try to impose it's will on other countries?Stevo_666 said:
My question still stands regardless of what others may or may not do.rjsterry said:
No. That's what all countries do by one means or another. To not do so would be a dereliction of foreign policy.Stevo_666 said:
So you don't think Germany is doing anything wrong by trying to impose its will on other nations?skyblueamateur said:
Haha if that's how you see it.ballysmate said:
A larger more powerful nation using the EU to dictate policy to other smaller, supposedly equal nations? The EU is a vehicle for the northern states to impose their will on the poorer Med countries? Is that it?skyblueamateur said:
Because we would never ever dream of doing that would we.......ballysmate said:
And so should Spain ignore her. Doesn't alter her position does it that she thinks that she, through the EU should be able to dictate policy to other nations, especially ones so much more dependant on tourism than her own.skyblueamateur said:
Merkel is suggesting it and Spain are ignoring her. Maybe we had a bit more autonomy in the big, bad EU then we thought.ballysmate said:Pross said:Club not happy with former member who has spent the last 5 years plus moaning to anyone who will listen how bad it was to be a member of the club. Yes, I can see why that would be a surprise.
Yep. the EU not happy with us. Mutti Merkel saying that all Brits visiting the EU should be quarantined, although fully vaccined. So business as usual, quite happy to throw the Spanish costas and other Med regions under the autobús for political pique.
I see it as:
Germany 'We should all expect Brits, where the Delta variant is running wild and they have the highest Covid rates in Europe, to self-quarantine'
Spain 'We're a sovereign nation who relies on tourism so er......no'1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
The point Bally referred to was about our vaccination programme. Do you think it has been successful?rick_chasey said:
Doesn't mean it isn't true and avoiding deaths is entirely the point of vaccines and lockdowns etc.Stevo_666 said:
Ricks response was probably as predictable as the sunrise.ballysmate said:
Don't even need to bait the hook do I?rick_chasey said:
If by success you mean more rona deaths by any other European nationballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
Victims of our own success it would appear then.
But I was referring to TWH's point about our vaccine success.
The crowing about "success" is quite tragic in that context."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Getting there but not yet, as evidenced by the number of cases and the continuing restrictions on travel. London in particular is still at pretty low levels of take up.Stevo_666 said:
The point Bally referred to was about our vaccination programme. Do you think it has been successful?rick_chasey said:
Doesn't mean it isn't true and avoiding deaths is entirely the point of vaccines and lockdowns etc.Stevo_666 said:
Ricks response was probably as predictable as the sunrise.ballysmate said:
Don't even need to bait the hook do I?rick_chasey said:
If by success you mean more rona deaths by any other European nationballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
Victims of our own success it would appear then.
But I was referring to TWH's point about our vaccine success.
The crowing about "success" is quite tragic in that context.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Yeah sure.Stevo_666 said:
The point Bally referred to was about our vaccination programme. Do you think it has been successful?rick_chasey said:
Doesn't mean it isn't true and avoiding deaths is entirely the point of vaccines and lockdowns etc.Stevo_666 said:
Ricks response was probably as predictable as the sunrise.ballysmate said:
Don't even need to bait the hook do I?rick_chasey said:
If by success you mean more rona deaths by any other European nationballysmate said:tailwindhome said:Having cornered the early market for vaccines we find ourselves unable to go there because they're not vaccinated and we're riddled with delta variant.
Victims of our own success it would appear then.
But I was referring to TWH's point about our vaccine success.
The crowing about "success" is quite tragic in that context.
This is a bit like the team in the relegation zone saying "well we're the top scoreres" which is all very well, but they let in so many they didn't win a match.
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