BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Anyone else surprised at the naïve attitude Frost is showing at these hearings?

Basically all the things people said would likely happen he now says weren't expected and they're 'surprised'

I am not surprised by him pretending to be surprised.

It is such red meat for "I told you so" people (of which I am a paid up member).

Based on the fact that he chose to wear Union Jack socks to the G7 I would assume that he has a lot of surprises in his life

I can assure you they are fairly regular attire for a certain kind of City duffer.

and I imagine that they have many surprises in their lives

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Anyone else surprised at the naïve attitude Frost is showing at these hearings?

Basically all the things people said would likely happen he now says weren't expected and they're 'surprised'

I am not surprised by him pretending to be surprised.

It is such red meat for "I told you so" people (of which I am a paid up member).

Based on the fact that he chose to wear Union Jack socks to the G7 I would assume that he has a lot of surprises in his life

I can assure you they are fairly regular attire for a certain kind of City duffer.

and I imagine that they have many surprises in their lives

What, the fact that the steak tartare is not on the menu today and the 2005 burgundy is not available for the rest of the week?

ballysmate

rick_chasey said:

Never thought I'd see the day Bally and Stevo criticise countries for imposing their will on other countries.

Thought they were proud of the Empire etc.

I was pointing out that Germany was using the EU as a vehicle to impose its will.
Yours is quite a telling comparison. Are you are suggesting the EU is an empire being run by the Germans?

tomeagar

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surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Anyone else surprised at the naïve attitude Frost is showing at these hearings?

Basically all the things people said would likely happen he now says weren't expected and they're 'surprised'

I am not surprised by him pretending to be surprised.

It is such red meat for "I told you so" people (of which I am a paid up member).

Based on the fact that he chose to wear Union Jack socks to the G7 I would assume that he has a lot of surprises in his life

I can assure you they are fairly regular attire for a certain kind of City duffer.

and I imagine that they have many surprises in their lives

What, the fact that the steak tartare is not on the menu today and the 2005 burgundy is not available for the rest of the week?

I was thinking more of turning up to a meeting and finding out some of the chaps are chappeses and the non-white guy is not the waiter

Stevo_666

ballysmate said:

rick_chasey said:

Never thought I'd see the day Bally and Stevo criticise countries for imposing their will on other countries.

Thought they were proud of the Empire etc.

I was pointing out that Germany was using the EU as a vehicle to impose its will.
Yours is quite a telling comparison. Are you are suggesting the EU is an empire being run by the Germans?

Don't forget Bally, EU empire = good; British empire = bad.

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

rick_chasey said:

Never thought I'd see the day Bally and Stevo criticise countries for imposing their will on other countries.

Thought they were proud of the Empire etc.

I was pointing out that Germany was using the EU as a vehicle to impose its will.
Yours is quite a telling comparison. Are you are suggesting the EU is an empire being run by the Germans?

Don't forget Bally, EU empire = good; British empire = bad.

Good or bad, one of them hasn't existed for quite a while now.

ddraver

https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1408681513449820162?s=19

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

rick_chasey said:

Never thought I'd see the day Bally and Stevo criticise countries for imposing their will on other countries.

Thought they were proud of the Empire etc.

I was pointing out that Germany was using the EU as a vehicle to impose its will.
Yours is quite a telling comparison. Are you are suggesting the EU is an empire being run by the Germans?

Don't forget Bally, EU empire = good; British empire = bad.

Good or bad, one of them hasn't existed for quite a while now.

How long do you think the EU empire has existed?

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

rick_chasey said:

Never thought I'd see the day Bally and Stevo criticise countries for imposing their will on other countries.

Thought they were proud of the Empire etc.

I was pointing out that Germany was using the EU as a vehicle to impose its will.
Yours is quite a telling comparison. Are you are suggesting the EU is an empire being run by the Germans?

Don't forget Bally, EU empire = good; British empire = bad.

Good or bad, one of them hasn't existed for quite a while now.

How long do you think the EU empire has existed?

... and the other one isn't an empire.

ddraver

#BrexitBenefit

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

ballysmate said:

rick_chasey said:

Never thought I'd see the day Bally and Stevo criticise countries for imposing their will on other countries.

Thought they were proud of the Empire etc.

I was pointing out that Germany was using the EU as a vehicle to impose its will.
Yours is quite a telling comparison. Are you are suggesting the EU is an empire being run by the Germans?

Don't forget Bally, EU empire = good; British empire = bad.

Good or bad, one of them hasn't existed for quite a while now.

How long do you think the EU empire has existed?

... and the other one isn't an empire.

Correct answer, although it seems to be trying to get there.

rjsterry

Have I missed it invading somewhere?

elbowloh

I only noticed the other day that all the street signs in our town, reminding people to socially distance (the little yellow ones attached to lamp posts) are not funded by the borough council, nor the county council, nor the UK government, but rather the EU.

Buggers invading us with their signs!

ballysmate

And the EU is funded how?

darkhairedlord

ballysmate said:

And the EU is funded how?

Plundering its colonies?

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Have I missed it invading somewhere?

Its more like a business takeover these days

https://youtu.be/nEuj3HP7YLc

elbowloh

ballysmate said:

And the EU is funded how?

Through the German manufacturing empire.

briantrumpet

Is the Telegraph's Jeremy Warner actually a leftie Cakestopper?

So far, the two main economic impacts have been a significant deterioration in trade with Europe, and, thanks to the end of free movement, an acute shortage of labour in some parts of the economy.

It is admittedly hard to be certain quite how much of these effects can be directly attributable to Brexit. Covid has made precise judgements virtually impossible, with the pandemic quite plainly a much bigger immediate impact on the economy than Brexit. Yet whereas the former will likely prove transitory, the second threatens to be much more enduring.

When the pandemic hit, international trade was badly affected almost everywhere. But as economies adapt to life under Covid, trade with the rest of the world has been quick to bounce back. That’s not the case with the EU. This fairly convincingly suggests a negative effect from greater, Brexit related, barriers to trade.

Certainly that’s the anecdotal evidence, particularly from smaller firms, many of whom say it is no longer worth the administrative hassle and costs of selling into the European market. Larger companies will on the whole have developed the systems for coping. But it is a different story among small exporters, previously selling quite marginal amounts of perhaps as little as a couple of boxes of product a month into the European market. Individually, the loss of this business is unlikely to be a life or death issue to the firms involved, but collectively, it all adds up.

To be drawing comfort from the consequent erosion in volumes on the grounds that the effect is to reorientate Britain’s trade away from Europe to the rest of the world – particularly Asia and the Anglosphere – is almost laughably ridiculous. You would not deliberately swap the larger whole for a greater proportion of a smaller one. The fact is that it is going to require very considerable growth in trade with the rest of the world to fully compensate for the loss of trade with Europe.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/06/29/project-fear-bad-pr-guff-global-britain-never-ceases-amaze/

rick_chasey

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdan5qPs/ Haha

tailwindhome

If I understand it correctly the High Court in Belfast has determined that the Withdrawal Act isn't illegal as it has repealed Article 6 of the Act of Union

rick_chasey

briantrumpet said:

Is the Telegraph's Jeremy Warner actually a leftie Cakestopper?

So far, the two main economic impacts have been a significant deterioration in trade with Europe, and, thanks to the end of free movement, an acute shortage of labour in some parts of the economy.

It is admittedly hard to be certain quite how much of these effects can be directly attributable to Brexit. Covid has made precise judgements virtually impossible, with the pandemic quite plainly a much bigger immediate impact on the economy than Brexit. Yet whereas the former will likely prove transitory, the second threatens to be much more enduring.

When the pandemic hit, international trade was badly affected almost everywhere. But as economies adapt to life under Covid, trade with the rest of the world has been quick to bounce back. That’s not the case with the EU. This fairly convincingly suggests a negative effect from greater, Brexit related, barriers to trade.

Certainly that’s the anecdotal evidence, particularly from smaller firms, many of whom say it is no longer worth the administrative hassle and costs of selling into the European market. Larger companies will on the whole have developed the systems for coping. But it is a different story among small exporters, previously selling quite marginal amounts of perhaps as little as a couple of boxes of product a month into the European market. Individually, the loss of this business is unlikely to be a life or death issue to the firms involved, but collectively, it all adds up.

To be drawing comfort from the consequent erosion in volumes on the grounds that the effect is to reorientate Britain’s trade away from Europe to the rest of the world – particularly Asia and the Anglosphere – is almost laughably ridiculous. You would not deliberately swap the larger whole for a greater proportion of a smaller one. The fact is that it is going to require very considerable growth in trade with the rest of the world to fully compensate for the loss of trade with Europe.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/06/29/project-fear-bad-pr-guff-global-britain-never-ceases-amaze/

Would be curious if the people who associate themselves with right-wing politics think this is a left-wing interpretation as to me it seems just factual.

TheBigBean

tailwindhome said:

If I understand it correctly the High Court in Belfast has determined that the Withdrawal Act isn't illegal as it has repealed Article 6 of the Act of Union

Will it go to the supreme court?

darkhairedlord

TheBigBean said:

tailwindhome said:

If I understand it correctly the High Court in Belfast has determined that the Withdrawal Act isn't illegal as it has repealed Article 6 of the Act of Union

Will it go to the supreme court?

European Court surely, now NI is no longer part of the UK.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

Is the Telegraph's Jeremy Warner actually a leftie Cakestopper?

So far, the two main economic impacts have been a significant deterioration in trade with Europe, and, thanks to the end of free movement, an acute shortage of labour in some parts of the economy.

It is admittedly hard to be certain quite how much of these effects can be directly attributable to Brexit. Covid has made precise judgements virtually impossible, with the pandemic quite plainly a much bigger immediate impact on the economy than Brexit. Yet whereas the former will likely prove transitory, the second threatens to be much more enduring.

When the pandemic hit, international trade was badly affected almost everywhere. But as economies adapt to life under Covid, trade with the rest of the world has been quick to bounce back. That’s not the case with the EU. This fairly convincingly suggests a negative effect from greater, Brexit related, barriers to trade.

Certainly that’s the anecdotal evidence, particularly from smaller firms, many of whom say it is no longer worth the administrative hassle and costs of selling into the European market. Larger companies will on the whole have developed the systems for coping. But it is a different story among small exporters, previously selling quite marginal amounts of perhaps as little as a couple of boxes of product a month into the European market. Individually, the loss of this business is unlikely to be a life or death issue to the firms involved, but collectively, it all adds up.

To be drawing comfort from the consequent erosion in volumes on the grounds that the effect is to reorientate Britain’s trade away from Europe to the rest of the world – particularly Asia and the Anglosphere – is almost laughably ridiculous. You would not deliberately swap the larger whole for a greater proportion of a smaller one. The fact is that it is going to require very considerable growth in trade with the rest of the world to fully compensate for the loss of trade with Europe.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/06/29/project-fear-bad-pr-guff-global-britain-never-ceases-amaze/

Would be curious if the people who associate themselves with right-wing politics think this is a left-wing interpretation as to me it seems just factual.

I have been working on a theory that right and left no longer exists and that political allegiances owe more to age. Try rephrasing your question to reflect the new reality

Yeo Boomer does this seem like a wokey dokey interpretation as to me it just seems factual.

Personally it makes me want to cry that this chap has just figured out the bloody obvious after 5 long years and thinks it is disappointing enough to write about

tailwindhome

TheBigBean said:

tailwindhome said:

If I understand it correctly the High Court in Belfast has determined that the Withdrawal Act isn't illegal as it has repealed Article 6 of the Act of Union

Will it go to the supreme court?

TheBigBean said:

tailwindhome said:

If I understand it correctly the High Court in Belfast has determined that the Withdrawal Act isn't illegal as it has repealed Article 6 of the Act of Union

Will it go to the supreme court?

Seems so

I think Appeal Court then Supreme

tailwindhome

Twitter thread on the judges ruling


I particularly enjoyed the judges observation that one of the applicants had voted for the Withdrawal Agreement he now argued was illegal

https://twitter.com/governmentalite/status/1410188514784907267?s=19

TheBigBean

I was one of the few people who thought the protocol was a good idea and a sensible compromise, but it doesn't feel like it is going that well.

ddraver

For the most part, it is

I've left TSS now so there will be no more stories from the coalface but, actually, it's all working ok now. People have decided if it's worth it or not, taken the hit if necessary or re-orientated if not. It's a time-consuming faff, but once you've done a couple, you'll have it down. Freight Forwarders have gladly charged large amounts of money to people who didn't want to do it themselves. In what must be a rare occurrence, the software has actually been designed and works really rather well.

The problems exist in Stormont/Westminster and a lot of that is to do with the inability for this UK government and the DUP to point out what an advantageous position NI could be in being in both the UK and Single Market (in contrast to Gibraltar, for example)

For the record, N.I is not short of locally made sausages. In fact, I heard quite the opposite.

darkhairedlord

TheBigBean said:

I was one of the few people who thought the protocol was a good idea and a sensible compromise, but it doesn't feel like it is going that well.

Well done, that's the first step.