BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Stevo 666 wrote:
Because they were trying to persuade people to remain. Its easy enough to take the most pessimistic set of assumptions in a range - you do it all the time, as I've been pointing out recentlyJoelsim wrote:Stevo 666 wrote:
That one was part of the referendum campaign so there is material doubt over its objectivity.Joelsim wrote:And this one. Figures beginning to look like Severe Shock.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... eu_web.pdf
Why? Let's sack Mark Carney too for mentioning that we will have to adjust to a smaller economy.
As I said there is a pattern. You'd do well to read the Treasury one. Whether they have overegged it for political purposes or not.
This is interesting too. From the FT today.
Britain would continue to pay billions of pounds into the EU budget after Brexit to maintain cherished single-market access for the City of London and other sectors under plans being discussed by Theresa May’s cabinet.
The prime minister’s demand that Britain controls its borders and throws off the jurisdiction of EU judges has led many in London and Brussels to conclude that British-based banks and insurers would inevitably lose the “passporting” rights that allows them to trade freely in Europe.
But in a move likely to upset many Conservative Eurosceptics, Mrs May has not ruled out making future payments to the EU to secure privileged access to the single market. Finance is among the sectors most likely to benefit in any deal that recognised the “equivalence” of regulatory regimes.
On Friday, she assured Japanese carmaker Nissan that trading conditions for its Sunderland car plant would not change after Brexit, in the first suggestion that the government could pick favoured sectors to shield from the impact of leaving the EU.
Several senior ministers have told the Financial Times that the cabinet is considering how Britain could carry on paying billions of pounds into the EU budget. “We would have to be careful how we explained it,” said one minister. “But Theresa has been very careful not to rule it out.” Another senior Tory said: “With Theresa, you have to listen carefully to the silences.”
The Office for National Statistics said the average annual net British contribution to the EU between 2010-14 was £7.1bn, once the UK rebate and the flow of money back from Brussels to projects and institutions in the UK was taken into account.
On top of any future EU payments after Brexit, the UK will also face a divorce bill from the bloc for as much as €20bn, according to a Financial Times analysis.
To appease Tory Brexiters, ministers are looking at ways to finesse future payments. For example, Britain might make bigger-than-expected contributions to EU security programmes or use the aid budget to fund European projects.
Bankers are pushing the British government to find a way for the sector to keep as many of its passporting rights to access the EU single market as possible. They argue that falling back on schemes that have regulatory equivalence with the EU is too risky and would not prevent them from moving jobs from the UK.
Oliver Letwin, David Cameron’s former policy chief, said it was vital that Britain was able to sell retail financial services across the EU. “If we have to buy this market access by making continuing contributions to EU budgets, that may well be a price worth paying, given the number of UK jobs that are involved,” he said.
But Conor Burns, a Eurosceptic Conservative MP, said: “Leaving the EU doesn’t mean paying money into the EU.” He said that had been specifically rejected by the British people at the referendum on June 23.
Donald Tusk, European Council president, said last week that “the essence of Brexit” appeared to include no further budget contributions; he said the UK was heading for a “radical” break, with much looser economic relations in future.
But one senior EU diplomat said: “Even before the Brexit vote, the role of the City of London was precarious. There had an issue with the euro’s financial centre being outside the eurozone. Now that it is outside the EU, it is game over [for passporting].”
British ministers are considering making further EU budget contributions during any transitional period between Brexit, expected in 2019, and the conclusion of any European free-trade deal, which could take many more years to agree. The payments could extend even beyond that period.
Another senior EU diplomat said: “There will have to be a budgetary contribution through the transition.” However, the rebate secured by Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s would probably end. Ministers are considering options for Brexit and Downing Street is refusing to be drawn on its negotiating stance, calling any debate on future budget contributions “minutiae”.0 -
Every day that goes by sees bigger splits in the Tory party.0
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So, from everything we've ascertained so far the only objective of this government is to placate the baying masses and stop so many Poles coming here. For that privilege (despite them boosting our economy) they are willing to pay whatever it takes.
Half of the leave voters think it's all immigrants and we are going to send them all back.
Someone is going to be disappointed.0 -
And yet the lead over Labour in the polls continues to increase - now at a whopping 17 points. As mentioned in the other thread, the electorate have a clear view on which option out of Brexit and a Corbyn led labour they prefer.Joelsim wrote:Every day that goes by sees bigger splits in the Tory party."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
You could say it is respectimg a democratic vote despite the economic consequences.Joelsim wrote:So, from everything we've ascertained so far the only objective of this government is to placate the baying masses and stop so many Poles coming here. For that privilege (despite them boosting our economy) they are willing to pay whatever it takes.
Half of the leave voters think it's all immigrants and we are going to send them all back.
Someone is going to be disappointed.
Clearly somebody will be disappointed, but what's new."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
You could say it is respectimg a democratic vote despite the economic consequences.Joelsim wrote:So, from everything we've ascertained so far the only objective of this government is to placate the baying masses and stop so many Poles coming here. For that privilege (despite them boosting our economy) they are willing to pay whatever it takes.
Half of the leave voters think it's all immigrants and we are going to send them all back.
Someone is going to be disappointed.
Clearly somebody will be disappointed, but what's new.
What I meant was everyone is going to be disappointed, from the citizens of the world to the racist knuckledraggers. 100% unhappiness.0 -
Have a look at this too. Would be quite funny to have the ECJ ruling on whether it's reversible.
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/10/16/br ... f-justice/0 -
Interesting.Joelsim wrote: Have a look at this too. Would be quite funny to have the ECJ ruling on whether it's reversible.
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/10/16/br ... f-justice/
Basically it hinges on Art 50 being silent on whether a state can change its mind and withdraw from the exit process after triggering Art 50 but before actually leaving.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-how-does-article-50-work-2016-7
But the implications are pretty significant."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
Interesting.Joelsim wrote: Have a look at this too. Would be quite funny to have the ECJ ruling on whether it's reversible.
https://waitingfortax.com/2016/10/16/br ... f-justice/
Basically it hinges on Art 50 being silent on whether a state can change its mind and withdraw from the exit process after triggering Art 50 but before actually leaving.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-how-does-article-50-work-2016-7
But the implications are pretty significant.
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Yeah, but ultimately this is what you get when you put a question to the electorate. The sainted M Thatcher was, I believe, scathing about referendums (last resort of dictators, or something). The huffing, puffing, posturing and weak vaccilllation before and after Brexit is but a symptom of Britain plc. Britain is a shabby, run-down place where things chug along, not much real stuff gets done, but fuck it, as long as my generic Asian 4x4 is newer than my neighbours, that's what counts.
Anyway, who gives a toss?Ecrasez l’infame0 -
Prof Issing not happy with the Euro
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... b-prophet/
And Ireland not happy with this Brexit business.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... ing-crisis0 -
Tory councillor wants to make supporting the EU or being anti-Brexit a treasonable offence (i.e. life time prison sentence)
https://twitter.com/CllrHolliday/status ... 1335479296
Who the hell votes these people in?0 -
It's just bants, probably.My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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Facebook? No. Just say no.0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Prof Issing not happy with the Euro
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... b-prophet/
And Ireland not happy with this Brexit business.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... ing-crisis
The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
Anyway N. Irelamd is a net cost to us of £7bn per annum so if we got rid of it we would be filling the EU hole... this could be one of SteveO opportunities0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Tory councillor wants to make supporting the EU or being anti-Brexit a treasonable offence (i.e. life time prison sentence)
https://twitter.com/CllrHolliday/status ... 1335479296
Who the hell votes these people in?
aka Stevo666 0 -
Meanwhile, back in the real world, part... I forget.
Conversation with Belgian business owner, runs the hotel / restaurant / bar been staying at for years. Same staffing issues as the sector has in UK, getting reliable staff, keeping them and the like. Had taken on one bloke with experience, turned out was an alcoholic, caused inevitable problems, had to get rid. Cost her €10k approx to bin him off after only couple of months employment, due to local employment laws.
Now that we will have cast off the shackles of such onerous Brussels driven legislation in our Brave New Future, UK PLC will not suffer such costs..... Oh, wait a minute, we don't and never have. Hired the wrong person to work in your bar? Pay them off with 1 week's notice. Better, still hire them on zero hours contracts in the first place.
And another thing.
Stroppy intrusive UK Border Agency cow at Calais last night. Where you been? How long? Why were you there? What were you doing? Bought anything? Any alcohol? How much? Any tobacco? And on. Mind your own business, shades of the Good Old Days of personal 'allowances', shades of days to come? However, aware that reaction could lead to butt naked, legs spread, sound of rubber gloves, smile politely through gritted teeth and take it.0 -
mamba80 wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Tory councillor wants to make supporting the EU or being anti-Brexit a treasonable offence (i.e. life time prison sentence)
https://twitter.com/CllrHolliday/status ... 1335479296
Who the hell votes these people in?
aka Stevo666
There is a reason he has 666 in his name.
Here's a picture of him as a child.
http://screenrant.com/omen-tv-series-damien-lifetime/0 -
TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.
Online user wise The Guardian is doing very well but financially they are losing money hand over fist.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.
Online user wise The Guardian is doing very well but financially they are losing money hand over fist.
The Heil's having to lay off 500 staff due to a significant drop in advertising revenue. Interesting how advertisers are turned off by vile rhetoric.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.
Online user wise The Guardian is doing very well but financially they are losing money hand over fist.
I think that is almost the very definition of "failed to adapt to the online world" although I suppose they could simply have stayed as print only and achieved a greater financial loss.0 -
Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.
Online user wise The Guardian is doing very well but financially they are losing money hand over fist.
The Heil's having to lay off 500 staff due to a significant drop in advertising revenue. Interesting how advertisers are turned off by vile rhetoric.
But the Guardian is doing the same and it has an anti-Mail rhetoric.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:Tory councillor wants to make supporting the EU or being anti-Brexit a treasonable offence (i.e. life time prison sentence)
https://twitter.com/CllrHolliday/status ... 1335479296
Who the hell votes these people in?
Jesus Christ.0 -
bobmcstuff wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Tory councillor wants to make supporting the EU or being anti-Brexit a treasonable offence (i.e. life time prison sentence)
https://twitter.com/CllrHolliday/status ... 1335479296
Who the hell votes these people in?
Jesus Christ.
It's what happens when the lunatics are running the asylum.0 -
I wonder what paper the PC brigade would read if the Guardian folded?TheBigBean wrote:Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.
Online user wise The Guardian is doing very well but financially they are losing money hand over fist.
The Heil's having to lay off 500 staff due to a significant drop in advertising revenue. Interesting how advertisers are turned off by vile rhetoric.
But the Guardian is doing the same and it has an anti-Mail rhetoric."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.
Online user wise The Guardian is doing very well but financially they are losing money hand over fist.
The Heil's having to lay off 500 staff due to a significant drop in advertising revenue. Interesting how advertisers are turned off by vile rhetoric.
shoddy journalism - 400 in total across DMGT, of which less than half from the division containing DM0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.
Online user wise The Guardian is doing very well but financially they are losing money hand over fist.
The Heil's having to lay off 500 staff due to a significant drop in advertising revenue. Interesting how advertisers are turned off by vile rhetoric.
shoddy journalism - 400 in total across DMGT, of which less than half from the division containing DM
They have 400 staff? wtf do they do all day?0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:
I wonder what paper the PC brigade would read if the Guardian folded?TheBigBean wrote:Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.
Online user wise The Guardian is doing very well but financially they are losing money hand over fist.
The Heil's having to lay off 500 staff due to a significant drop in advertising revenue. Interesting how advertisers are turned off by vile rhetoric.
But the Guardian is doing the same and it has an anti-Mail rhetoric.
As a lefty hating acct you should check out their finances. They have a shedload of money in the bank from getting into bed with some evil private equity firms. Since then then have run the business like some sort of workers collective and are burning through the dosh at a rate of knots.
They have one of the biggest online audiences for an English speaking news site but have no idea (or for many years inclination) to monetise it. Some of their other ideas are batsh1t crazy0 -
darkhairedlord wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:Joelsim wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:TheBigBean wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:The Guardian should hire somebody to edit their articles as they are at least four times longer than they need to be.
The Guardian seems to be mostly in decline as it has failed to adapt to the online world. Once in a while there is a top quality article, but it is often written by a guest i.e. someone who actually has knowledge on a subject. Generally though it seems to fall into the Daily Mail trap of trying to make everything appeal to the politics of its readers.
Online user wise The Guardian is doing very well but financially they are losing money hand over fist.
The Heil's having to lay off 500 staff due to a significant drop in advertising revenue. Interesting how advertisers are turned off by vile rhetoric.
shoddy journalism - 400 in total across DMGT, of which less than half from the division containing DM
They have 400 staff? wtf do they do all day?
DMGT is a massive company of which the Nazi supporting newspaper is the most visible part0
