BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

rick_chasey

kingstongraham

They were just asking Daniel Kaczinsky about fishing. He came as close as possible to saying "I'm an MP for Shropshire, why would I care?"

darkhairedlord

Bu but but Gibraltar.......

john80

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

Good luck selling the euro to the UK population. This would be mandatory for any future nation joining.

Fvckwits would never understand the argument, just tell them it had the Queen’s head on it and was their favourite colour and they will love it.

You don't understand just how difficult a single currency would be for the UK. But then you do like to call those with a different view names so maybe that is the depth of your arguments.

Consider this - say the EU adopted the Pound as a single currency.

Now how many of the objections would disappear?

In your fantasy world the ECB would still set rates guided only by UK self interest with no thought for other nations. Would we be responsible for backing say Italy's deficit. Consider not putting forward ludicrous arguments.

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/laurnorman/status/1342005427559669760?s=21

@surrey_commuter

You gotta love the French high stakes strategy.

Absolutely stone cold.

And as populist as anything BoJo does lol

I know you are using “you gotta love” as a colloquialism but in this case I am going to insist we use the word “admire”. As brutal as it is effective.

Probably need TBB to answer this but does it need member state approval or does it fall under A51 or some other procedure? And if so what happens when they don’t ratify, does it get reopened, and what is to stop us shrugging our shoulders and taking an eternity and beyond to agree a new deal?

surrey_commuter

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

Good luck selling the euro to the UK population. This would be mandatory for any future nation joining.

Fvckwits would never understand the argument, just tell them it had the Queen’s head on it and was their favourite colour and they will love it.

You don't understand just how difficult a single currency would be for the UK. But then you do like to call those with a different view names so maybe that is the depth of your arguments.

Consider this - say the EU adopted the Pound as a single currency.

Now how many of the objections would disappear?

In your fantasy world the ECB would still set rates guided only by UK self interest with no thought for other nations. Would we be responsible for backing say Italy's deficit. Consider not putting forward ludicrous arguments.

My point is that most arguments centre around giving up the Pound, my solution is to keep the Pound.

What % of the electorate would have any understanding of “would we be responsible for backing Italy’s deficit*?” then add in all the other factors to be considered and what % are you left with?

So yes I stand by my theory that any ref on joining a single currency would be about foreigners, the Queen and the colour of the notes.

I am of course too polite to point out that you don’t mean deficit.

coopster_the_1st

ddraver said:

I predict these will impact every GB election from now until the day we rejoin...

Still in denial I see

Never going to happen. We've made the mistake once, never again

john80

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

Good luck selling the euro to the UK population. This would be mandatory for any future nation joining.

Fvckwits would never understand the argument, just tell them it had the Queen’s head on it and was their favourite colour and they will love it.

You don't understand just how difficult a single currency would be for the UK. But then you do like to call those with a different view names so maybe that is the depth of your arguments.

Consider this - say the EU adopted the Pound as a single currency.

Now how many of the objections would disappear?

In your fantasy world the ECB would still set rates guided only by UK self interest with no thought for other nations. Would we be responsible for backing say Italy's deficit. Consider not putting forward ludicrous arguments.

My point is that most arguments centre around giving up the Pound, my solution is to keep the Pound.

What % of the electorate would have any understanding of “would we be responsible for backing Italy’s deficit*?” then add in all the other factors to be considered and what % are you left with?

So yes I stand by my theory that any ref on joining a single currency would be about foreigners, the Queen and the colour of the notes.

I am of course too polite to point out that you don’t mean deficit.

You have spent years banging on about how the electorate is so thick they could not understand anything. You will find a vast majority of the electorate know more about pounds and pence than you give them credit for. Good on you for continuing down the road of duping people. Does this make you better or worse than the people who voted for Brexit that you hate. UK politicians are going to have to get used to taking responsibility for the life quality and wealth of those in the UK. No longer will the phrase EU rules be a credible excuse for their failure to pursue policies that are in the interests of the UK exclusively. If anything your critique of the prior post should be pointing out that I meant the BOE and not the ECB.

Dorset_Boy

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

https://twitter.com/laurnorman/status/1342005427559669760?s=21

@surrey_commuter

You gotta love the French high stakes strategy.

Absolutely stone cold.

And as populist as anything BoJo does lol

I know you are using “you gotta love” as a colloquialism but in this case I am going to insist we use the word “admire”. As brutal as it is effective.

Probably need TBB to answer this but does it need member state approval or does it fall under A51 or some other procedure? And if so what happens when they don’t ratify, does it get reopened, and what is to stop us shrugging our shoulders and taking an eternity and beyond to agree a new deal?

The implication , seeing as the EU refused to allow Boris to speak direct to Napoleon Macron or Merkel last week, and what seems to be being reported by the media, is that it is a rubber stamping procedure as far as member states approval goes.

First.Aspect

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

Good luck selling the euro to the UK population. This would be mandatory for any future nation joining.

Fvckwits would never understand the argument, just tell them it had the Queen’s head on it and was their favourite colour and they will love it.

You don't understand just how difficult a single currency would be for the UK. But then you do like to call those with a different view names so maybe that is the depth of your arguments.

Consider this - say the EU adopted the Pound as a single currency.

Now how many of the objections would disappear?

In your fantasy world the ECB would still set rates guided only by UK self interest with no thought for other nations. Would we be responsible for backing say Italy's deficit. Consider not putting forward ludicrous arguments.

My point is that most arguments centre around giving up the Pound, my solution is to keep the Pound.

What % of the electorate would have any understanding of “would we be responsible for backing Italy’s deficit*?” then add in all the other factors to be considered and what % are you left with?

So yes I stand by my theory that any ref on joining a single currency would be about foreigners, the Queen and the colour of the notes.

I am of course too polite to point out that you don’t mean deficit.

You have spent years banging on about how the electorate is so thick they could not understand anything. You will find a vast majority of the electorate know more about pounds and pence than you give them credit for. Good on you for continuing down the road of duping people. Does this make you better or worse than the people who voted for Brexit that you hate. UK politicians are going to have to get used to taking responsibility for the life quality and wealth of those in the UK. No longer will the phrase EU rules be a credible excuse for their failure to pursue policies that are in the interests of the UK exclusively. If anything your critique of the prior post should be pointing out that I meant the BOE and not the ECB.

I think the mistaken belief that the general population is stupid comes from the observation that so much of it actually believed that the UK was ruled by the EU, which was very clearly not the case.

Not that I'm suggestingyou are stupid or anything.

tailwindhome

Things you love to see

darkhairedlord

tailwindhome said:

Things you love to see

Pwnd

kingstongraham

Sounds like we're only getting the punch in the face, not the kick in the balls as well. Praise be.

I'd still prefer neither, but that was taken off the table.

briantrumpet

tailwindhome said:

Things you love to see

Black is white, etc. It's so Trumpian - make sh!t up, and not care that there's a record of you saying the opposite.

surrey_commuter

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

surrey_commuter said:

john80 said:

Good luck selling the euro to the UK population. This would be mandatory for any future nation joining.

Fvckwits would never understand the argument, just tell them it had the Queen’s head on it and was their favourite colour and they will love it.

You don't understand just how difficult a single currency would be for the UK. But then you do like to call those with a different view names so maybe that is the depth of your arguments.

Consider this - say the EU adopted the Pound as a single currency.

Now how many of the objections would disappear?

In your fantasy world the ECB would still set rates guided only by UK self interest with no thought for other nations. Would we be responsible for backing say Italy's deficit. Consider not putting forward ludicrous arguments.

My point is that most arguments centre around giving up the Pound, my solution is to keep the Pound.

What % of the electorate would have any understanding of “would we be responsible for backing Italy’s deficit*?” then add in all the other factors to be considered and what % are you left with?

So yes I stand by my theory that any ref on joining a single currency would be about foreigners, the Queen and the colour of the notes.

I am of course too polite to point out that you don’t mean deficit.

You have spent years banging on about how the electorate is so thick they could not understand anything. You will find a vast majority of the electorate know more about pounds and pence than you give them credit for. Good on you for continuing down the road of duping people. Does this make you better or worse than the people who voted for Brexit that you hate. UK politicians are going to have to get used to taking responsibility for the life quality and wealth of those in the UK. No longer will the phrase EU rules be a credible excuse for their failure to pursue policies that are in the interests of the UK exclusively. If anything your critique of the prior post should be pointing out that I meant the BOE and not the ECB.

Can you point to some evidence that the UK population understands economics better than I think.

Where on a scale of UK intelligence would you place Coopster? I would have him above average intelligence yet he believes that GDP growth is a matter of opinion.

Let’s look forwards to when Boris starts building his fixed link to Ireland. As an engineer do you think it would be a good idea to have a public referendum on what option we should chose. What % of the population would be qualified to make an informed decision?

rick_chasey

Single market smaller than the UK. Never forget.

rick_chasey

https://twitter.com/daaronovitch/status/1342033121903042560?s=21

Likely true whaddya think Stevo and Bally?

kingstongraham

Why would this deal be better than single market membership?

Aren't we going to be following the rules, but without frictionless trade?

It's better than following the same rules, no frictionless trade and tariffs, sure.

Stevo_666

pangolin said:

The fact that something happened doesn't automatically prove every reason that gets proposed for it happening, correct.

Tell us the real reason then...

Stevo_666

ddraver said:

Deal

Prepare for a lot of

*XXX Won!

*We always knew we'd get a deal

*sOVrEigNty!!

*Got Brexit Done

*better off before/now

*Something about fish

I predict these will impact every GB election from now until the day we rejoin...

And when do you think that will happen? Realistically.

tailwindhome

I'm enjoying the NI politicians and journalists on Twitter reminiscing of Christmases past waiting for the latest deal.

surrey_commuter

We were promised better or equal SM access as full membership and were lambasted for suggesting worse than Turkey was a possibility but where have we landed.

It does not feel like Canada ++ so is it Canada or Canada - - ?

rick_chasey

🤷🏻‍♂️ We'll only find out after it’s ratified; 2000 pages, 1 day to ratify.

tailwindhome

Apparently the hold up us reconciling fish numbers

Literally checking their spreadsheets

elbowloh

tailwindhome said:

Apparently the hold up us reconciling fish numbers

Literally checking their spreadsheets

Spratsheets?

Pross

tailwindhome said:

Apparently the hold up us reconciling fish numbers

Literally checking their spreadsheets

Why wouldn't anyone trust Government spreadsheets to be correct?

pblakeney

Pross said:

tailwindhome said:

Apparently the hold up us reconciling fish numbers

Literally checking their spreadsheets

Why wouldn't anyone trust Government spreadsheets to be correct?

One presumes the continued use of Excel.

darkhairedlord

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

tailwindhome said:

Apparently the hold up us reconciling fish numbers

Literally checking their spreadsheets

Why wouldn't anyone trust Government spreadsheets to be correct?

One presumes the continued use of Excel.

They will still be lotus 123, surely?

darkhairedlord

Doe deal, 3pm presser

sungod

deal summary:
administrative burden on businesses
import/export delays
services industry shafted
every uk citizen stripped of their rights

don't recall any of those being brexit promises