BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,925

    90%

    I thought you might have lowered it a bit by now, but you stayed true to May's deal until the end, so there is precedent.
  • Over 4yrs after the vote and a few weeks before the crucial deadline and he still doesn't even understand the rules of the game he is playing.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436

    90%

    I thought you might have lowered it a bit by now, but you stayed true to May's deal until the end, so there is precedent.

    90%

    I thought you might have lowered it a bit by now, but you stayed true to May's deal until the end, so there is precedent.
    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/brexit-deal-withdrawal-agreement
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    As someone else remarked

    He got an Australian style phone call

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Deal will be announced between 11am and 2pm (UK time) on Monday 14th Dec



    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,925
    It's just the Swedish national anthem play.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,925

    Deal will be announced between 11am and 2pm (UK time) on Monday 14th Dec



    Workings?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    It's just the Swedish national anthem play.
    I don’t know what this means
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    i suspect its disingenuous...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • If you like european wine, now is a good time to buy. Before the rush.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,431

    ddraver said:
    Where do you find all these disingenuous posters?
    The same place Rick finds them?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • If you like european wine, now is a good time to buy. Before the rush.

    Can you explain as I don’t seem to understand anything tonight
  • Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?
  • If you like european wine, now is a good time to buy. Before the rush.

    Can you explain as I don’t seem to understand anything tonight
    On account of wholesalers have got stock tied and cant get it here. Not enough lorries, containers stuck everywhere and brexit fears.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,925

    Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?

    No. See Yanis Varoufakis and the Swedish national anthem. The main point is that it doesn't matter what is said or done, you will be ignored, and presented with something else as take it or leave it.
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965

    Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?

    No it has not much to the annoyance of the Boris bashers. Trade deals don't rise or fall on the face of one person. They have mainly been dealing with Frost and to my mind he has been pretty level headed and measured in his conduct. If anything Barnier has been the more provocative negotiator.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698

    Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?

    But...



    (I don't know what to think tonight...)
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,431

    Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?

    No. See Yanis Varoufakis and the Swedish national anthem. The main point is that it doesn't matter what is said or done, you will be ignored, and presented with something else as take it or leave it.
    Possibly one of the reasons for EU unpopularity?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666 said:

    Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?

    No. See Yanis Varoufakis and the Swedish national anthem. The main point is that it doesn't matter what is said or done, you will be ignored, and presented with something else as take it or leave it.
    Possibly one of the reasons for EU unpopularity?
    Yes, but Varoufakis' point still stands. If you are going to say you're walking out with no deal if the deal is unconscionable, you've got to actually believe it. Tsipras never did. I'm not convinced Johnson does.

    Could be wrong.
  • john80 said:

    Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?

    No it has not much to the annoyance of the Boris bashers. Trade deals don't rise or fall on the face of one person. They have mainly been dealing with Frost and to my mind he has been pretty level headed and measured in his conduct. If anything Barnier has been the more provocative negotiator.
    I'm not sure. Does the blurting and dishonesty include the internal markets bill? I think that had an effect on how much faith they might have in the UK.

    His talk, no. They know him as well as the rest of us, and know he's not there forever.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,610

    Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?

    I suspect they haven't helped. But it's not like a more measured, honest character as PM would be able to convince the EU to split the SM up, which, is really what we are aiming for here.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,431

    Stevo_666 said:

    Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?

    No. See Yanis Varoufakis and the Swedish national anthem. The main point is that it doesn't matter what is said or done, you will be ignored, and presented with something else as take it or leave it.
    Possibly one of the reasons for EU unpopularity?
    Yes, but Varoufakis' point still stands. If you are going to say you're walking out with no deal if the deal is unconscionable, you've got to actually believe it. Tsipras never did. I'm not convinced Johnson does.

    Could be wrong.
    We'll find out in the next 2 days. I think he is prepared to do it.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,431
    Jezyboy said:

    Boris’s blurting and dishonesty have obviously wound up the EU but do we think this affected the outcome at all?

    I suspect they haven't helped. But it's not like a more measured, honest character as PM would be able to convince the EU to split the SM up, which, is really what we are aiming for here.

    How would anyone do that?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Deep down I still think we’re being softened up for a weak deal.

    Any deal is better than no deal right now.

    After all, these things will be renegotiated forever
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,389

    Deep down I still think we’re being softened up for a weak deal.

    Any deal is better than no deal right now.

    After all, these things will be renegotiated forever

    Even if it is, there's one competence I'd give this rabble, and that's to screw even this up.
  • Deep down I still think we’re being softened up for a weak deal.

    Any deal is better than no deal right now.

    After all, these things will be renegotiated forever

    At the moment we are negotiating down on what we already have, if they let us walk we will see what we are missing and negotiate up.

    There is an article in this week’s Economist about the difficulties facing companies who use chemicals it is an example of how unexpected bad things will happen to many parts of the economy which know nothing other than the SM.
  • Deep down I still think we’re being softened up for a weak deal.

    Any deal is better than no deal right now.

    After all, these things will be renegotiated forever

    At the moment we are negotiating down on what we already have, if they let us walk we will see what we are missing and negotiate up.

    There is an article in this week’s Economist about the difficulties facing companies who use chemicals it is an example of how unexpected bad things will happen to many parts of the economy which know nothing other than the SM.
    Yes, if it does come to a full on crash out then lots of deals will be done on the quiet when the British press are no longer looking in the months ahead in the new year.