BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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#bluepassportsmorstar said:
I am genuinely intrigued to see how the next few months pan out. No point worrying about it but I’m curious as to when the first tangible benefits will be clear.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The Chair of Vote Leave figures shit outtailwindhome said:
Yupkingstongraham said:Aren't we a bit beyond whether it's a good idea or whose fault it was?
Nobody is changing anyone's minds on that.
The EU will prioritise the SM CU over the economic hit of damaging the EU UK trade
The UK is prioritising sovereignty over the damage to UK EU trade
'Wrong' doesn't square the circle
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I am glad it is not just me, it is genuinely fascinating to see how badly this will go. Obviously I would rather it was not a country I was living, working in, had any desire to live in or travel to.morstar said:
Agreed. Although I have to admit I thought there would be a deal.sungod said:
brexit was a whiners' project: everything is someone else's faulttailwindhome said:We is the idea the EU are punishing the UK so pervasive?
in whiner logic any downside from brexit can only be the fault of the eu
brexit was provably an act of negativity and destruction, as such, it was never going to end well, but the whiner's will continue to blame everyone else for the damage
The Brexiteer view was always incredibly arrogant and believed we’d get whatever we wanted.
The Eu has clearly demonstrated that Eu integrity is a prize they value highly.
I am surprised they haven’t compromised at all given that it will hurt both Ireland and Eu fishing fleets but it is their right to hold firm.
I am genuinely intrigued to see how the next few months pan out. No point worrying about it but I’m curious as to when the first tangible benefits will be clear.0 -
Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?0
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Own the farmers now they can no longer hide behind the skirts of French Farmersmorstar said:
Removed a serious impediment to being a planned economy
On a sustainability front less planes flying and cars being built, in fact most manufacturers polluting less.
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The smart move is to go before Xmas.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
Make excuses about an unprecedented difficult year.
Which isn’t actually wrong, with the minor caveat that one of the two massive issues he has failed to deal with was of his own making.
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Yep, a morbid fascination to see it all go tits up whilst hoping to be proven wrong all along.surrey_commuter said:
I am glad it is not just me, it is genuinely fascinating to see how badly this will go. Obviously I would rather it was not a country I was living, working in, had any desire to live in or travel to.morstar said:
Agreed. Although I have to admit I thought there would be a deal.sungod said:
brexit was a whiners' project: everything is someone else's faulttailwindhome said:We is the idea the EU are punishing the UK so pervasive?
in whiner logic any downside from brexit can only be the fault of the eu
brexit was provably an act of negativity and destruction, as such, it was never going to end well, but the whiner's will continue to blame everyone else for the damage
The Brexiteer view was always incredibly arrogant and believed we’d get whatever we wanted.
The Eu has clearly demonstrated that Eu integrity is a prize they value highly.
I am surprised they haven’t compromised at all given that it will hurt both Ireland and Eu fishing fleets but it is their right to hold firm.
I am genuinely intrigued to see how the next few months pan out. No point worrying about it but I’m curious as to when the first tangible benefits will be clear.
The fascination is in how the changes will manifest themselves.
In work projects there are always expected and unexpected gains and losses. It is always the unforeseens that are the most fascinating.0 -
Why leave half way through the vacations though. If he's at all interested in a legacy he'd want to leave on some sort of high point... Smartove would have been to go during the summer, during the glow around eat out to help out, blaming long Covid.morstar said:
The smart move is to go before Xmas.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
Make excuses about an unprecedented difficult year.
Which isn’t actually wrong, with the minor caveat that one of the two massive issues he has failed to deal with was of his own making.
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If he was in for the long haul, he should stay and ride out the next few months at least.Jezyboy said:
Why leave half way through the vacations though. If he's at all interested in a legacy he'd want to leave on some sort of high point... Smartove would have been to go during the summer, during the glow around eat out to help out, blaming long Covid.morstar said:
The smart move is to go before Xmas.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
Make excuses about an unprecedented difficult year.
Which isn’t actually wrong, with the minor caveat that one of the two massive issues he has failed to deal with was of his own making.
He is already unhappy at reduced income and the next few months won’t be plain sailing and he is hardly a public servant minded politician.
Even if Brexit is a success, a period of abrupt change is not going to be smooth sailing.
He can claim a partial win now with getting the vaccine rolled out and having not cancelled Christmas. Let someone else sort out the mess.
There’s form already for Tory leaders screwing things up and f’ing off.
God our political options are truly dire right now.
Patel to replace him. That could be interesting.
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We should invade Ireland to resolve the Irish Sea border issue.
It will be in their best interests now the Eu has sold them out.0 -
Boris ain't going anywhere till he is booted out like pretty much all prime minister's before him.0
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Of the last four preceding Boris, two stepped down.0
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Nope. His colleagues hate him - not unreasonably, as he's Conservative in name only. Maybe at the third attempt they'll pick someone up to the job.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
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Odds are very short for Sunak.rjsterry said:
Nope. His colleagues hate him - not unreasonably, as he's Conservative in name only. Maybe at the third attempt they'll pick someone up to the job.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
Next in is *shudder* Gove, who would be disastrous if the Irish border is still a challenge and after that Hunt.0 -
I'm so tired now.morstar said:We should invade Ireland to resolve the Irish Sea border issue.
It will be in their best interests now the Eu has sold them out.
So very tired.
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He thinks a long bike ride is about 40 mins, I recall. Not sure how hard you must need to try to be so unobservant.rick_chasey said:
He has this massively undeserved reputation for being some intellectual heavyweight.ddraver said:Everybody outside of...the cabinet?*.. hates Gove tho. MPs and Party...
(*dunno if its even that wide)
Presumably it’s cover for his weird inability to drink or clap properly0 -
Hunt would be a blessed relief. Sunak, I could live with, although difficult to know what he would do outside Johnson's spell.rick_chasey said:
Odds are very short for Sunak.rjsterry said:
Nope. His colleagues hate him - not unreasonably, as he's Conservative in name only. Maybe at the third attempt they'll pick someone up to the job.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
Next in is *shudder* Gove, who would be disastrous if the Irish border is still a challenge and after that Hunt.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
What are Sunaks Conservative credentials like? He's thrown money out like it's going out of fashion!rick_chasey said:
Odds are very short for Sunak.rjsterry said:
Nope. His colleagues hate him - not unreasonably, as he's Conservative in name only. Maybe at the third attempt they'll pick someone up to the job.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
Next in is *shudder* Gove, who would be disastrous if the Irish border is still a challenge and after that Hunt.
I guess Hunt at least takes you back to boring politician.
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He can count. This puts him ahead of everyone but Hunt.Jezyboy said:
What are Sunaks Conservative credentials like? He's thrown money out like it's going out of fashion!rick_chasey said:
Odds are very short for Sunak.rjsterry said:
Nope. His colleagues hate him - not unreasonably, as he's Conservative in name only. Maybe at the third attempt they'll pick someone up to the job.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
Next in is *shudder* Gove, who would be disastrous if the Irish border is still a challenge and after that Hunt.
I guess Hunt at least takes you back to boring politician.0 -
While we're posting links to UnHerd articles, this is an interesting read.
https://unherd.com/2020/12/brexit-was-it-worth-it/1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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There was a story a few months ago about him leaving in the new year. Wouldn't surprise me. It was maybe based on him leaving on a high tide of "getting Brexit done", but now maybe getting kicked out by his own party for how he actually gets Brexit done.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
But if you observed things, you may actually be forced to challenge or question your own thinking. That is something Gove has proven beyond doubt he is incapable of.First.Aspect said:
He thinks a long bike ride is about 40 mins, I recall. Not sure how hard you must need to try to be so unobservant.rick_chasey said:
He has this massively undeserved reputation for being some intellectual heavyweight.ddraver said:Everybody outside of...the cabinet?*.. hates Gove tho. MPs and Party...
(*dunno if its even that wide)
Presumably it’s cover for his weird inability to drink or clap properly0 -
Even the term 'get brexit done' has unravelled.pblakeney said:
There was a story a few months ago about him leaving in the new year. Wouldn't surprise me. It was maybe based on him leaving on a high tide of "getting Brexit done", but now maybe getting kicked out by his own party for how he actually gets Brexit done.pinkbikini said:Spaffer’s last stand. Who here thinks he’ll still be around by summer ‘21?
He hasn't managed to get any kind of Brexit done. It's just happening to a deadline.
He's signed up to a sea border in the Irish sea and suggesting breaking international law is the only way to retain internal integrity.
All this whilst facilitating a rise in popularity of nationalism in Scotland.
Top marks for utter, utter failure on a grand scale.
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What the feck is wrong in this world when Jeremy Hunt is seen as a good option? Look at what he did with the NHS. Yes, they were Landsley's reforms, but Hunt followed them through. He was also behind the whole 7 day NHS fisasco and forcing through contract changes to junior doctors. He oversaw a huge decline in performance and investment in the NHS during his time.1
