BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Yes.rick_chasey said:Are they just trying to wind everyone up?
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
An extraordinary admission when you think about it.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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If it's true, it's just a massive FU to just about everybody apart from a minority of the UK electorate, who'll probably cheer about taking back control.tailwindhome said:An extraordinary admission when you think about it.
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Only if you believe that they actually want a deal.rick_chasey said:Just appalling.
Think bigger, even if the conclusion is not to your preference.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
Only if you believe that they actually want a deal.rick_chasey said:Just appalling.
Think bigger, even if the conclusion is not to your preference.
Unless they think the UK will be OK with no trade with the EU, sooner or later they will need some sort of agreement on the terms, even if they are punitive in both directions. All 'No Deal' means is 'No Deal Until We Sign A Deal Of Some Description'.
If the past year's discussions have been in bad faith, that's not going to be an easy discussion.0 -
As I said, think bigger even if you don't like the conclusion.briantrumpet said:pblakeney said:
Only if you believe that they actually want a deal.rick_chasey said:Just appalling.
Think bigger, even if the conclusion is not to your preference.
Unless they think the UK will be OK with no trade with the EU, sooner or later they will need some sort of agreement on the terms, even if they are punitive in both directions. All 'No Deal' means is 'No Deal Until We Sign A Deal Of Some Description'.
If the past year's discussions have been in bad faith, that's not going to be an easy discussion.
My conclusion is WTO and even more years of uncertainty.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
With a reputation for backing out of treaties shortly after they are signed, why would anyone bother even talking to us?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Of course he's wrong. These ardent brexiters are teak from the neck up.rjsterry said:A thread from Katya Adler that would suggest that Stevo’s view of Barnier is the opposite of how he is seen by his employers - i.e. They think he is being, if anything, too flexible.
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You know which way I voted in the referendum, don't you?vegas76 said:
Of course he's wrong. These ardent brexiters are teak from the neck up.rjsterry said:A thread from Katya Adler that would suggest that Stevo’s view of Barnier is the opposite of how he is seen by his employers - i.e. They think he is being, if anything, too flexible.
Assumption is the mother of all **** ups, as they say
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Things are moving forward. At a rapid pace. October is the new December.
"Brexit: PM sets 15 October deadline for EU trade deal"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54051933
This comes as no surprise to me.
"Mr Johnson will say completing the UK's exit from the EU without a trade deal would still be a "good outcome"."The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
pblakeney said:
Things are moving forward. At a rapid pace. October is the new December.
"Brexit: PM sets 15 October deadline for EU trade deal"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54051933
This comes as no surprise to me.
"Mr Johnson will say completing the UK's exit from the EU without a trade deal would still be a "good outcome"."
There's a puff piece in the Telegraph too, giving the impression Johnson is 'in control', rather than heading towards utter failure. Well, 'in control', rather like heading towards the Niagara Falls in a canoe, and still paddling in a straight line towards the edge, and calling it a "good outcome".0 -
According to Raab, the only two remaining issues are around state aid and fishing rights.
This is presumably where we trade fishing access for state aid flexibility.
I am surprised it is only those two issues given the indications that everything has stalled so badly.
Whilst I think state aid is a good thing for investing in the economy, it is unusual for a Tory government to risk dying on that cross.
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They are the only two issues the EU is williing to talk about. There is still work to do on the rest.morstar said:According to Raab, the only two remaining issues are around state aid and fishing rights.
This is presumably where we trade fishing access for state aid flexibility.
I am surprised it is only those two issues given the indications that everything has stalled so badly.
Whilst I think state aid is a good thing for investing in the economy, it is unusual for a Tory government to risk dying on that cross.0 -
What about this new development makes you think the UK is negotiating in good faith?TheBigBean said:
They are the only two issues the EU is williing to talk about. There is still work to do on the rest.morstar said:According to Raab, the only two remaining issues are around state aid and fishing rights.
This is presumably where we trade fishing access for state aid flexibility.
I am surprised it is only those two issues given the indications that everything has stalled so badly.
Whilst I think state aid is a good thing for investing in the economy, it is unusual for a Tory government to risk dying on that cross.0 -
Strangely this new development cheers me up as it means they have a planrick_chasey said:
What about this new development makes you think the UK is negotiating in good faith?TheBigBean said:
They are the only two issues the EU is williing to talk about. There is still work to do on the rest.morstar said:According to Raab, the only two remaining issues are around state aid and fishing rights.
This is presumably where we trade fishing access for state aid flexibility.
I am surprised it is only those two issues given the indications that everything has stalled so badly.
Whilst I think state aid is a good thing for investing in the economy, it is unusual for a Tory government to risk dying on that cross.0 -
Yes that is stupidsurrey_commuter said:
Strangely this new development cheers me up as it means they have a planrick_chasey said:
What about this new development makes you think the UK is negotiating in good faith?TheBigBean said:
They are the only two issues the EU is williing to talk about. There is still work to do on the rest.morstar said:According to Raab, the only two remaining issues are around state aid and fishing rights.
This is presumably where we trade fishing access for state aid flexibility.
I am surprised it is only those two issues given the indications that everything has stalled so badly.
Whilst I think state aid is a good thing for investing in the economy, it is unusual for a Tory government to risk dying on that cross.0 -
Interesting take.
Tl;dr
If they really thought no deal was a good outcome they would have done it already. Trashing the WA and/or the GFA would mean no FTA with the US. More posturing for home audiences including the more Brexity of his own MPs.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
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Current trajectory is convenient if they want to put the blame on the EU though.rjsterry said:Interesting take.
Tl;dr
If they really thought no deal was a good outcome they would have done it already. Trashing the WA and/or the GFA would mean no FTA with the US. More posturing for home audiences including the more Brexity of his own MPs.
Can't be taking responsibility as that has consequences.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Everyone involved in the negs.loltoride said:
Who?rick_chasey said:Are they just trying to wind everyone up?
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I could not agree more.rick_chasey said:
Everyone involved in the negs.loltoride said:
Who?rick_chasey said:Are they just trying to wind everyone up?
So Far!0 -
How did you read that into my statement?rick_chasey said:
What about this new development makes you think the UK is negotiating in good faith?TheBigBean said:
They are the only two issues the EU is williing to talk about. There is still work to do on the rest.morstar said:According to Raab, the only two remaining issues are around state aid and fishing rights.
This is presumably where we trade fishing access for state aid flexibility.
I am surprised it is only those two issues given the indications that everything has stalled so badly.
Whilst I think state aid is a good thing for investing in the economy, it is unusual for a Tory government to risk dying on that cross.0 -
My startpoint is that Brexit is the dumbest thing anybody has ever done and that Boris will end up with no deal.rick_chasey said:
Yes that is stupidsurrey_commuter said:
Strangely this new development cheers me up as it means they have a planrick_chasey said:
What about this new development makes you think the UK is negotiating in good faith?TheBigBean said:
They are the only two issues the EU is williing to talk about. There is still work to do on the rest.morstar said:According to Raab, the only two remaining issues are around state aid and fishing rights.
This is presumably where we trade fishing access for state aid flexibility.
I am surprised it is only those two issues given the indications that everything has stalled so badly.
Whilst I think state aid is a good thing for investing in the economy, it is unusual for a Tory government to risk dying on that cross.
It cheers me up that he will get there through a plan going back to pre-WA and we won’t just end up there through a mixture of laziness, incompetence and stupidity. This way suggests the plan is mapped out for the next decade and they aren’t just a bunch of chancers0 -
Because if you are talking about what the EU is willing or not willing to talk about, im assuming you think the U.K. is?TheBigBean said:
How did you read that into my statement?rick_chasey said:
What about this new development makes you think the UK is negotiating in good faith?TheBigBean said:
They are the only two issues the EU is williing to talk about. There is still work to do on the rest.morstar said:According to Raab, the only two remaining issues are around state aid and fishing rights.
This is presumably where we trade fishing access for state aid flexibility.
I am surprised it is only those two issues given the indications that everything has stalled so badly.
Whilst I think state aid is a good thing for investing in the economy, it is unusual for a Tory government to risk dying on that cross.
After all, what is the point of debating what the EU will and won’t do if the U.K. won’t even stick to promises it has already made?0 -
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could be trump's tactic, create noise and distraction while firing up the rabid baserick_chasey said:Are they just trying to wind everyone up?
the government is so inept that even the daily mail has been criticising them, they need to change the subject
a more cynical view would be:
they've decided that as the economy is being trashed by the pandemic they can use that to disguise further impact from no deal, it's unlikely that there'd be any serious unrest and they gave the police a pay rise to ensure enthusiastic support
imo their backers would prefer no deal, they won't be hurting, it'll be hog heaven for them, and johnson and co would have an assured future of many plump directorships and consulting positions
my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0 -
I do think that you are over-reacting. Our prisoner has been telling them he is going to rat them out even as they committed the crime. he has repeatedly said that there will be no customs border in the Irish Sea. I think he is more likely to speak the truth in unguarded moments and I was always struck by the video of him talking to NI business leaders unequivocably telling them there would be no form filling.rick_chasey said:In the prisoner’s dilemma, the U.K. has told the other side it intends to rat then out
They knew he could not be trusted and that is already baked into the current position of them insisting on long term legally enforceable rules.0 -
To carry on the metaphor; shouting that you'll rat out the other side to your prison guards is part of the bit. Actually ratting them out is another, right?surrey_commuter said:
I do think that you are over-reacting. Our prisoner has been telling them he is going to rat them out even as they committed the crime. he has repeatedly said that there will be no customs border in the Irish Sea. I think he is more likely to speak the truth in unguarded moments and I was always struck by the video of him talking to NI business leaders unequivocably telling them there would be no form filling.rick_chasey said:In the prisoner’s dilemma, the U.K. has told the other side it intends to rat then out
They knew he could not be trusted and that is already baked into the current position of them insisting on long term legally enforceable rules.0 -
The UK hasn't done anything yet. You are just reacting to a leak. In contrast, the EU has confirmed it is only willing to talk about two things at the moment despite having made a legal commitment to "use their best endeavours, in good faith and in full respect of their respective legal orders, to take the necessary steps to negotiate expeditiously the agreements governing their future relationship referred to in the Political Declaration"rick_chasey said:
Because if you are talking about what the EU is willing or not willing to talk about, im assuming you think the U.K. is?TheBigBean said:
How did you read that into my statement?rick_chasey said:
What about this new development makes you think the UK is negotiating in good faith?TheBigBean said:
They are the only two issues the EU is williing to talk about. There is still work to do on the rest.morstar said:According to Raab, the only two remaining issues are around state aid and fishing rights.
This is presumably where we trade fishing access for state aid flexibility.
I am surprised it is only those two issues given the indications that everything has stalled so badly.
Whilst I think state aid is a good thing for investing in the economy, it is unusual for a Tory government to risk dying on that cross.
After all, what is the point of debating what the EU will and won’t do if the U.K. won’t even stick to promises it has already made?0
