BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    World's as mad as ever, grown men, supposed responsible politicians settling arguments by having a fight FFS. Now one UKiP defence spokesman facing jail and life ruined over one punch...
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    bianchimoon wrote:
    World's as mad as ever, grown men, supposed responsible politicians settling arguments by having a fight FFS. Now one UKiP defence spokesman facing jail and life ruined over one punch...

    Since when were UKIP anything but skinheads in a suit?
  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    bianchimoon wrote:
    World's as mad as ever, grown men, supposed responsible politicians settling arguments by having a fight FFS. Now one UKiP defence spokesman facing jail and life ruined over one punch...

    No idea if that's true but he has a very very unfortunate name.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    bianchimoon wrote:
    World's as mad as ever, grown men, supposed responsible politicians settling arguments by having a fight FFS. Now one UKiP defence spokesman facing jail and life ruined over one punch...

    Or several punches according to The Times political correspondent. Because he had said he considered joining the Conservatives, but decided against it. What's wrong with everyone?
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    World's as mad as ever, grown men, supposed responsible politicians settling arguments by having a fight FFS. Now one UKiP defence spokesman facing jail and life ruined over one punch...

    Or several punches according to The Times political correspondent. Because he had said he considered joining the Conservatives, but decided against it. What's wrong with everyone?

    well, he was going to defect to tories saying Teresa May was leading them down the right path, (this was after he missed the chance to run for leader of UKiP because he was late registering his interest). As soon as new UKip leader resigned, he flip flopped again saying he would stay and become leader, this obviously upset MeP member for Lincolnshire
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    bianchimoon wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    World's as mad as ever, grown men, supposed responsible politicians settling arguments by having a fight FFS. Now one UKiP defence spokesman facing jail and life ruined over one punch...

    Or several punches according to The Times political correspondent. Because he had said he considered joining the Conservatives, but decided against it. What's wrong with everyone?

    well, he was going to defect to tories saying Teresa May was leading them down the right path, (this was after he missed the chance to run for leader of UKiP because he was late registering his interest). As soon as new UKip leader resigned, he flip flopped again saying he would stay and become leader, this obviously upset MeP member for Lincolnshire

    That much I understand. The next bit not so much.

    UKIP MEP Roger Helmer described it as "a lively exchange of views - not uncommon in politics".
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Joelsim wrote:
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.

    As they're a bunch of kids, won't have to wait long for the vids they all took of the fight to appear on FB
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    Joelsim wrote:
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.

    So two leading members of the party were willing to settle an argument by having a punch up in the parliament building.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Joelsim wrote:
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.

    According to Neil Hamilton, who was hundreds of miles away in Cardiff at the time :roll:
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.

    According to Neil Hamilton, who was hundreds of miles away in Cardiff at the time :roll:

    That doesn't mean it's wrong though, just unconfirmed.
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Joelsim wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.

    According to Neil Hamilton, who was hundreds of miles away in Cardiff at the time :roll:

    That doesn't mean it's wrong though, just unconfirmed.

    I agree, the rolling eyes are for Mr Hamilton and the news sources giving him airtime as "a source" to have a dig at Steven Wolfe. Not so much "kick a man when he's down", as "stab him in the back when he's down and out"
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    Hope he's got his EHIC.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.

    According to Neil Hamilton, who was hundreds of miles away in Cardiff at the time :roll:

    That doesn't mean it's wrong though, just unconfirmed.

    I agree, the rolling eyes are for Mr Hamilton and the news sources giving him airtime as "a source" to have a dig at Steven Wolfe. Not so much "kick a man when he's down", as "stab him in the back when he's down and out"


    UKIP is now so pathologically f**ked up it has become Britain’s natural party of government, experts have confirmed

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... urce=email
    .
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Hope he's got his EHIC.

    Actually, on consideration...
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    Joelsim wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.

    According to Neil Hamilton, who was hundreds of miles away in Cardiff at the time :roll:

    That doesn't mean it's wrong though, just unconfirmed.

    I agree, the rolling eyes are for Mr Hamilton and the news sources giving him airtime as "a source" to have a dig at Steven Wolfe. Not so much "kick a man when he's down", as "stab him in the back when he's down and out"


    UKIP is now so pathologically f**ked up it has become Britain’s natural party of government, experts have confirmed

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... urce=email
    .

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 1006114906
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    https://youtu.be/TA6XxYepCDs

    Turns out Rudd's policy was advocated in almost exactly the same way in chapter 2 of Mein Kampf....

    Oh dear. Oh dear.
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    :D:D:D
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Hope he's got his EHIC.
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    edited October 2016
    An excellent piece on some of the challenges ahead. And a piece from Merkel that supports it.

    Basically what I've been banging on (and on and on and on and on) about for months.

    We hold almost no cards in negotiation. It's hard Brexit or no Brexit no matter which way we look at it.

    If anyone's ever presented something to 27 people (who all have equal power of veto and completely different agendas) then you'll know just how hard this is going to be.

    That's before considering a totally divided nation.

    http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... ritain-out

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... rns-merke/
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424
    Joelsim wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.

    According to Neil Hamilton, who was hundreds of miles away in Cardiff at the time :roll:

    That doesn't mean it's wrong though, just unconfirmed.

    I agree, the rolling eyes are for Mr Hamilton and the news sources giving him airtime as "a source" to have a dig at Steven Wolfe. Not so much "kick a man when he's down", as "stab him in the back when he's down and out"


    UKIP is now so pathologically f**ked up it has become Britain’s natural party of government, experts have confirmed

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... urce=email
    .
    I suppose deep down that makes you think that Labour still have a hope in hell of getting elected :wink:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    mrfpb wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    The story appears to be that Woolfe started the fight, and came off worst.

    According to Neil Hamilton, who was hundreds of miles away in Cardiff at the time :roll:

    That doesn't mean it's wrong though, just unconfirmed.

    I agree, the rolling eyes are for Mr Hamilton and the news sources giving him airtime as "a source" to have a dig at Steven Wolfe. Not so much "kick a man when he's down", as "stab him in the back when he's down and out"


    UKIP is now so pathologically f**ked up it has become Britain’s natural party of government, experts have confirmed

    http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... urce=email
    .
    I suppose deep down that makes you think that Labour still have a hope in hell of getting elected :wink:

    I'm not a Labour supporter. I'm simply anti-Tory now. Anyone but who's in charge currently (UKIP excepted obviously).

    Rumours that the punch up occurred because Woolfe spoke to the Tories, and the Ukippers thought that was taking it too far.

    You'd be hard-pressed to damage the social fabric of this once great nation any more than has been done in the last few months. And the economy to come.
  • Lookyhere
    Lookyhere Posts: 987
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    I suppose deep down that makes you think that Labour still have a hope in hell of getting elected :wink:

    Well, had Labour got in, then we d pretty much have had the eco policy May has just announced and far more more importantly, we d have never have had this referendum, which at least for the next few years (and even brexiters say 2030) we are going to have an economic roller coaster.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,327
    Soft Brexit would be possible if there was a decent opposition party in waiting.

    But there isn't. So we're farqed, with a potential megalomaniac at the helm trying to appease the long term euro sceptic Tories and a few disgruntled Labour back benchers thrown in for extra whip come ballot time over EU policies.
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  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Pinno wrote:
    Soft Brexit would be possible if there was a decent opposition party in waiting.

    But there isn't. So we're farqed, with a potential megalomaniac at the helm trying to appease the long term euro sceptic Tories and a few disgruntled Labour back benchers thrown in for extra whip come ballot time over EU policies.

    It wouldn't. Once the ref happened it was always a question of hard Brexit or no Brexit. There is no other alternative, never has been and never will be.

    The only thing that would've changed is the xenophobic rhetoric.

    Good to see Hinckley is going ahead though even if it's far more expensive than renewables. And fra*king too. All massively forward-thinking.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Joelsim wrote:
    An excellent piece on some of the challenges ahead. And a piece from Merkel that supports it.

    Basically what I've been banging on (and on and on and on and on) about for months.

    We hold almost no cards in negotiation. It's hard Brexit or no Brexit no matter which way we look at it.

    If anyone's ever presented something to 27 people (who all have equal power of veto and completely different agendas) then you'll know just how hard this is going to be.

    That's before considering a totally divided nation.

    http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... ritain-out

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... rns-merke/

    BTW did anyone read these? Stevo? Comments and thoughts?

    No, I didn't think so. No leg to stand on really have you.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Joelsim wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    An excellent piece on some of the challenges ahead. And a piece from Merkel that supports it.

    Basically what I've been banging on (and on and on and on and on) about for months.

    We hold almost no cards in negotiation. It's hard Brexit or no Brexit no matter which way we look at it.

    If anyone's ever presented something to 27 people (who all have equal power of veto and completely different agendas) then you'll know just how hard this is going to be.

    That's before considering a totally divided nation.

    http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... ritain-out

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... rns-merke/

    BTW did anyone read these? Stevo? Comments and thoughts?

    No, I didn't think so. No leg to stand on really have you.

    I thought The Economist article is the best I have read on the subject.
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    An excellent piece on some of the challenges ahead. And a piece from Merkel that supports it.

    Basically what I've been banging on (and on and on and on and on) about for months.

    We hold almost no cards in negotiation. It's hard Brexit or no Brexit no matter which way we look at it.

    If anyone's ever presented something to 27 people (who all have equal power of veto and completely different agendas) then you'll know just how hard this is going to be.

    That's before considering a totally divided nation.

    http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... ritain-out

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... rns-merke/

    BTW did anyone read these? Stevo? Comments and thoughts?

    No, I didn't think so. No leg to stand on really have you.

    I thought The Economist article is the best I have read on the subject.

    Yup.

    We have a 3 and a 9 of different suits. There are 27 others at the table.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,424
    Joelsim wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    An excellent piece on some of the challenges ahead. And a piece from Merkel that supports it.

    Basically what I've been banging on (and on and on and on and on) about for months.

    We hold almost no cards in negotiation. It's hard Brexit or no Brexit no matter which way we look at it.

    If anyone's ever presented something to 27 people (who all have equal power of veto and completely different agendas) then you'll know just how hard this is going to be.

    That's before considering a totally divided nation.

    http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... ritain-out

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... rns-merke/

    BTW did anyone read these? Stevo? Comments and thoughts?

    No, I didn't think so. No leg to stand on really have you.
    Yawn - I'm a busy boy. Try summing up your point concisely and I'll have a think if you feel its that important that I comment personally :roll:

    You still haven't answered my earlier point about discriminatory immigration policy, but then again I never expected you to because it is discriminatory no matter how hard you try to deflect by invoking Godwin's law.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • joelsim
    joelsim Posts: 7,552
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    Joelsim wrote:
    An excellent piece on some of the challenges ahead. And a piece from Merkel that supports it.

    Basically what I've been banging on (and on and on and on and on) about for months.

    We hold almost no cards in negotiation. It's hard Brexit or no Brexit no matter which way we look at it.

    If anyone's ever presented something to 27 people (who all have equal power of veto and completely different agendas) then you'll know just how hard this is going to be.

    That's before considering a totally divided nation.

    http://www.economist.com/news/britain/2 ... ritain-out

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... rns-merke/

    BTW did anyone read these? Stevo? Comments and thoughts?

    No, I didn't think so. No leg to stand on really have you.
    Yawn - I'm a busy boy. Try summing up your point concisely and I'll have a think if you feel its that important that I comment personally :roll:

    You still haven't answered my earlier point about discriminatory immigration policy, but then again I never expected you to because it is discriminatory no matter how hard you try to deflect by invoking Godwin's law.

    Oh FFS Steve get off your high horse and stop rambling with straw men.

    Maybe read this too.

    https://m.facebook.com/GuyVerhofstadt/p ... 73875016:0
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    It is a straw man Stevo.

    I don't think everyone who sees an immigration problem sees the problem as 'not being fair in our treatment of Europeans versus the rest of the world', and entirely around ' I think there are too many non-British people coming to Britain' regardless of whether they're European or not.
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