BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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I agree they are more likely to believe it's possible, but also they are less likely to have much money or any assets to protect. 5 years ago I might have been much more open to radical change than I am now.Longshot said:Young people are more likely to believe that change is possible. As people get older, the majority just shrug and assume that the rich will always get richer and poor will stay poor. Such is the way the world works.
Most of us older folk don't have the energy or time to mount a full blooded revolution. The kids would find it too much like hard work. The world stays the same.
The share of wealth between rich and poor normalises itself occasionally, if the percentage kept getting bigger it would be bad for business eventually...0 -
Heads on sticks; that kind of thing.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Just seen that Laura Pidcock lost NW Durham. Holy Shit.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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What are the socio economic groups based on, is it just income or does it include home ownership?kingstongraham said:
Interesting - all socio-economic groups went Tory, the main differentiator was age. Only those who don't need to worry about work any more went majority Conservative. "Too young to know better" makes it up to the 40s now.
Broadly I'd say the 25-35 are a generation that has been raised where a reasonable middle class aspiration (wrong word but can't think of a better one) was for the father to be a sole breadwinner, with a stay at home mum. Now we're in a situation where for a comfortable lifestyle on a family home across most of the country, you'd most likely be looking at two salaries...but generally childcare hasn't kept up with that development, it's too expensive.
That's before we come to look at our pensions. Or complete lack of them.
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Good news. Also very fitting that the Conservatives got their overall majority (326th seat) by taking Bolsover off Dennis Skinner. Happy daystailwindhome said:Just seen that Laura Pidcock lost NW Durham. Holy censored .
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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He thinks he is invincible and in awe of Cummings?rick_chasey said:Why is Johnson already making things more difficult for himself?
If reporting is accurate then he will still be able to extend, just takes it away from Parliament.
Probably best that the currency speculators on here sell Sterling.
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If Robert were still around I'm sure he would glad to have your advice.surrey_commuter said:
He thinks he is invincible and in awe of Cummings?rick_chasey said:Why is Johnson already making things more difficult for himself?
If reporting is accurate then he will still be able to extend, just takes it away from Parliament.
Probably best that the currency speculators on here sell Sterling."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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He did not need advice, he had the Midas touchStevo_666 said:
If Robert were still around I'm sure he would glad to have your advice.surrey_commuter said:
He thinks he is invincible and in awe of Cummings?rick_chasey said:Why is Johnson already making things more difficult for himself?
If reporting is accurate then he will still be able to extend, just takes it away from Parliament.
Probably best that the currency speculators on here sell Sterling.0 -
It sounds like something done largely for appearances. It certainly wouldn't be the first time he's said one thing and done another.surrey_commuter said:
He thinks he is invincible and in awe of Cummings?rick_chasey said:Why is Johnson already making things more difficult for himself?
If reporting is accurate then he will still be able to extend, just takes it away from Parliament.
Probably best that the currency speculators on here sell Sterling.
These seem relevant.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Raphael_Hogarth/status/1206705505521033218"The bill will legally prohibit parliament from extending the transition beyond next year."
No, it won't, because it can't. Parliament is sovereign and will be able to authorise an extension if it wants to - a fact for which, in due course, the PM may be very grateful.
https://mobile.twitter.com/odtorson/status/1206714342080745472in 2020 however the FTA can always be signed after a no-deal exit; that makes the cliff edge a bit less edgy, but therefore also less scary. So expect the EU to have a deal ready in December, Johnson going “no way any UK PM could ever sign it” to which the EU’s response is “suit yourself; you know where to find us; give as a call after New Year”1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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surrey_commuter said:
He thinks he is invincible and in awe of Cummings?rick_chasey said:Why is Johnson already making things more difficult for himself?
If reporting is accurate then he will still be able to extend, just takes it away from Parliament.
Probably best that the currency speculators on here sell Sterling.
Quite. Sterling has already lost all the post-election gains off the back of this. Why does he feel he needs to do this?
He has a majority so big he can do what he wants. He's got that post-election glow. People up North are saying "now, finally, a government will listen to our problems" despite the fact it's the same party. The opposition is fully routed.
This is when you do all your most divisive stuff because you have that mandate. Why make things harder for yourself?
Argh. I don't get it.0 -
Has Emily Thornberry hacked your account?rick_chasey said:Argh, the stupidity of all these people is doing my head in.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I don't think it would be news if she was calling the PM stupid.Stevo_666 said:
Has Emily Thornberry hacked your account?rick_chasey said:Argh, the stupidity of all these people is doing my head in.
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So let’s assume that Cummings is not thick and try and work out why he is up to.rick_chasey said:surrey_commuter said:
He thinks he is invincible and in awe of Cummings?rick_chasey said:Why is Johnson already making things more difficult for himself?
If reporting is accurate then he will still be able to extend, just takes it away from Parliament.
Probably best that the currency speculators on here sell Sterling.
Quite. Sterling has already lost all the post-election gains off the back of this. Why does he feel he needs to do this?
He has a majority so big he can do what he wants. He's got that post-election glow. People up North are saying "now, finally, a government will listen to our problems" despite the fact it's the same party. The opposition is fully routed.
This is when you do all your most divisive stuff because you have that mandate. Why make things harder for yourself?
Argh. I don't get it.
We now only have 5 months to agree a trade deal, which most people in the know say is impossible.
Have they concluded that without services we have nothing to gain so will only ask for no tariffs/quotas?
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I don't know what the deadline has to do with that.
I would genuinely love someone to explain the logic to me, that avoids the usual nonsense.0 -
While he (Jummings) has a majority, he knows that will vanish if he immediately backs down on key promises made less than a month ago. He needs to make it look as though he was forced into it by the nasty EU or anyone other than him.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Really enjoying the bed wetting going on in here
You started to really believe the guff about his majority he would mean going for a softer Brexit. He is doing what he was elected on.
He is doing this for 2 reasons:
1 - Focusing the minds of the EU
2 - Making sure Parliament is on-message at this early stage rather than risk being undermined when the negotiations get to the crunch stages.
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I don't see how that precludes a 'softer than no deal' brexit?coopster_the_1st said:Really enjoying the bed wetting going on in here
You started to really believe the guff about his majority he would mean going for a softer Brexit. He is doing what he was elected on.
He is doing this for 2 reasons:
1 - Focusing the minds of the EU
2 - Making sure Parliament is on-message at this early stage rather than risk being undermined when the negotiations get to the crunch stages.0 -
You're not buying that this is part of getting Brexit done?rick_chasey said:I don't know what the deadline has to do with that.
I would genuinely love someone to explain the logic to me, that avoids the usual nonsense.
It was in the manifesto apparently.0 -
I guess the logic I have is Johnson now owns Brexit and will be in power long enough to be around when some of the shorter term consequences are felt.TheBlueBean said:
You're not buying that this is part of getting Brexit done?rick_chasey said:I don't know what the deadline has to do with that.
I would genuinely love someone to explain the logic to me, that avoids the usual nonsense.
It was in the manifesto apparently.
So it ought to be in his interest to get a deal done that minimises damage. He has a big enough majority to push through any deal within reason.
So why hamstring yourself? All the experts say a fast deal cannot cover services, which is the most important bit for the UK.0 -
It's just talk talk.
I foresee a lot of bullishness to keep everyone on board, the WA passes early next year, a cabinet reshuffle to remove the window dressing morons (Raab, Patel, JRM,Truss, Barclay), a July extension to the deadline (with zero consequence for Boris) and a trade deal agreed by Dec 2021.
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As a consequence of all this, Ireland will have their General Election.
|f Leo gets back I'd expect a blossoming relationship now the border isn't going to be Ireland's problem and everyone's interests are now aligned.
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Interesting point on the reshuffle. It doesn't bother me especially but I assumed he would probably keep hold of whichever ones look most normal and centrist whilst keeping up the strongman talk now he doesn't need to be dictated to by the far right in his party anymore.tailwindhome said:It's just talk talk.
I foresee a lot of bullishness to keep everyone on board, the WA passes early next year, a cabinet reshuffle to remove the window dressing morons (Raab, Patel, JRM,Truss, Barclay), a July extension to the deadline (with zero consequence for Boris) and a trade deal agreed by Dec 2021.
Any other predictions and reasoning? Should be an interesting few months
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Can't they just pass another bill that makes it not illegal anymore when it gets to the crunch?0
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Of course. Expect much blather about being forced into it by someone else.kingstongraham said:Can't they just pass another bill that makes it not illegal anymore when it gets to the crunch?
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As mentioned, this is the sort of delusional thinking that remoaners are pushing.tailwindhome said:It's just talk talk.
I foresee a lot of bullishness to keep everyone on board, the WA passes early next year, a cabinet reshuffle to remove the window dressing morons (Raab, Patel, JRM,Truss, Barclay), a July extension to the deadline (with zero consequence for Boris) and a trade deal agreed by Dec 2021.
It just proves you have no understanding of those leading the country and the electorate that voted for them
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I thought someone might say that. "Young people" now includes up to 44 years old. That's news in itself, hopefully I might become young again myself soon.Pross said:
That sort of puts paid to the people who say it's the well off voting in a Party that is bad for the poor. It suggests even the poorest in society don't want hard left policies and that the only ones that do are young people who are either a) naive enough to believe in them or b) young enough not to have been indoctrinated against them by the right wing media.kingstongraham said:
Interesting - all socio-economic groups went Tory, the main differentiator was age. Only those who don't need to worry about work any more went majority Conservative. "Too young to know better" makes it up to the 40s now.
In 1983, Conservatives got 43% of 18-24, in 1992, Major got 35% of 18-24. In 1992, the only age group that was more Labour than Conservative was 18-24. (Total percentages were 43% Con, 35% Lab, 18% LD, so this was a higher Labour percentage in total than 2019.)
Conservative voters are getting older, even allowing for the fact that voters get more Conservative as they get older.0 -
Who is going to raise that bill?kingstongraham said:Can't they just pass another bill that makes it not illegal anymore when it gets to the crunch?
Parliamentary remoaners have been kicked out. This Boris majority means there is not going to be the under tactics in play that you've had for the last 3.5 years.
The likes of Tony Bliar and Dominic 'Frenchie' Grieve are obselete and will be ignored by the EU going forward as their views have been rejected by the UK electorate.0
