BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

Alejandrosdog

Im still voting out. Now i would vote out woth no deal. The paralysis must end.


Jeremy corbyn carrots 100

darkhairedlord

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Im still voting out. Now i would vote out woth no deal. The paralysis must end.


Jeremy corbyn carrots 100

That's voting for paralysis to begin.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Daddylonglegs wrote:

For me the Lib Dem's revocation policy is a democratic outrage whichever side of the fence you stand.

Talk me through this.

Referendum in the 70s fought on more or less the same lines, results in “in”.

So at what point was the campaign for out no longer anti democratic - where’s the line?

And what part of democracy does it say that you can’t express your view and campaign on it?

Do you think the SNP should declare independence for Scotland? After all, it is their stated aim, and they do have the most seats.

Constitutional matters, especially should be done by referendums.

I don’t know the ins and outs of Scotland so I don’t really know.

I do know the Brexit ref was advisory and is not really compatible with representative democracy set ups.

Would you say that the Scottish separatists are being undemocratic for continuing to campaign?

shirley_basso

Surely if LDs win that is the mandate to revoke brexit much like when the governing party changes after a GE the UK policy changes to reflect their manifesto (except HS2, which rattles on regardless)

shirley_basso

orraloon wrote:

This posted by Peter Kyle MP for Hove last night. Is this country xxxxed or what?

Pretty harrowing words.

I can see the trolls replies now. Sickening.

pblakeney

I do like the irony of Brexiteers going on about the SNP wanting independence.

surrey_commuter

Why have you all fallen for the bollox the the next election is solely about Brexit? If this were true why would the advocates of this nonsensical proposition not be in favour of a 2nd ref?

I refuse to believe that more than 15% of the electorate will vote purely on Brexit

surrey_commuter

PBlakeney wrote:

I do like the irony of Brexiteers going on about the SNP wanting independence.

The SNP need to swallow their pride and make it a UK wide referendum. Repaint the bus and romp home.

pblakeney

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

I do like the irony of Brexiteers going on about the SNP wanting independence.

The SNP need to swallow their pride and make it a UK wide referendum. Repaint the bus and romp home.

A perfect example.
Should the entire EU be given a vote on Brexit?

Alejandrosdog

PBlakeney wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

I do like the irony of Brexiteers going on about the SNP wanting independence.

The SNP need to swallow their pride and make it a UK wide referendum. Repaint the bus and romp home.

A perfect example.
Should the entire EU be given a vote on Brexit?

No, only children. Apparently it affects them mmore, theyre more important and able to make more balanced decisions.

That
sweedish cunt cross eyed kid says so

surrey_commuter

PBlakeney wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

I do like the irony of Brexiteers going on about the SNP wanting independence.

The SNP need to swallow their pride and make it a UK wide referendum. Repaint the bus and romp home.

A perfect example.
Should the entire EU be given a vote on Brexit?

Yes - so we can laugh at the Gammon

shirley_basso

Every post makes you come across as even more pathetic than the last.

pblakeney

Alejandrosdog wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

I do like the irony of Brexiteers going on about the SNP wanting independence.

The SNP need to swallow their pride and make it a UK wide referendum. Repaint the bus and romp home.

A perfect example.
Should the entire EU be given a vote on Brexit?

No, only children. Apparently it affects them mmore, theyre more important and able to make more balanced decisions.

That
sweedish **** cross eyed kid says so

I see your reasoned debate and raise you with, wibble.

tailwindhome

Average of 4 polls give a Tory majority of 4.

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/ ... 33570?s=19

Pross

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Why have you all fallen for the bollox the the next election is solely about Brexit? If this were true why would the advocates of this nonsensical proposition not be in favour of a 2nd ref?

I refuse to believe that more than 15% of the electorate will vote purely on Brexit

But Brexit is causing a log jam. Until it gets resolved day to day politics feels like it's on hold. I suspect it will be the main issue for a large proportion of those who don't simply vote for whichever colour party they always have done.

cruff

Alejandrosdog wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

I do like the irony of Brexiteers going on about the SNP wanting independence.

The SNP need to swallow their pride and make it a UK wide referendum. Repaint the bus and romp home.

A perfect example.
Should the entire EU be given a vote on Brexit?

No, only children. Apparently it affects them mmore, theyre more important and able to make more balanced decisions.

That
sweedish **** cross eyed kid says so

You absolute, utter f*ckcrumpet

cycleclinic

The tories chance of a majority according to electoral calculation website has dropped from 50% at the start of the month to 42% now. Any majority is likely to be weak and given boris ability to loose MPs any tory government is likely to be as fragile as this one. Long term paralysis looms.

If the opposition do get it together and win a vote of no confidence how will that play out. Will voter rewards them or punish them. I'm not sure what I think of a VOC now.

Also the government does not have the trade bill, agriculture bill, a regulatory body to replace euroatom as so much more if no deal transpires so it needs an extension anyway. What are we playing at.

Polls show brexit is a a long way ahead as the I.portantbissue with voter now. I think I saw that on YouGov today.

Stevo_666

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

I do like the irony of Brexiteers going on about the SNP wanting independence.

The SNP need to swallow their pride and make it a UK wide referendum. Repaint the bus and romp home.

If it's a UK wide referendum, Scotland will very likely gain independence.

darkhairedlord

Odd that supporters of the "conservative and unionist" party would happily see the Scots wave goodbye but hate the backstop as it ties NI to Ireland.

darkhairedlord

Genuine Question,
If we leave without a deal, will all the lorry drivers get turned back for not having a Visa?

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Daddylonglegs wrote:

For me the Lib Dem's revocation policy is a democratic outrage whichever side of the fence you stand.

Talk me through this.

Referendum in the 70s fought on more or less the same lines, results in “in”.

So at what point was the campaign for out no longer anti democratic - where’s the line?

And what part of democracy does it say that you can’t express your view and campaign on it?

Do you think the SNP should declare independence for Scotland? After all, it is their stated aim, and they do have the most seats.

Constitutional matters, especially should be done by referendums.

I don’t know the ins and outs of Scotland so I don’t really know.

I do know the Brexit ref was advisory and is not really compatible with representative democracy set ups.

Would you say that the Scottish separatists are being undemocratic for continuing to campaign?

It is perfectly democratic for the SNP to continue to campaign for independence via another referendum which is what they do. It would be undemocractic for them to unilaterally declare independence solely based on having the most MPs.

In other words, Lib Dems should campaign for remaining via another referendum, not simply by winning enough seats. Still, there aren't enough principled voters who care about this sort of thing, so presumably it is a cheap vote winning policy that they won't need to enact.

surrey_commuter

darkhairedlord wrote:

Genuine Question,
If we leave without a deal, will all the lorry drivers get turned back for not having a Visa?

It is a (remote) possibility

Pross

TheBigBean wrote:

It is perfectly democratic for the SNP to continue to campaign for independence via another referendum which is what they do. It would be undemocractic for them to unilaterally declare independence solely based on having the most MPs.

In other words, Lib Dems should campaign for remaining via another referendum, not simply by winning enough seats. Still, there aren't enough principled voters who care about this sort of thing, so presumably it is a cheap vote winning policy that they won't need to enact.

If they stood on that policy in a GE and won a majority it wouldn't be undemocratic. I'd argue it would be a more democratic way to do it as all members of the Union would have a say. Obviously it would require them standing in and winning English seats though!

tailwindhome

Surrey Commuter wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

Genuine Question,
If we leave without a deal, will all the lorry drivers get turned back for not having a Visa?

It is a (remote) possibility

As I understand it, no.

This is because of the temporary No Deal arrangement put in place by the EU

A lorry can leave the UK and can deliver goods to the EU destination but it can't make collections and deliveries when it's there.

tailwindhome

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Daddylonglegs wrote:

For me the Lib Dem's revocation policy is a democratic outrage whichever side of the fence you stand.

Talk me through this.

Referendum in the 70s fought on more or less the same lines, results in “in”.

So at what point was the campaign for out no longer anti democratic - where’s the line?

And what part of democracy does it say that you can’t express your view and campaign on it?

Do you think the SNP should declare independence for Scotland? After all, it is their stated aim, and they do have the most seats.

Constitutional matters, especially should be done by referendums.

I don’t know the ins and outs of Scotland so I don’t really know.

I do know the Brexit ref was advisory and is not really compatible with representative democracy set ups.

Would you say that the Scottish separatists are being undemocratic for continuing to campaign?

It is perfectly democratic for the SNP to continue to campaign for independence via another referendum which is what they do. It would be undemocractic for them to unilaterally declare independence solely based on having the most MPs.

In other words, Lib Dems should campaign for remaining via another referendum, not simply by winning enough seats. Still, there aren't enough principled voters who care about this sort of thing, so presumably it is a cheap vote winning policy that they won't need to enact.

I disagree.
It wouldn't be undemocratic, whether or not it would have any legal effect is another thing.

tailwindhome

darkhairedlord wrote:

Odd that supporters of the "conservative and unionist" party would happily see the Scots wave goodbye but hate the backstop as it ties NI to Ireland.

That's just something to hang their hat on.

darkhairedlord

TailWindHome wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

darkhairedlord wrote:

Genuine Question,
If we leave without a deal, will all the lorry drivers get turned back for not having a Visa?

It is a (remote) possibility

As I understand it, no.

This is because of the temporary No Deal arrangement put in place by the EU

A lorry can leave the UK and can deliver goods to the EU destination but it can't make collections and deliveries when it's there.

Is this reciprocated the other way?
I can see why the hauliers are screwed.

TheBigBean

TailWindHome wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Daddylonglegs wrote:

For me the Lib Dem's revocation policy is a democratic outrage whichever side of the fence you stand.

Talk me through this.

Referendum in the 70s fought on more or less the same lines, results in “in”.

So at what point was the campaign for out no longer anti democratic - where’s the line?

And what part of democracy does it say that you can’t express your view and campaign on it?

Do you think the SNP should declare independence for Scotland? After all, it is their stated aim, and they do have the most seats.

Constitutional matters, especially should be done by referendums.

I don’t know the ins and outs of Scotland so I don’t really know.

I do know the Brexit ref was advisory and is not really compatible with representative democracy set ups.

Would you say that the Scottish separatists are being undemocratic for continuing to campaign?

It is perfectly democratic for the SNP to continue to campaign for independence via another referendum which is what they do. It would be undemocractic for them to unilaterally declare independence solely based on having the most MPs.

In other words, Lib Dems should campaign for remaining via another referendum, not simply by winning enough seats. Still, there aren't enough principled voters who care about this sort of thing, so presumably it is a cheap vote winning policy that they won't need to enact.

I disagree.
It wouldn't be undemocratic, whether or not it would have any legal effect is another thing.

I suppose the issue is whether you believe governments can change the constitution or whether that is something reserved for the people. Maybe undemocratic is not the right word - constitutional outrage is in vogue at the moment, so maybe that's better.

rick_chasey

I don’t understand what the constitutional point is?

Ref was advisory and not binding - end of.

robert88

Shirley Basso wrote:

Every post makes you come across as even more pathetic than the last.

D'you mean fishFish, sorry I meant the dog?