BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Also, now that parliament has been un-prorogued, I wonder it will actually achieve in the next few weeks? A VONC and GE are pretty much off the table in the short term and the Benn Bill is already in place.

    It makes absolute sense for the opposition to hoist Johnson on his “out by 31st October” petard and it equally seems sensible to make hay on that by going for one at that point.

    If I read correctly they could attempt a VONC near to October 17 because that is the final deadline for U.K. asking for an extension and gives an opportunity to create a different government for a fortnight or so.

    Maybe.
    But I'm sure BJ will plead that he has been stymied in his attempts to force through Brexit and that even if he did refuse to agree to another extension, we could not legally leave the EU at that point.
    This would play well with hard Brexiteers as no matter who was elected PM, they would be bound by the same constraints unless they had a significant majority in the House to overturn any legislation.
    Corbyn remains un electable to anyone with more than a single brain cell and a vote for the Libdems potentially lets in Corbyn.
    So no, I don't envisage it making a massive difference to any subsequent GE.

    From the polling the LDs are picking up most support from disaffected Labour voters so a vote for them is potentially more likely to benefit the Tories. But... polls before an election is announced are usually way off.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    orraloon wrote:
    I'm going to be in Belgium on 17th October. Might just stay there. How does one claim asylum from the looney bin which is dUK right now?
    And I'll be in the French pad on 31 October. Maybe I'll lose my passport.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    "The best way to honour Jo Cox's memory is to get Brexit done."

    Government by trolling.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TailWindHome wrote:
    "The best way to honour Jo Cox's memory is to get Brexit done."

    Government by trolling.

    The tactic seems to be that making the opposite angry works for him.

    The Jo Cox chat surely points to that.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    Ballysmate wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    elbowloh wrote:
    bobmcstuff wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Regardless of where you sit politically or regarding BJ, yesterday's judgement throws our Constitution into the limelight for those that are interested.

    eg
    https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019/09 ... vereignty/

    I accept that some/most will find it a bit dry. :)
    David Allen Green's take on this was that prorogation needs to be put on a solid legal footing in future. It is one of the few things the executive can do unilaterally with no check to stop parliament sitting - both the other ways (recesses and dissolution before a GE since the FTPA) have supporting legislation behind them. Whereas prorogation can occur basically on the PM's whim.

    A key thing in the SC's judgement was that 5 weeks is unusually long compared to the normal one or two weeks - I think if he had been less greedy it might have gone through.
    The reason it hasn't been is because our system is reliant on the the PM not abusing their position and up until now, even though we may have questioned their character, they have not done so.

    BJ has overstepped the mark and defied convention.
    Exactly, and that's why it needs to move to a more formal basis rather than the government simply exercising royal prerogative to prorogue parliament.

    I can't see how it is in anyone's benefit for the government to be able to shut down parliament whenever they want for however long they want. If the court had found the other way, I would argue that could be much more damaging because there would then be precedent for future governments to do exactly the same.

    Parliament has always had the power to hold the executive to account. The people in turn hold Parliament to account at the ballot box.
    Normally if Parliament thought that the executive was abusing its power, there would be a motion of no confidence. In this instance Parliament chose not to act. Call it cowardice or failing in its duty, it doesn't matter. I would have thought it better for Parliament to fulfil its role rather than courts getting involved in politics.

    True, although you could imagine a situation where the government prorogued parliament in order to prevent a VONC...

    It just took these strange circumstances to bring the issue to the fore - otherwise it would just stayed an irrelevant remnant of royal prerogative
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    I imagine parliament TV is attracting more viewers than normal.

    "More people voted for Brexit in Scotland than the SNP" . Hadn't heard that before.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    "TheBigBean” wrote:

    "More people voted for Brexit in Scotland than the SNP" . Hadn't heard that before.

    For good reason.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    "The best way to honour Jo Cox's memory is to get Brexit done."

    Government by trolling.

    The tactic seems to be that making the opposite angry works for him.

    The Jo Cox chat surely points to that.

    It's not even government: just trolling. Just shows that he has absolutely nothing to give. He's like some idiot drunk outside a pub challenging people to fight him.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    Not sure the opposition is channeling its outrage particularly well.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    rjsterry wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    "The best way to honour Jo Cox's memory is to get Brexit done."

    Government by trolling.

    The tactic seems to be that making the opposite angry works for him.

    The Jo Cox chat surely points to that.

    It's not even government: just trolling. Just shows that he has absolutely nothing to give. He's like some idiot drunk outside a pub challenging people to fight him.
    Probably got lashed up on the flight home.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    Being bombarded by adverts to check if I am ready for Brexit at gov.uk/brexit so I had a look.
    Basically businesses importing/exporting have to start the process at least 4 weeks before 31/10/19.
    For clarification, that is next Thursday. And we still have no clue as to what basis we are leaving by. Tick tock.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    "The best way to honour Jo Cox's memory is to get Brexit done."

    Government by trolling.

    The tactic seems to be that making the opposite angry works for him.

    The Jo Cox chat surely points to that.

    It's not even government: just trolling. Just shows that he has absolutely nothing to give. He's like some idiot drunk outside a pub challenging people to fight him.

    Unless that is the tactic.

    If it’s parliament vs the people maybe riling them up is a way to demonstrate just how “against the people (ie Brexit)” they are.
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  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Being bombarded by adverts to check if I am ready for Brexit at gov.uk/brexit so I had a look.
    Basically businesses importing/exporting have to start the process at least 4 weeks before 31/10/19.
    For clarification, that is next Thursday. And we still have no clue as to what basis we are leaving by. Tick tock.
    If it's with a deal (which is what they keep saying they want) there would be a standstill transition period so there would be literally no change.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Boris energy levels getting low.
    Suggests he'll give shorter answers.
    Bercow telling him its early yet.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • bobmcstuff
    bobmcstuff Posts: 11,435
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Boris energy levels getting low.
    Suggests he'll give shorter answers.
    Bercow telling him its early yet.
    Sun's getting real low...
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Boris energy levels getting low.
    Suggests he'll give shorter answers.
    Bercow telling him its early yet.
    Long day on the plane, bugger all sleep, jet lag, all set up to dig his own hole and drop down with a Sean coronary.
    Tonight he demonstrates just how ill equipped he is to lead the country. It is mind boggling that the tory mp's thought he was the best candidate. I can understand the stupidity of the membership but expected the mps to have seen this coming.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Congrats remoaners! Today was worth getting Parliament back. What a waste of time and all this just reinforces the Leave vote come the election.

    I also enjoyed seeing Bercow looking really uncomfortable in the chair as this is the parliament he has created and presided over. He has lost control and authority. It was delicious to see the Tories serve their revenge on him, and I sure they will continue to do so. They humiliated him beautifully.
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Boris opening up vonc to other parties may be setting up dup to call it.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Boris walks out, not staying for points of order.
    Bercow chastises him on the way out.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    "TheBigBean” wrote:

    "More people voted for Brexit in Scotland than the SNP" . Hadn't heard that before.

    For good reason.
    [/quote][/quote]
    In Scotland
    1,018,322 vote Leave.
    In 2017 977,569 voted SNP


    In the referendum. the UK majority to Leave was 1.3m or put another way, a greater number than the whole of the SNP vote.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    "TheBigBean” wrote:

    "More people voted for Brexit in Scotland than the SNP" . Hadn't heard that before.

    For good reason.
    [/quote]
    In Scotland
    1,018,322 vote Leave.
    In 2017 977,569 voted SNP


    In the referendum. the UK majority to Leave was 1.3m or put another way, a greater number than the whole of the SNP vote.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

    Don’t make me think you’re a thicko again.

    It should be plainly obvious why you are not comparing apples with applies.
    _
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Boris walks out, not staying for points of order.
    Bercow chastises him on the way out.

    Bercow is delighted. He gets to talk more.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    1,617,989 voted for independence too but that doesn’t suit your line of argument and is equally irrelevant.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    "TheBigBean” wrote:

    "More people voted for Brexit in Scotland than the SNP" . Hadn't heard that before.

    For good reason.
    In Scotland
    1,018,322 vote Leave.
    In 2017 977,569 voted SNP


    In the referendum. the UK majority to Leave was 1.3m or put another way, a greater number than the whole of the SNP vote.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

    Don’t make me think you’re a thicko again.

    It should be plainly obvious why you are not comparing apples with applies.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

    Of course it isn't apples with apples, but neither is saying that because Scotland voted remain, Scotland voted for independence. Or because SNP won the most seats, Scotland voted for independence.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    "TheBigBean” wrote:

    "More people voted for Brexit in Scotland than the SNP" . Hadn't heard that before.

    For good reason.
    In Scotland
    1,018,322 vote Leave.
    In 2017 977,569 voted SNP


    In the referendum. the UK majority to Leave was 1.3m or put another way, a greater number than the whole of the SNP vote.
    [/quote][/quote]

    Don’t make me think you’re a thicko again.

    It should be plainly obvious why you are not comparing apples with applies.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

    Of course it isn't apples with apples, but neither is saying that because Scotland voted remain, Scotland voted for independence. Or because SNP won the most seats, Scotland voted for independence.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

    I never know what your argument is beyond whatever the consensus in any given argument isn’t.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    TailWindHome wrote:
    With reference to the diagram posted above, if the supreme Court decides that the advice to the Queen was deliberately misleading then I don't see a scenario in which Boris can stay as PM.

    The scenario is the end of the British Conversative Party.

    Extraordinary
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    TailWindHome wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    With reference to the diagram posted above, if the supreme Court decides that the advice to the Queen was deliberately misleading then I don't see a scenario in which Boris can stay as PM.

    The scenario is the end of the British Conversative Party.

    Extraordinary
    How many pages do I have to back to find it?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    [
    I never know what your argument is beyond whatever the consensus in any given argument isn’t.

    It is possible to post without argument, and without need to win or lose a debate.

    I thought it was a decent reply to a question, and not one I had heard before. There was no underlying hypothesis that needed rebutting.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    "TheBigBean” wrote:

    "More people voted for Brexit in Scotland than the SNP" . Hadn't heard that before.

    For good reason.
    In Scotland
    1,018,322 vote Leave.
    In 2017 977,569 voted SNP


    In the referendum. the UK majority to Leave was 1.3m or put another way, a greater number than the whole of the SNP vote.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

    Don’t make me think you’re a thicko again.

    It should be plainly obvious why you are not comparing apples with applies.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

    You hadn't heard it before so I spelled out the details for you as I am wont to do at times on here for the hard of thinking.
    It actually means nothing as it was a UK wide referendum. It's just a quirky stat.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    [
    I never know what your argument is beyond whatever the consensus in any given argument isn’t.

    It is possible to post without argument, and without need to win or lose a debate.

    I thought it was a decent reply to a question, and not one I had heard before. There was no underlying hypothesis that needed rebutting.

    You said it’s decent and the next post illustrate why it’s erroneous and irrelevant?
    _

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