BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Thanks that's helps. Isnt that the problem the remain mps are being out witted by a more ruthless PM and downing street team. They could not even get there act together against may. They are now up against a more ruthless team. To get the upper hand they have to come off the fence and get ruthless. If not the throw in the towel.http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.0
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thecycleclinic wrote:Thanks that's helps. Isnt that the problem the remain mps are being out witted by a more ruthless PM and downing street team. They could not even get there act together against may. They are now up against a more ruthless team. To get the upper hand they have to come off the fence and get ruthless. If not the throw in the towel.
The problem is the Remain MPs voted to activate A50 and then voted down the WA, knowing there was a deadline to accept any agreement.
I can understand why MPs wanting a "No Deal" Brexit voted against any deal, but the others just played into their hands.
From the moment A50 was triggered and negotiations started there were 3 options. No deal, Deal and Remain.
The MPs had already voted by a vast majority to leave, leaving Deal or No Deal. They then continued to vote against the only deal available.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:rjsterry wrote:TheBigBean wrote:
I'm a bit confused what his point is beyond the obvious about parliament rejecting everything. On the one hand he says that only the government should propose policy and on the other he says parliament should provide an alternative that it will accept. It's a fair point about the FTPA, though no solution emerged from the last GE, which was essentially an appeal for public support of May's Brexit strategy. The results of that election hamstring not only the government but also the opposition. Nobody can gain a majority for anything.
Funnily enough, a 48/52 mandate does not fit into either full remain or hard Brexit (leaving the single market).
The polarisation in parliament didn’t reflect the mandate.
Or looked at another way, the situation with public at large which mirrors that in parliament with no majority for anything. It's all very well moaning at MPs for not making a decision, but that's just a reflection of the aggregated views of the public.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:TheBigBean wrote:
I'm a bit confused what his point is beyond the obvious about parliament rejecting everything. On the one hand he says that only the government should propose policy and on the other he says parliament should provide an alternative that it will accept. It's a fair point about the FTPA, though no solution emerged from the last GE, which was essentially an appeal for public support of May's Brexit strategy. The results of that election hamstring not only the government but also the opposition. Nobody can gain a majority for anything.
Did May actually state her brexit strategy at the last election?
Ultimately, remainders don't feel like the proposed deal keeps us close enough to Europe, and I'd say that's a fair assessment. If you voted for A50 in the hope that we were heading to a Norway type approach, then May's deal is not an acceptable one.You live and learn. At any rate, you live0 -
That rather mirrors the situation in the US, where the Trumpublicans are happy to use any way possible to hold onto power, including ignoring/trashing the constitution, whilst the Democrats are sticking to the rule book.thecycleclinic wrote:Thanks that's helps. Isnt that the problem the remain mps are being out witted by a more ruthless PM and downing street team. They could not even get there act together against may. They are now up against a more ruthless team. To get the upper hand they have to come off the fence and get ruthless. If not the throw in the towel.0 -
Leaving the CU and SM were in the manifesto. Along with striking a new deep and special relationship with the EU.Robert88 wrote:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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aka 'Cake-&-Eat-It'. Or 'voting for unicorns'.rjsterry wrote:Leaving the CU and SM were in the manifesto. Along with striking a new deep and special relationship with the EU.0 -
It's worth rereading if you enjoy rolling your eyes.briantrumpet wrote:
aka 'Cake-&-Eat-It'. Or 'voting for unicorns'.rjsterry wrote:Leaving the CU and SM were in the manifesto. Along with striking a new deep and special relationship with the EU.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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TailWindHome wrote:
Steve Barclay is a wonderful illustration of the kind of people the North East of Cambridgeshire produce nowadays.0 -
TailWindHome wrote:
I assume that's been in "drafts" for a couple years.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:TailWindHome wrote:
Steve Barclay is a wonderful illustration of the kind of people the North East of Cambridgeshire produce nowadays.
Boggles the mind anyone would let their representative loose on anywhere beyond fen ditches and surgeries removing third nipples and sixth toes.0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:Coopster the 1st wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?
That ship has sailed, mate.
Fair enough. By as soon as possible I didn't mean months, I meant years.
Start packing!
Well you bastards didn't shut up about it for 40 years....
You've got all your failed project fear predictions to get through over the next 10 years.
Then we can be sure the EU will continue to undermine your position and prove Leavers correct.
Your only chance of being part of the EU in the future is relocating. You deserve each other 0 -
In the context of the challenges of EU citizens are having in the UK and visa versa, the 'start packing' comment was particularly tasteless, but then I realised you're too thick to get the context, so I relaxed again.0
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I wondered if a disgruntled assistant had got hold of his phone.KingstonGraham wrote:TailWindHome wrote:
I assume that's been in "drafts" for a couple years.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I think this week's events dismiss the idea that the Conservative party are in any way reuniting under Johnson.
Interesting spot that the last questionable prorogation was just before the 1997 general election.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:I think this week's events dismiss the idea that the Conservative party are in any way reuniting under Johnson.
Interesting spot that the last questionable prorogation was just before the 1997 general election.
The cabinet is also really noticeably absent from the TV.
No-one with a cabinet position seems willing to go on any of their slots on newsnight etc, and they are getting unusually annoyed (e.g. Rudd) when they get doorstepped instead. Instead we get guido fawkes writers (bloggers FFS), on newsnight proclaiming massive tory victories (who knew).
Not only are they deliberately reducing time for debate in Parliament, they're also not willing to open themselves up to press scrutiny.
These are genuinely tactics that extremist politicians tend to use.0 -
rjsterry wrote:
I wondered if a disgruntled assistant had got hold of his phone.KingstonGraham wrote:TailWindHome wrote:
I assume that's been in "drafts" for a couple years.
That is one possible explanation. Surely there is no way arch Brexiteer and sec of state for exiting the EU just wrote that.
Surely the real Steve Barclay knows that the UK car industry is a price worth paying.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:rjsterry wrote:I think this week's events dismiss the idea that the Conservative party are in any way reuniting under Johnson.
Interesting spot that the last questionable prorogation was just before the 1997 general election.
The cabinet is also really noticeably absent from the TV.
No-one with a cabinet position seems willing to go on any of their slots on newsnight etc, and they are getting unusually annoyed (e.g. Rudd) when they get doorstepped instead. Instead we get guido fawkes writers (bloggers FFS), on newsnight proclaiming massive tory victories (who knew).
Not only are they deliberately reducing time for debate in Parliament, they're also not willing to open themselves up to press scrutiny.
These are genuinely tactics that extremist politicians tend to use.
I think Shapps was wheeled out this morning for R4. TBF, if I'd publicly sold out my professional reputation I wouldn't want to talk to the press about it either. 1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:rjsterry wrote:I think this week's events dismiss the idea that the Conservative party are in any way reuniting under Johnson.
Interesting spot that the last questionable prorogation was just before the 1997 general election.
The cabinet is also really noticeably absent from the TV.
No-one with a cabinet position seems willing to go on any of their slots on newsnight etc, and they are getting unusually annoyed (e.g. Rudd) when they get doorstepped instead. Instead we get guido fawkes writers (bloggers FFS), on newsnight proclaiming massive tory victories (who knew).
Not only are they deliberately reducing time for debate in Parliament, they're also not willing to open themselves up to press scrutiny.
These are genuinely tactics that extremist politicians tend to use.
I think Shapps was wheeled out this morning for R4. TBF, if I'd publicly sold out my professional reputation I wouldn't want to talk to the press about it either.
Yes but it's not really about want is it.
Without being even more of a boring f*ck than usual, democracy also requires scrutiny of its leaders, and the main mechanism for that is being available to the mainstream press to answer questions.
This whole 'Cummings is playing 4D chess' narrative is also getting on my t!ts.
It doesn't take a genius to sidestep the democratic norms to force through your own agenda. That's easy. You just need a high level of shamelessness and a thick skin.
What takes a genius is to get what you want through the usual channels and make your opponents think they're winning by doing what you want.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:In the context of the challenges of EU citizens are having in the UK and visa versa, the 'start packing' comment was particularly tasteless, but then I realised you [Coopster] are too thick to get the context, so I relaxed again.
I'm quoting this to keep it visible.
Well said, Rick.
The horrible bastard has me on block, I think, but that's by the by.Ben
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interesting article in The Times about the UK car industry... at least there will be less congestion at the ports
The British automotive manufacturing industry has slumped to its 14th successive month of decline with production at a seven-year low.
With the new figures showing exports of British-made cars sharply in reverse, a separate report published yesterday also claims that UK motor factories face £4 billion a year in extra costs, mainly made up of tariffs and border-post friction in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Latest data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) showed a 10 per cent fall in production from Britain’s car plants in July. In the year to date factories have produced 180,000 fewer cars, at 955,000, meaning that Britain’s carworkers are producing 26,000 fewer cars a month.
Cars built for export, which make up about four in every five rolling off UK assembly lines, have fallen by 20 per cent.
In 2016 British factories produced 1.72 million cars, with forecasts suggesting they could be on track to eclipse the all-time record of 1.92 million set in 1972. The SMMT trade body is now forecasting a figure of 1.37 million for 2019.0 -
I'm reminded of the Dutch press conferences with the new US ambassador to the Netherlands.
"This is the Netherlands; you have to answer our questions".0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:interesting article in The Times about the UK car industry... at least there will be less congestion at the ports
The British automotive manufacturing industry has slumped to its 14th successive month of decline with production at a seven-year low.
With the new figures showing exports of British-made cars sharply in reverse, a separate report published yesterday also claims that UK motor factories face £4 billion a year in extra costs, mainly made up of tariffs and border-post friction in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Latest data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) showed a 10 per cent fall in production from Britain’s car plants in July. In the year to date factories have produced 180,000 fewer cars, at 955,000, meaning that Britain’s carworkers are producing 26,000 fewer cars a month.
Cars built for export, which make up about four in every five rolling off UK assembly lines, have fallen by 20 per cent.
In 2016 British factories produced 1.72 million cars, with forecasts suggesting they could be on track to eclipse the all-time record of 1.92 million set in 1972. The SMMT trade body is now forecasting a figure of 1.37 million for 2019.
I find it hard to give many sh!ts to be honest, mainly because the only person I know who works for one bloody loves Brexit but they are the most obvious economic victims of the whole charade.
I think losses in City are covered up by the noise of just a lot of hiring and firing anyway, but I if I was a betting man I'd say they were probably more material for both people and money. I suspect that generates significantly less disappointment however.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 75711.html0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:rjsterry wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:rjsterry wrote:I think this week's events dismiss the idea that the Conservative party are in any way reuniting under Johnson.
Interesting spot that the last questionable prorogation was just before the 1997 general election.
The cabinet is also really noticeably absent from the TV.
No-one with a cabinet position seems willing to go on any of their slots on newsnight etc, and they are getting unusually annoyed (e.g. Rudd) when they get doorstepped instead. Instead we get guido fawkes writers (bloggers FFS), on newsnight proclaiming massive tory victories (who knew).
Not only are they deliberately reducing time for debate in Parliament, they're also not willing to open themselves up to press scrutiny.
These are genuinely tactics that extremist politicians tend to use.
I think Shapps was wheeled out this morning for R4. TBF, if I'd publicly sold out my professional reputation I wouldn't want to talk to the press about it either.
Yes but it's not really about want is it.
Without being even more of a boring f*ck than usual, democracy also requires scrutiny of its leaders, and the main mechanism for that is being available to the mainstream press to answer questions.
This whole 'Cummings is playing 4D chess' narrative is also getting on my t!ts.
It doesn't take a genius to sidestep the democratic norms to force through your own agenda. That's easy. You just need a high level of shamelessness and a thick skin.
What takes a genius is to get what you want through the usual channels and make your opponents think they're winning by doing what you want.
Absolutely, I wasn't being serious. Agreed on Cummings as well. Constantly referring to him as Rasputin, etc. is to completely miss his significance.
@Ben: I'm not sure requoting our own poundshop Alex Jones does anyone any favours.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Rick Chasey wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:interesting article in The Times about the UK car industry... at least there will be less congestion at the ports
The British automotive manufacturing industry has slumped to its 14th successive month of decline with production at a seven-year low.
With the new figures showing exports of British-made cars sharply in reverse, a separate report published yesterday also claims that UK motor factories face £4 billion a year in extra costs, mainly made up of tariffs and border-post friction in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Latest data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) showed a 10 per cent fall in production from Britain’s car plants in July. In the year to date factories have produced 180,000 fewer cars, at 955,000, meaning that Britain’s carworkers are producing 26,000 fewer cars a month.
Cars built for export, which make up about four in every five rolling off UK assembly lines, have fallen by 20 per cent.
In 2016 British factories produced 1.72 million cars, with forecasts suggesting they could be on track to eclipse the all-time record of 1.92 million set in 1972. The SMMT trade body is now forecasting a figure of 1.37 million for 2019.
I find it hard to give many sh!ts to be honest, mainly because the only person I know who works for one bloody loves Brexit but they are the most obvious economic victims of the whole charade.
I think losses in City are covered up by the noise of just a lot of hiring and firing anyway, but I if I was a betting man I'd say they were probably more material for both people and money. I suspect that generates significantly less disappointment however.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 75711.html
whilst I give an equal number of sh1ts about the Sunderland lot I am surprised at your overall lack of bother about innocent people losing their jobs. It was also a high profile example of successful govt intervention.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:Rick Chasey wrote:Surrey Commuter wrote:interesting article in The Times about the UK car industry... at least there will be less congestion at the ports
The British automotive manufacturing industry has slumped to its 14th successive month of decline with production at a seven-year low.
With the new figures showing exports of British-made cars sharply in reverse, a separate report published yesterday also claims that UK motor factories face £4 billion a year in extra costs, mainly made up of tariffs and border-post friction in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Latest data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) showed a 10 per cent fall in production from Britain’s car plants in July. In the year to date factories have produced 180,000 fewer cars, at 955,000, meaning that Britain’s carworkers are producing 26,000 fewer cars a month.
Cars built for export, which make up about four in every five rolling off UK assembly lines, have fallen by 20 per cent.
In 2016 British factories produced 1.72 million cars, with forecasts suggesting they could be on track to eclipse the all-time record of 1.92 million set in 1972. The SMMT trade body is now forecasting a figure of 1.37 million for 2019.
I find it hard to give many sh!ts to be honest, mainly because the only person I know who works for one bloody loves Brexit but they are the most obvious economic victims of the whole charade.
I think losses in City are covered up by the noise of just a lot of hiring and firing anyway, but I if I was a betting man I'd say they were probably more material for both people and money. I suspect that generates significantly less disappointment however.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 75711.html
whilst I give an equal number of sh1ts about the Sunderland lot I am surprised at your overall lack of bother about innocent people losing their jobs. It was also a high profile example of successful govt intervention.
You're right, if I was in a better mood I would be.0 -
Surrey Commuter wrote:interesting article in The Times about the UK car industry... at least there will be less congestion at the ports
The British automotive manufacturing industry has slumped to its 14th successive month of decline with production at a seven-year low.
With the new figures showing exports of British-made cars sharply in reverse, a separate report published yesterday also claims that UK motor factories face £4 billion a year in extra costs, mainly made up of tariffs and border-post friction in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Latest data from the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) showed a 10 per cent fall in production from Britain’s car plants in July. In the year to date factories have produced 180,000 fewer cars, at 955,000, meaning that Britain’s carworkers are producing 26,000 fewer cars a month.
Cars built for export, which make up about four in every five rolling off UK assembly lines, have fallen by 20 per cent.
In 2016 British factories produced 1.72 million cars, with forecasts suggesting they could be on track to eclipse the all-time record of 1.92 million set in 1972. The SMMT trade body is now forecasting a figure of 1.37 million for 2019.
Dread to think what it's doing to the German car market as we are so vital to them there is simply no way Germany will let us leave without a deal remember. Ah, there's now a gap of 180,000 cars a year that needs plugging by cars made outside the UK!0 -
Coopster the 1st wrote:Your only chance of being part of the EU in the future is relocating. You deserve each other
You've made that more complicated too, probably.0
