BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

hopkinb

KingstonGraham wrote:

If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?

There's no way the UK would get the sweet "cake and eat it" terms it has now on any potential re-joining. Nor any certainty that the EU would even want/allow the UK to rejoin, given likely regulatory divergence.
I know that's not an answer, but if/when then UK leaves the EU, I don't think it will re-join in my lifetime.

rick_chasey

KingstonGraham wrote:

If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?

That ship has sailed, mate.

rjsterry

HaydenM wrote:

^ Agreed, I thought she spoke well and made some convincing arguments whether I agreed with her or not. Must be a pretty hard thing to do to step back

If the leader of your party has made your role significantly more difficult overnight, undoing most of the work you've done in rebuilding the party in Scotland, I shouldn't think it's that hard.

Matthewfalle

Rick Chasey wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?

That ship has sailed, mate.

as richard said.

they ain't gonna let you back in dude.

#solongfairweallayfwiedersengoodbyeeee

kingstongraham

Rick Chasey wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?

That ship has sailed, mate.

Fair enough. By as soon as possible I didn't mean months, I meant years.

haydenm

rjsterry wrote:

HaydenM wrote:

^ Agreed, I thought she spoke well and made some convincing arguments whether I agreed with her or not. Must be a pretty hard thing to do to step back

If the leader of your party has made your role significantly more difficult overnight, undoing most of the work you've done in rebuilding the party in Scotland, I shouldn't think it's that hard.

Probably not actually, depends on what her ambitions might have been. I don't have a huge amount of faith in any of the other Scottish based Tories despite knowing a few of them. The political choice in Westminster and up here is between dreadful and dreary as far as I can see

twotoebenny

hopkinb wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?

There's no way the UK would get the sweet "cake and eat it" terms it has now on any potential re-joining. Nor any certainty that the EU would even want/allow the UK to rejoin, given likely regulatory divergence.
I know that's not an answer, but if/when then UK leaves the EU, I don't think it will re-join in my lifetime.

This, we've got a really good deal st the moment no way we'll get a 2nd shot at it.

coopster_the_1st

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?

That ship has sailed, mate.

Fair enough. By as soon as possible I didn't mean months, I meant years.

Start packing!

shirley_basso

Except we don't have sovereignty, remember.

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?

That ship has sailed, mate.

Fair enough. By as soon as possible I didn't mean months, I meant years.

Start packing!

Well you bastards didn't shut up about it for 40 years....

rick_chasey

I for one will welcome the next decade of culture wars, as they seamlessly interweave regular moments of despair and projected anger into the drudgery of suburban life, giving me something else to gormlessly stare at on my phone whilst commuting, when I'm not listlessly swallowing the never-ending stream of faux-high-brow netflix TV series.

rick_chasey

From a more short-term perspective, what about the gov't saying they're not gonna do the things that they then do will give the EU confidence that the UK *will* stick to its promises?

hopkinb

Rick Chasey wrote:

I for one will welcome the next decade of culture wars, as they seamlessly interweave regular moments of despair and projected anger into the drudgery of suburban life, giving me something else to gormlessly stare at on my phone whilst commuting, when I'm not listlessly swallowing the never-ending stream of faux-high-brow netflix TV series.

Nihilist.

Take up crack to add money worries and crippling paranoia to the melting pot.

rick_chasey

hopkinb wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I for one will welcome the next decade of culture wars, as they seamlessly interweave regular moments of despair and projected anger into the drudgery of suburban life, giving me something else to gormlessly stare at on my phone whilst commuting, when I'm not listlessly swallowing the never-ending stream of faux-high-brow netflix TV series.

Nihilist.

Take up crack to add money worries and crippling paranoia to the melting pot.

I prefer brown; the relentless, insatiable need to top up whilst desperately trying to hide it from colleagues and friends, with the added bonus of real risk of missing your stop on the train, as your eyes are rolling back in your head and you are drooling half a litre of spit onto your crotch.

hopkinb

Rick Chasey wrote:

hopkinb wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I for one will welcome the next decade of culture wars, as they seamlessly interweave regular moments of despair and projected anger into the drudgery of suburban life, giving me something else to gormlessly stare at on my phone whilst commuting, when I'm not listlessly swallowing the never-ending stream of faux-high-brow netflix TV series.

Nihilist.

Take up crack to add money worries and crippling paranoia to the melting pot.

I prefer brown; the relentless, insatiable need to top up whilst desperately trying to hide it from colleagues and friends, with the added bonus of real risk of missing your stop on the train, as your eyes are rolling back in your head and you are drooling half a litre of spit onto your crotch.

There we go, you'll also forget all about Brexit every time lady H tickles your synapses. Life is all about adding a little spice to domestic mundanity.

Matthewfalle

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?

That ship has sailed, mate.

Fair enough. By as soon as possible I didn't mean months, I meant years.

years, decades, whatever.

it ain't gonna happen

#onyourownnow

cruff

Rick Chasey wrote:

hopkinb wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I for one will welcome the next decade of culture wars, as they seamlessly interweave regular moments of despair and projected anger into the drudgery of suburban life, giving me something else to gormlessly stare at on my phone whilst commuting, when I'm not listlessly swallowing the never-ending stream of faux-high-brow netflix TV series.

Nihilist.

Take up crack to add money worries and crippling paranoia to the melting pot.

I prefer brown; the relentless, insatiable need to top up whilst desperately trying to hide it from colleagues and friends, with the added bonus of real risk of missing your stop on the train, as your eyes are rolling back in your head and you are drooling half a litre of spit onto your crotch.

Or just move Up North

kingstongraham

Matthewfalle wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If we leave, what's the best option for those of us who would want to go back in as soon as possible? No deal or the May deal?

That ship has sailed, mate.

Fair enough. By as soon as possible I didn't mean months, I meant years.

years, decades, whatever.

it ain't gonna happen

#onyourownnow

Not yet. Anyway, we've got Uncle Donald.

john80

hopkinb wrote:

john80 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

john80 wrote:

It is a little bit amusing that parliament taking a break is a affront to democracy yet an overwhelming majority of MP's voting for article 50 then spending three years doing their best to prevent the UK leaving the EU after they asked the nation in a fairly well publicised referendum is democratic.

Elected representatives holding the government to account is entirely democratic.

And I am sure that a few of them will suffer the consequences of their decision at the next general election. When they are holding the government to account when it is trying to leave and deliver the outcome of a referendum by stopping it repeatedly I am not seeing how this is overly democratic but each to their own.

MPs are not delegates of their constituents, they never have been.

There were several tory rebels who defied the whip and voted against the government's withdrawal agreement for ideological reasons. Do they attract your ire as well?

Whilst MP's are expected to have their own judgements and views if their views are not popular with those that vote for them or may vote next time then this rules them out of the job. So therefore it follows that unless those MP's happen to be in remain heavy constituencies where the Tory voting section of the community also hold those views then yes it would seem like there might be a consequence to their voting history. There is also that added issue that the party can deselect them and they would stand zero chance of being re-elected as the Change UK party may well find out.

kingstonian

She does speak a lot of sense, tbf.

robert88

It'll be fine..

He certainly needs a rope.

cycleclinic

Can some examination why.

Back in July some amendments got passed that meant parliament had to sit to receive updates every two weeks on the progress of reforming the northern Irish government I stormont. Now parliament is prorouged over that period.

How is this possible. This legislation was meant to prevent this. What the governments get out. Are our MPs being naive in not having foreseen.

ballysmate

thecycleclinic wrote:

Can some examination why.

Back in July some amendments got passed that meant parliament had to sit to receive updates every two weeks on the progress of reforming the northern Irish government I stormont. Now parliament is prorouged over that period.

How is this possible. This legislation was meant to prevent this. What the governments get out. Are our MPs being naive in not having foreseen.

As has been pointed out MPs weren't fussed on sitting for such matters during their extended hols.

cycleclinic

That does not explain how the law was over ridden. Summer hols are recess which is different to prorouge which is suspension of all parliamentary activities including select committee activities. Those committees is how parliament scrutinised and hold the government to account. The government can implement new regulation in the prorouged period without any scrutiny from mps. That's what is so dangerous.

ballysmate

What if an election was called or could we not have one because the house cannot be desolved and must her updated every 2 weeks

tailwindhome

thecycleclinic wrote:

Can some examination why.

Back in July some amendments got passed that meant parliament had to sit to receive updates every two weeks on the progress of reforming the northern Irish government I stormont. Now parliament is prorouged over that period.

How is this possible. This legislation was meant to prevent this. What the governments get out. Are our MPs being naive in not having foreseen.

The prorogue dates fit round the 'report' dates in the legislation - I posted it yesterday

9th Sept

(1)The Secretary of State must, on or before 4 September 2019, publish a report explaining what progress has been made towards the formation of an Executive in Northern Ireland (unless an Executive has already been formed).
(2)The Secretary of State must make arrangements for—
(a)a copy of each report published under subsection (1) to be laid before each House of Parliament by the end of the day on which it is published,
(b)a motion in neutral terms, to the effect that the House of Commons has considered the report, to be moved in the House of Commons by a Minister of the Crown, and
(c)a motion for the House of Lords to take note of the report to be tabled in the House of Lords and moved by a Minister of the Crown.
(3)The motions required under subsections (2)(b) and (c) must be moved in the relevant House by a Minister of the Crown within the period of five calendar days beginning with the end of the day on which the report is laid before Parliament.

14th Oct

(5)The Secretary of State shall make a further report under subsection (1) on or before 9 October 2019 and at least every fourteen calendar days thereafter until either an Executive is formed or until 18 December 2019, whichever is the sooner.

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TheBigBean

thecycleclinic wrote:

Can some examination why.

Back in July some amendments got passed that meant parliament had to sit to receive updates every two weeks on the progress of reforming the northern Irish government I stormont. Now parliament is prorouged over that period.

How is this possible. This legislation was meant to prevent this. What the governments get out. Are our MPs being naive in not having foreseen.

It was every two weeks when parliament was going to be sitting so excluded the three/four week recess for conferences. The extra one/two weeks that have been added on are then within the NI reporting dates.

TheBigBean

A fairly balanced article here

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ve-no-deal

rjsterry

TheBigBean wrote:

A fairly balanced article here

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ve-no-deal

I'm a bit confused what his point is beyond the obvious about parliament rejecting everything. On the one hand he says that only the government should propose policy and on the other he says parliament should provide an alternative that it will accept. It's a fair point about the FTPA, though no solution emerged from the last GE, which was essentially an appeal for public support of May's Brexit strategy. The results of that election hamstring not only the government but also the opposition. Nobody can gain a majority for anything.

rick_chasey

rjsterry wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

A fairly balanced article here

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ve-no-deal

I'm a bit confused what his point is beyond the obvious about parliament rejecting everything. On the one hand he says that only the government should propose policy and on the other he says parliament should provide an alternative that it will accept. It's a fair point about the FTPA, though no solution emerged from the last GE, which was essentially an appeal for public support of May's Brexit strategy. The results of that election hamstring not only the government but also the opposition. Nobody can gain a majority for anything.

Funnily enough, a 48/52 mandate does not fit into either full remain or hard Brexit (leaving the single market).

The polarisation in parliament didn’t reflect the mandate.