BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

tailwindhome

TheBigBean wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

The EU and UK. Talking but not in talks.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 99429?s=19

I like Tony Connelly, but I think he is overlooking the not insignificant "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" part of the joint report. Plus, like you, he never seems to find any fault with Ireland's actions.

I don't find fault with Ireland's actions.

TheBigBean

TailWindHome wrote:

TheBigBean wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

The EU and UK. Talking but not in talks.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 99429?s=19

I like Tony Connelly, but I think he is overlooking the not insignificant "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" part of the joint report. Plus, like you, he never seems to find any fault with Ireland's actions.

I don't find fault with Ireland's actions.

Yes, as stated.

rick_chasey

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold

Unless you believe there's a sweetspot between "Ive delivered Brexit" and "Christ what have we done" which results in a working majority

S’about a 36hr window

Jez mon

Rick Chasey wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold

Unless you believe there's a sweetspot between "Ive delivered Brexit" and "Christ what have we done" which results in a working majority

S’about a 36hr window

Well they can boost it by closing the banks for 24 hours. That gives them what, ~ 28 days left to cover :shock:

tailwindhome

Rick Chasey wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold

Unless you believe there's a sweetspot between "Ive delivered Brexit" and "Christ what have we done" which results in a working majority

S’about a 36hr window

Dunno

I think its going to take a while to assess what has happened.



Also people seem to have forgotten that all the EU mitigations have an expiry date, effectively putting in 2nd cliff edge.

pblakeney

KingstonGraham wrote:

Don't think there's any plan for after the 1st November.

Next notable date is the 5th November.
Coincidence?

rjsterry

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold

Unless you believe there's a sweetspot between "Ive delivered Brexit" and "Christ what have we done" which results in a working majority

S’about a 36hr window

Dunno

I think its going to take a while to assess what has happened.

<5 weeks, I would suggest.

cycleclinic

How exactly did we manage to park ourselves on a live mine clearly labelled a live mine and those driving us thinking this is a good idea.

Anyway started filling in my maltese citizenship application form just in case. The chinese or russians have to buy one for a million euros I can get mine by my parents citizenship at birth - bargin.

5th novemeber that likely to be sparky.

rick_chasey

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold

Unless you believe there's a sweetspot between "Ive delivered Brexit" and "Christ what have we done" which results in a working majority

S’about a 36hr window

Dunno

I think its going to take a while to assess what has happened.



Also people seem to have forgotten that all the EU mitigations have an expiry date, effectively putting in 2nd cliff edge.

Queues in Dover will be big pretty fast.

Within a week certain foods will stop being on shelves

cycleclinic

No food on the shelves, well we'll all pop over to france and clear there shelves too. Its not going to end well is it.

Stevo_666

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

It's about the adjustment.

The current way of doing things depends on certain things being there.

No deal immediately disrupts that.

It doesn't last forever, but the shock is big, and the new normal will be different. More tariffs etc etc.

Have you not read any of the impact assessments?

Literally a 2 second google:

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-07/lor ... al-brexit/

DeVlaeminck

thecycleclinic wrote:

If parliamnet is suspended riots could happen. it not likely to be peaceful. I have never protested in life but that is something that would bring me out.

Peterloo is a warning. Back then the state never fully recovered from that masacare and a series of reforms followed i.e the people won in the end. Thes lessons of history are clear if you dont allow represenetation is gets ugly quickly.

Peterloo was over 200 years ago. The series of reforms came over the next century or more - I'm not sure that that massacre was the catalyst for them.

People may protest , those protests may turn violent but I can't see any riots being serious enough to be more than a report on the evening news for 99% of the population. People are pretty apathetic about politics now - I doubt the reaction would be as strong as perhaps it should be.

robert88

DeVlaeminck wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

If parliamnet is suspended riots could happen. it not likely to be peaceful. I have never protested in life but that is something that would bring me out.

Peterloo is a warning. Back then the state never fully recovered from that masacare and a series of reforms followed i.e the people won in the end. Thes lessons of history are clear if you dont allow represenetation is gets ugly quickly.

Peterloo was over 200 years ago. The series of reforms came over the next century or more - I'm not sure that that massacre was the catalyst for them.

People may protest , those protests may turn violent but I can't see any riots being serious enough to be more than a report on the evening news for 99% of the population. People are pretty apathetic about politics now - I doubt the reaction would be as strong as perhaps it should be.

The Chartists. Times were turbulent around 1840.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

It's about the adjustment.

The current way of doing things depends on certain things being there.

No deal immediately disrupts that.

It doesn't last forever, but the shock is big, and the new normal will be different. More tariffs etc etc.

Have you not read any of the impact assessments?

Literally a 2 second google:

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-07/lor ... al-brexit/

We already have the processes in place for non-EU imports, clearly.

I have read impact assessments thanks: the point is (as often is the case on this thread) that the impact will in my view be less severe than some hope it will be. If you also recall the UK has said that it will prioritise goods flow over revenue collection in the short term to lessen disruption.
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-these-are-the-governments-priority-imports/
Which is more than you can say about the EU.

Stevo_666

Rick, this may be relevant to you and a few others on here

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-liberals-no-deal-brexit-hard-left-a9046976.html

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

We're all guessing, really, but services, particularly financial, are likely to be a more immediate issue.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

We're all guessing, really, but services, particularly financial, are likely to be a more immediate issue.

Yes, how will all those European financial institutions keep their access to the City of London so that we can keep on importing services?

sungod

Rick Chasey wrote:

I presume this is code for "this is a bad idea"

if he's serious it denotes a profound ignorance on his part of how the banking system operates

sungod

Stevo 666 wrote:

We already have the processes in place for non-EU imports, clearly.

I have read impact assessments thanks: the point is (as often is the case on this thread) that the impact will in my view be less severe than some hope it will be. If you also recall the UK has said that it will prioritise goods flow over revenue collection in the short term to lessen disruption.
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-these-are-the-governments-priority-imports/
Which is more than you can say about the EU.

uk has processes in place for non-eu imports as an eu member

successive governments' track record on major information technology projects suggests there'd be a fiasco if control systems were required to scale up 'short term'

continued exports to eu will be outside uk control, hard to see the eu being helpful if the liar johnson stiffs them on the divorce settlement

orraloon

Yebbut, he's targeting Doris and Elsie, his 'core' support, is he not?

Keep the message going chaps, habituation. Is the modus of the Con men.

orraloon

orraloon wrote:

Yebbut, he's targeting Doris and Elsie, his 'core' support, is he not?

Keep the message going chaps, habituation. Is the modus of the Con men.

Edit. Was reply to sungod's Gove quote

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

We're all guessing, really, but services, particularly financial, are likely to be a more immediate issue.

Yes, how will all those European financial institutions keep their access to the City of London so that we can keep on importing services?

I was thinking of export, but anyway. I'm sure some work around will be found. The question is how quickly and at whose expense. Based on our progress so far: too slowly and at our expense. I think it is significant that the previous prime minister chose to resign rather than take us down that route.

Stevo_666

orraloon wrote:

Keep the message going chaps, habituation. Is the modus of the Con men.

If that's true it doesn't reflect well on quite a few contributors to this thread

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

We're all guessing, really, but services, particularly financial, are likely to be a more immediate issue.

Yes, how will all those European financial institutions keep their access to the City of London so that we can keep on importing services?

I was thinking of export, but anyway. I'm sure some work around will be found. The question is how quickly and at whose expense. Based on our progress so far: too slowly and at our expense. I think it is significant that the previous prime minister chose to resign rather than take us down that route.

I made the point before that access to the London financial markets is something that EU institutions will need. It gives us leverage when it comes to discussing our services exports - if necessary.

Stevo_666

sungod wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

We already have the processes in place for non-EU imports, clearly.

I have read impact assessments thanks: the point is (as often is the case on this thread) that the impact will in my view be less severe than some hope it will be. If you also recall the UK has said that it will prioritise goods flow over revenue collection in the short term to lessen disruption.
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/no-deal-brexit-these-are-the-governments-priority-imports/
Which is more than you can say about the EU.

uk has processes in place for non-eu imports as an eu member

successive governments' track record on major information technology projects suggests there'd be a fiasco if control systems were required to scale up 'short term'

continued exports to eu will be outside uk control, hard to see the eu being helpful if the liar johnson stiffs them on the divorce settlement

We start with the EU member processes and may diverge over time.

Our supply chain organisation will switch over from treating supplies to the UK as intra-community transfers to supplies to a third country at the appropriate time. So it is 'transferable' in practice.

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

We're all guessing, really, but services, particularly financial, are likely to be a more immediate issue.

Yes, how will all those European financial institutions keep their access to the City of London so that we can keep on importing services?

I was thinking of export, but anyway. I'm sure some work around will be found. The question is how quickly and at whose expense. Based on our progress so far: too slowly and at our expense. I think it is significant that the previous prime minister chose to resign rather than take us down that route.

I made the point before that access to the London financial markets is something that EU institutions will need. It gives us leverage when it comes to discussing our services exports - if necessary.

Nobody in government seems to be interested. It's all fishermen and sheep farmers.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

We're all guessing, really, but services, particularly financial, are likely to be a more immediate issue.

Yes, how will all those European financial institutions keep their access to the City of London so that we can keep on importing services?

I was thinking of export, but anyway. I'm sure some work around will be found. The question is how quickly and at whose expense. Based on our progress so far: too slowly and at our expense. I think it is significant that the previous prime minister chose to resign rather than take us down that route.

I made the point before that access to the London financial markets is something that EU institutions will need. It gives us leverage when it comes to discussing our services exports - if necessary.

Nobody in government seems to be interested. It's all fishermen and sheep farmers.

The EU will need to be interested.

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

It makes me wonder how on earth we manage to import any food from non-EU countries - which is approx 20% of all food consumed in the UK (50% is UK sourced and 30% comes from the EU currently).

We're all guessing, really, but services, particularly financial, are likely to be a more immediate issue.

Yes, how will all those European financial institutions keep their access to the City of London so that we can keep on importing services?

I was thinking of export, but anyway. I'm sure some work around will be found. The question is how quickly and at whose expense. Based on our progress so far: too slowly and at our expense. I think it is significant that the previous prime minister chose to resign rather than take us down that route.

I made the point before that access to the London financial markets is something that EU institutions will need. It gives us leverage when it comes to discussing our services exports - if necessary.

Haven’t pretty much all FS firms who work with the EU set up the appropriate facilities in the EU27 already?

What financial services are so essential but will not be available in event or no deal?

sungod

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Keep the message going chaps, habituation. Is the modus of the Con men.

If that's true it doesn't reflect well on quite a few contributors to this thread

persisting in lying and persisting in challenging lies are not equivalent