BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

pblakeney

Them them them are thinking good for me me me.

cycleclinic

While me me me has a ring of truth is presupposes that us us us are right. That also might be a conceit. Is it too much to ask to wake up in a country that at ease with itself. If you take away politics most people in the UK are quite affable. Add poltiics and you see the other side.

That said the driver who nearly squashed me this morning is possibly not affable more oblivious.

norvernrob

thecycleclinic wrote:

I am truely tired of trying to care when those that lead us dont seem to or dont seem to see the dangers. all that matters is there view and they talk about brexit as a test of democracy when they fail to relaise a no deal which 48% of people did not vote for mean there vote does not matter, compromise wont happen and therefore there is no point in voting unless your in the majority. That is a bigger danger. Hense its easier not to care. Perhaps we should move to somehwere where our vote counts.

What’s new? For many people their vote already doesn’t count. I live near ex-mining communities, the chances of anyone but Labour ever winning a seat here in a GE are zero.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Sainos CEO saying no deal shelves will be empty after a week.

They have no deal shelves? I guess there will be more stock on the remain shelves.

This crap joke is so powerful I now want the most extreme brexit imaginable.

Each to their own I guess. After you posted what you did, I was just relieved that I usually shop at Waitrose.

sO FuNnY

Good to see you haven't lost your legendary sense of humour
https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?t=13030866

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Sainos CEO saying no deal shelves will be empty after a week.

They have no deal shelves? I guess there will be more stock on the remain shelves.

This crap joke is so powerful I now want the most extreme brexit imaginable.

Each to their own I guess. After you posted what you did, I was just relieved that I usually shop at Waitrose.

sO FuNnY

Good to see you haven't lost your legendary sense of humour
https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?t=13030866

Such a relief to hear your local branch hasn't been sold off to Aldi

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Sainos CEO saying no deal shelves will be empty after a week.

They have no deal shelves? I guess there will be more stock on the remain shelves.

This crap joke is so powerful I now want the most extreme brexit imaginable.

Each to their own I guess. After you posted what you did, I was just relieved that I usually shop at Waitrose.

sO FuNnY

Good to see you haven't lost your legendary sense of humour
https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?t=13030866

Such a relief to hear your local branch hasn't been sold off to Aldi

Gladly it hasn't, although we already have an Aldi in the centre of town to cater for Labour voters

tailwindhome

The EU and UK. Talking but not in talks.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 99429?s=19

pblakeney

TailWindHome wrote:

The EU and UK. Talking but not in talks.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 99429?s=19

"5/ When David Frost went to Brussels last week to meet Commission and Council officials he was asked, if (theoretically) the backstop was removed would the HoC accept the WA, and the answer was No."

That part is rather telling.
#ticktock

rick_chasey

So this interail story....

U.K. got itself kicked out of EURail because they refused to sell EUrail passes to people outside Europe and tried to force them to buy a special ‘Britrail’ pass instead.

U.K. comes crawling back within a day so now they’re back in....

So basically

UK rail firms wanted to stay in Interrail but leave EUrail, so they could sell more profitable BritRail pass

- EUrail says no, they come as a pair

- UK says ‘lol ok kick us out if u dare’

- EUrail kicks them out

- UK comes crawling back

TheBigBean

TailWindHome wrote:

The EU and UK. Talking but not in talks.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 99429?s=19

I like Tony Connelly, but I think he is overlooking the not insignificant "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" part of the joint report. Plus, like you, he never seems to find any fault with Ireland's actions.

robert88

TheBigBean wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

The EU and UK. Talking but not in talks.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status ... 99429?s=19

I like Tony Connelly, but I think he is overlooking the not insignificant "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" part of the joint report. Plus, like you, he never seems to find any fault with Ireland's actions.

Ireland is a conflagration waiting to happen

Police apology for New Lodge bonfire removal failure - women and children used as shields in violence, residents told to evacuate homes

It was said that PSNI officers had been trying to help contractors to remove the pyre on the New Lodge estate, marking the anniversary of internment.

Of course we could always send the army in to round up the trouble-makers.

rick_chasey

I presume this is code for "this is a bad idea"

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

I presume this is code for "this is a bad idea"

and the rest distrust him as they see him as being too clever

rick_chasey

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I presume this is code for "this is a bad idea"

and the rest distrust him as they see him as being too clever

As per the Tom Peck sketch, the recent history of people in gov't who are regularly referenced as either clever or geniuses is pretty appalling.

surrey_commuter

anyway good to see the economy doing better with the trade deficit narrowing

rick_chasey

Surrey Commuter wrote:

anyway good to see the economy doing better with the trade deficit narrowing

Especially manufacturing...

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

anyway good to see the economy doing better with the trade deficit narrowing

Various people wondering how the next set of figures, which will be published on 11th November, will play as a background to the assumed GE.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

anyway good to see the economy doing better with the trade deficit narrowing

Various people wondering how the next set of figures, which will be published on 11th November, will play as a background to the assumed GE.

will the stockpiling be enough to offset the fall in confidence?

TheBigBean

Surrey Commuter wrote:

anyway good to see the economy doing better with the trade deficit narrowing

The world economy is looking pretty bad. German figures are not going to be great either.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

anyway good to see the economy doing better with the trade deficit narrowing

The world economy is looking pretty bad. German figures are not going to be great either.

Not an ideal time for a massive supply-side shock I would suggest.

rjsterry

Detouring slightly, I found this to be unexpectedly cheering.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... n-politics

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

anyway good to see the economy doing better with the trade deficit narrowing

Various people wondering how the next set of figures, which will be published on 11th November, will play as a background to the assumed GE.

will the stockpiling be enough to offset the fall in confidence?

I think the stockpiling has been done already.

rick_chasey

So there rumours on a November 1 call for a snap election are getting stronger - No.10 advisers having leave cancelled etc.

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold, so presumably the plan is still to turbocharge May's approach, which is to play chicken with the EU, get everyone to blame either the EU or parliament, take the extension to have an election and have BoJo play the "everyone's against me, I'm trying to get this done, give me the mandate to do so".

Does anyone have any better more rational suggestions for what the plan is?

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

So there rumours on a November 1 call for a snap election are getting stronger - No.10 advisers having leave cancelled etc.

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold, so presumably the plan is still to turbocharge May's approach, which is to play chicken with the EU, get everyone to blame either the EU or parliament, take the extension to have an election and have BoJo play the "everyone's against me, I'm trying to get this done, give me the mandate to do so".

Does anyone have any better more rational suggestions for what the plan is?

I would imagine the plan is to win the VONC, because the idea of a GE + no deal is more scary than no deal. Then either no deal or revised May deal (noting that anti no deal MPs would vote for it). Followed by GE when Brexit party has been eliminated.

kingstongraham

Rick Chasey wrote:

So there rumours on a November 1 call for a snap election are getting stronger - No.10 advisers having leave cancelled etc.

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold, so presumably the plan is still to turbocharge May's approach, which is to play chicken with the EU, get everyone to blame either the EU or parliament, take the extension to have an election and have BoJo play the "everyone's against me, I'm trying to get this done, give me the mandate to do so".

Does anyone have any better more rational suggestions for what the plan is?

Recess finishes 3 September, if he calls a general election for 1st November, it gets prorogued 5 weeks before that, so compresses the time anyone else can organise (and get the urgency) to only 3 weeks. Basically, it puts a date of 27th September as the deadline for anything that the executive is not in control of. There's no MPs after that, but there is a PM.

kingstongraham

Don't think there's any plan for after the 1st November.

kingstongraham

Or I misunderstood and the plan is to start the general election campaign on 1st November, which doesn't make any sense except for the same reason of it being a power grab by the executive.

robert88

Rick Chasey wrote:

So there rumours on a November 1 call for a snap election are getting stronger - No.10 advisers having leave cancelled etc.

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold, so presumably the plan is still to turbocharge May's approach, which is to play chicken with the EU, get everyone to blame either the EU or parliament, take the extension to have an election and have BoJo play the "everyone's against me, I'm trying to get this done, give me the mandate to do so".

Does anyone have any better more rational suggestions for what the plan is?

Is it too late to call the whole thing off? Tell them we didn't really mean it?

cycleclinic

The logiccal outcome of bojo's bull in a china shop approach is a GE before brexit day to get a majority in parliamanet to make sure it happens. Its risky but could pay off big. a GE after a no deal could back fire badly and mean brexit is done but they are out of power. The tories want brexit done and retain power.

If Bojo knows corbyn will call a vote of no confidence when parliemnt get back in septmeber he knows he will probably loose. In that senario it logical on sepetmeber the 2nd to announce I want a GE election and ask parlimanets consent with an election sheduled for mide october. With a new goverement in with a possible majority (unlikely) then no deal or a new deal with the EU could happen in Bo Jo way of thinking. If the GE is after brexit day parliment might ways to stop or delay brexit thus undermining the goverments position. If parliement is progrouged that risky as there will be court cases, mass protests, sit ins, the queen will get involved..... and its a show down that could upturn everything.

If parliamnet is suspended riots could happen. it not likely to be peaceful. I have never protested in life but that is something that would bring me out.

Peterloo is a warning. Back then the state never fully recovered from that masacare and a series of reforms followed i.e the people won in the end. Thes lessons of history are clear if you dont allow represenetation is gets ugly quickly.

tailwindhome

Rick Chasey wrote:

It would be properly bonkers to run an election whilst the problems of a no deal brexit unfold

Unless you believe there's a sweetspot between "Ive delivered Brexit" and "Christ what have we done" which results in a working majority