BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Presumably Corbyn's forgotten what happened in the past year.
    _
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:


    Another Brexit casualty.
    According to this article it is to allow investment in the Solihull plant in order to produce the next generation of JLR electric cars and flagship models.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-11/jaguar-land-rover-to-move-discovery-suv-production-to-slovakia

    Hardly a casualty.

    It's quite a clever strategy since it can move current production out of the UK pre-Brexit whilst claiming to plan further investment which may or may not occur depending on how Brexit pans out.

    Companies have learned it is unwise to take an overtly political stance in respect of Brexit or indeed Trump, perhaps especially Trump! It's far better to simply plan ahead allowing for whatever events may arise to bite them in the bum if they don't.
    It could be read like that but you are speculating.

    So many posts could have been quoted to demonstrate the stupidity of remoaners and the guff they were willing to believe to support their case aka 'Project Fear'. JLR's announcement today being the perfect example!

    Stevo has been proved right and again the 'kitten of cake stop' demonstrates why he should continue to be ignored
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:


    Another Brexit casualty.
    According to this article it is to allow investment in the Solihull plant in order to produce the next generation of JLR electric cars and flagship models.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-11/jaguar-land-rover-to-move-discovery-suv-production-to-slovakia

    Hardly a casualty.

    It's quite a clever strategy since it can move current production out of the UK pre-Brexit whilst claiming to plan further investment which may or may not occur depending on how Brexit pans out.

    Companies have learned it is unwise to take an overtly political stance in respect of Brexit or indeed Trump, perhaps especially Trump! It's far better to simply plan ahead allowing for whatever events may arise to bite them in the bum if they don't.
    It could be read like that but you are speculating.

    So many posts could have been quoted to demonstrate the stupidity of remoaners and the guff they were willing to believe to support their case aka 'Project Fear'. JLR's announcement today being the perfect example!

    Stevo has been proved right and again the 'kitten of cake stop' demonstrates why he should continue to be ignored

    Nothing has been proved*. JLR needs a deal; not a no-deal. It states that clearly whilst the two candidates for leadership are posturing to show who can achieve the hardest Brexit. Moreover, Brexit has not come about so its effects are still largely conjecture. Airy fairy stuff from the Leave side but probably heavily dependent on what Trump decides to offer. The Art of The Deal..

    * except that you are driven by emotion and malice and invariably unable to debate without descending to personal abuse. True to type unfortunately.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,428
    The JLR news and other recent car announcements such as Honda's Swindon closure show that there is more to business life in the automotive sector than Brexit. As with many other busimess sectors. Yes it is significant but it's not everything and this is in line with how I find things the group where I work.

    Some may call me biased, but Coopster has got it right about me :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The JLR news and other recent car announcements such as Honda's Swindon closure show that there is more to business life in the automotive sector than Brexit. As with many other busimess sectors. Yes it is significant but it's not everything and this is in line with how I find things the group where I work.

    Some may call me biased, but Coopster has got it right about me :)

    Agreed. Except I am not sure I would want Coopster as a fanboi, but chacun a son gout.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,921
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    BigBean: https://www.ft.com/content/35af6808-9d7 ... 640c9feebb

    Article on Johnson's proposed settup where the EU signs a basic free trade agreement with the UK and keeps the Irish border open with no tariffs, no checks and no border infrastructure.

    Not sure that article makes sense. Surely the ROI would be delighted to have lots of shoppers from NI?

    Plus it sounds like a problem that could be solved between all parties.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    So many posts could have been quoted to demonstrate the stupidity of remoaners and the guff they were willing to believe to support their case aka 'Project Fear'. JLR's announcement today being the perfect example!

    Stevo has been proved right and again the 'kitten of cake stop' demonstrates why he should continue to be ignored

    Project Fear has been re-branded as Managed No Deal Preparations.
    Do keep up.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    Robert88 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The JLR news and other recent car announcements such as Honda's Swindon closure show that there is more to business life in the automotive sector than Brexit. As with many other busimess sectors. Yes it is significant but it's not everything and this is in line with how I find things the group where I work.

    Some may call me biased, but Coopster has got it right about me :)

    Agreed. Except I am not sure I would want Coopster as a fanboi, but chacun a son gout.

    We* voted to stop that sort of language being used here!

    *Well, maybe not all of us.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,428
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Robert88 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    The JLR news and other recent car announcements such as Honda's Swindon closure show that there is more to business life in the automotive sector than Brexit. As with many other busimess sectors. Yes it is significant but it's not everything and this is in line with how I find things the group where I work.

    Some may call me biased, but Coopster has got it right about me :)

    Agreed. Except I am not sure I would want Coopster as a fanboi, but chacun a son gout.

    We* voted to stop that sort of language being used here!

    *Well, maybe not all of us.
    C'est la vie, as we say in the UK.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    So many posts could have been quoted to demonstrate the stupidity of remoaners and the guff they were willing to believe to support their case aka 'Project Fear'. JLR's announcement today being the perfect example!

    Stevo has been proved right and again the 'kitten of cake stop' demonstrates why he should continue to be ignored

    Project Fear has been re-branded as Managed No Deal Preparations.
    Do keep up.

    There is no such thing as 'no-deal'. This is a made-up narrative of the remoaners.

    To be accurate it is a 'clean Brexit' or 'no trade deal' Brexit but they do not have the fear that remoaners want to push.

    Do keep up!
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    So many posts could have been quoted to demonstrate the stupidity of remoaners and the guff they were willing to believe to support their case aka 'Project Fear'. JLR's announcement today being the perfect example!

    Stevo has been proved right and again the 'kitten of cake stop' demonstrates why he should continue to be ignored

    Project Fear has been re-branded as Managed No Deal Preparations.
    Do keep up.

    There is no such thing as 'no-deal'. This is a made-up narrative of the remoaners.

    To be accurate it is a 'clean Brexit' or 'no trade deal' Brexit but they do not have the fear that remoaners want to push.

    Do keep up!


    So, there's no such thing as the No Deal which Brexiteers insist must left on the table - it was made up by remoaners.

    Ok
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,154
    How can "clean brexit" be accurate when it is a meaningless phrase?
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    Where does the divorce settlement sit in a clean brexit?
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    How can "clean brexit" be accurate when it is a meaningless phrase?

    No less meaningful than "hard Brexit" or "soft Brexit, all terms started by the losers. "Clean Brexit" is positive compared to the negative terms spread by remainers.

    My biggest criticism of the Leave side since winning is they have allowed the losers to control the narrative with sensationalist negative terms.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Where does the divorce settlement sit in a clean brexit?

    Any divorce payment should be conditional on completion of a UK-EU trade deal.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,331
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Where does the divorce settlement sit in a clean brexit?

    Any divorce payment should be conditional on completion of a UK-EU trade deal.
    I look forward to your response should a deal be reached. Said deal will involve ties to the EU and will not be a “clean break” at all.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,574
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Where does the divorce settlement sit in a clean brexit?

    Any divorce payment should be conditional on completion of a UK-EU trade deal.

    This is already the case, but the other way around.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    rjsterry wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Where does the divorce settlement sit in a clean brexit?

    Any divorce payment should be conditional on completion of a UK-EU trade deal.

    This is already the case, but the other way around.
    It's ok, he's an clown.
    Clearly a non payment of divorse settlement will not not only prevent a trade deal but prompt a trade dispute. So not simple no tradeal but no trade.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,428
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Where does the divorce settlement sit in a clean brexit?

    Any divorce payment should be conditional on completion of a UK-EU trade deal.

    This is already the case, but the other way around.
    It's ok, he's an clown.
    Clearly a non payment of divorse settlement will not not only prevent a trade deal but prompt a trade dispute. So not simple no tradeal but no trade.
    Why would it cause that?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Coopster the 1st wrote:
    Mad_Malx wrote:
    Where does the divorce settlement sit in a clean brexit?

    Any divorce payment should be conditional on completion of a UK-EU trade deal.

    This is already the case, but the other way around.
    It's ok, he's an clown.
    Clearly a non payment of divorse settlement will not not only prevent a trade deal but prompt a trade dispute. So not simple no tradeal but no trade.
    Why would it cause that?

    Project Fear Remoaner bollox...
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Not really a good look for U.K. govt to renege on financial obligations.

    EU would just refuse to open any negotiations at all until the U.K. paid up.
    _
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    We're getting to the bit where everyone is just about to turn their cards over. Who has mr bun the Baker.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,428
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    We're getting to the bit where everyone is just about to turn their cards over. Who has mr bun the Baker.
    Including Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/07/labour-remainers-must-seize-control
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,574
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    We're getting to the bit where everyone is just about to turn their cards over. Who has mr bun the Baker.
    Including Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/07/labour-remainers-must-seize-control
    You realise Hutton is suggesting that McDonnell is the person who could take over - either directly or as kingmaker. Same hard left economics but a remainer, making him quite likely to be the next PM after Johnson.
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,428
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    We're getting to the bit where everyone is just about to turn their cards over. Who has mr bun the Baker.
    Including Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/07/labour-remainers-must-seize-control
    You realise Hutton is suggesting that McDonnell is the person who could take over - either directly or as kingmaker. Same hard left economics but a remainer, making him quite likely to be the next PM after Johnson.
    Him or some other hard left type will likely take over from Corbyn given the Labour rules and membership base. All they then have to do is get enough people to vote for them in a GE...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,574
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    darkhairedlord wrote:
    We're getting to the bit where everyone is just about to turn their cards over. Who has mr bun the Baker.
    Including Labour
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/07/labour-remainers-must-seize-control
    You realise Hutton is suggesting that McDonnell is the person who could take over - either directly or as kingmaker. Same hard left economics but a remainer, making him quite likely to be the next PM after Johnson.
    Him or some other hard left type will likely take over from Corbyn given the Labour rules and membership base. All they then have to do is get enough people to vote for them in a GE...
    Not sure I have confidence in the electorate. It has shown time and again that it can be bought for relatively little.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Nowhere else to put it, but not relevant to Brexit either (but since there's a whole load of other job loss stuff here).

    Deutsche Bank are basically shutting down 80% of their investment bank and that is around 20,000 jobs give or take (overall, though London will bare the heaviest losses).

    Plenty more jobs than from any of the recent manufacturing shut downs. And this is after a 10 year bull market.
    _
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,574
    edited July 2019
    DB's website says they have "over 8000" staff in the UK so the majority of those 18000 losses must be overseas.

    But no, I don't think this is even tangentially related to Brexit.
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    rjsterry wrote:
    DB's website says they have "over 8000" staff in the UK so the majority of those 18000 losses must be overseas.

    Yeah so the remaining 10 are split across the states, HK and Aus, hence London being heaviest hit.

    :roll:
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,574
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    DB's website says they have "over 8000" staff in the UK so the majority of those 18000 losses must be overseas.

    Yeah so the remaining 10 are split across the states, HK and Aus, hence London being heaviest hit.

    :roll:

    I know this is closer to your field than mine, but unless they are shutting down their London operation altogether it will be significantly less than 8000 losses in the UK. Out of a London FS workforce of ~700,000, even three or four thousand is half a percent.
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