BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

I think it’s safe to say that Farage will say what he wants and if it’s true it’s incidental.

Assume it’s nonesense so you avoid getting sucked in to picking over the details of his various mistakes and falsehoods.

I personally would be reading “ancient nation states” as a racial dog whistle but maybe that’s just culture wars.

Certainly a clear indication that he sees himself as a nationalist. Some of his policies are a bit socialist an' all.

pblakeney

TailWindHome wrote:

Wait
The Brexit Party protested against music by not looking at it.

robert88

PBlakeney wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Wait
The Brexit Party protested against music by not looking at it.

It may seem odd that they didn't stick their fingers in their ears but maybe they know from experience that when they do that, their fingers meet in the middle of their heads.

rolf_f

TailWindHome wrote:

Wait
The Brexit Party protested against music by not looking at it.

So clearly they weren't protesting against the music but childrens orchestras. They've been keeping that part of their "manifesto" quiet....

john80

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

sungod wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/02/brexit-p ... -10101191/

This really annoys me. It's fine to make your democratic voice heard, but to turn your back on what the EU represents and one of our closes allies is just lunacy in the face of a bygone empire.

If they did that for a country national anthem it would be disgraceful.

I see no problem with disrespecting a purely political anthem especially as it is a political project that you disagree with. Unless you are now arguing the EU political entity should have the same or better status than a sovereign country?

usual whining brexiter nonsense

countries are political entities

these scum simply show their disrespect for democracy

I think you will find they were elected on a pretty clear mandate. That is pretty democratic. Are the lib dems scum for wearing a t shirt at odds with a referendum result? I am guessing it is only undemocratic if it the opposite of your views.

More the point it was a bunch kids playing, wasn’t it?

If they’re so anti the EU why bother turning up. I see a lot of them are *so* surprised that you have to travel there and that, incredibly, travelling to a supranational organisation sometimes includes crossing borders and isn’t free, that they’ve filmed their own little videos describing that shock. Still did the trip obviously.

I mean, f@ck me, they know their audience. A bunch of mugs.

Think of the children. But seriously i don't think the children give much to this protest nor do I think that they were deeply emotionally scarred. Should I listen to songs such as Horst-Wessel-Lied just because they are played by children.

So parking that issue maybe the forumites can advise as to why the EU needs and anthem. Anthems are usually associated with nations and the EU is not a nation so it begs the question why would an organisation that represents a number of nations feel the need for a national anthem. Why would it feel the need to play its anthem at the opening of parliament. Anthems are quite symbolic and the EU bureaucrats who came up with this were probably well aware of this. This leads us back to the question what is so wrong about turning your back on the national anthem of a organisation you were elected to try to disband or or have your country leave it. Technically the act is demonstrably more democratic than the Lib dem MEP t shirts however much people may not like it.

rolf_f

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

sungod wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/02/brexit-p ... -10101191/

This really annoys me. It's fine to make your democratic voice heard, but to turn your back on what the EU represents and one of our closes allies is just lunacy in the face of a bygone empire.

If they did that for a country national anthem it would be disgraceful.

I see no problem with disrespecting a purely political anthem especially as it is a political project that you disagree with. Unless you are now arguing the EU political entity should have the same or better status than a sovereign country?

usual whining brexiter nonsense

countries are political entities

these scum simply show their disrespect for democracy

I think you will find they were elected on a pretty clear mandate. That is pretty democratic. Are the lib dems scum for wearing a t shirt at odds with a referendum result? I am guessing it is only undemocratic if it the opposite of your views.

More the point it was a bunch kids playing, wasn’t it?

If they’re so anti the EU why bother turning up. I see a lot of them are *so* surprised that you have to travel there and that, incredibly, travelling to a supranational organisation sometimes includes crossing borders and isn’t free, that they’ve filmed their own little videos describing that shock. Still did the trip obviously.

I mean, f@ck me, they know their audience. A bunch of mugs.

Think of the children. But seriously i don't think the children give much to this protest nor do I think that they were deeply emotionally scarred. Should I listen to songs such as Horst-Wessel-Lied just because they are played by children.

So parking that issue maybe the forumites can advise as to why the EU needs and anthem. Anthems are usually associated with nations and the EU is not a nation so it begs the question why would an organisation that represents a number of nations feel the need for a national anthem. Why would it feel the need to play its anthem at the opening of parliament. Anthems are quite symbolic and the EU bureaucrats who came up with this were probably well aware of this. This leads us back to the question what is so wrong about turning your back on the national anthem of a organisation you were elected to try to disband or or have your country leave it. Technically the act is demonstrably more democratic than the Lib dem MEP t shirts however much people may not like it.

Why does a nation need an anthem then? Why should the forum advise as to why the EU needs one? Why wouldn't the EU want to play a symbolic musical piece at the symbolic opening of its parliament? Why would the Brexit party want to disband the EU? Once we have left it is of no relevance to them and we and they would have no influence on it. Why is turning backs on the Anthem "technically" more democratic than Lib Dem T shirts? You're turning into Coopster - just writing words down. You should be able to answer all your questions and mine easily; they aren't difficult.

FocusZing

The Libs and the Brexit party were equally as disrespectful in my eyes. They are elected to represent the country not to d1ck about on some jolly folly expenses paid day trip. An employee would probably get the sack if they turned up to a business partner with that kind of swagger.

kingstongraham

john80 wrote:

Technically the act is demonstrably more democratic than the Lib dem MEP t shirts however much people may not like it.

On reflection, maybe the Lib Dems one is less democratic, as I expected them act like grown up members of a legislative body rather than dicking about. I assume the Brexit party voters just wanted their representatives to moan and act like kids, so mission accomplished.

bianchimoon

Rick Chasey wrote:

More the point it was a bunch kids playing, wasn’t it?
If they’re so anti the EU why bother turning up.

Can't they claim a lifetime pension from the EU once they've taken their seat?

tailwindhome

If you think opposing the result of a vote is undemocratic it's going to blow your mind when I tell you an opposition is formed after every election.

schlepcycling

bianchimoon wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

More the point it was a bunch kids playing, wasn’t it?
If they’re so anti the EU why bother turning up.

Can't they claim a lifetime pension from the EU once they've taken their seat?

Only once they've served at least 1 full year and then their pension accumulates at 3.5% of their EU salary for every year of service. So leaving the EU on 31Oct will leave any new UK MEP with no EU pension entitlement unlike Nigel Farage who has been an MEP since 1999 so with 20 years service will be entitled to the max pension which is 70% of his EU salary (currently €8,757.70 per month).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48037162

rick_chasey

Like I said, their audience are mugs.

kingstongraham

schlepcycling wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

More the point it was a bunch kids playing, wasn’t it?
If they’re so anti the EU why bother turning up.

Can't they claim a lifetime pension from the EU once they've taken their seat?

Only once they've served at least 1 full year and then their pension accumulates at 3.5% of their EU salary for every year of service. So leaving the EU on 31Oct will leave any new UK MEP with no EU pension entitlement unlike Nigel Farage who has been an MEP since 1999 so with 20 years service will be entitled to the max pension which is 70% of his EU salary (currently €8,757.70 per month).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48037162

Who is responsible for paying that if we leave?

I assume Farage would be happy with the EU just reneging on that commitment if it's them.

morstar

KingstonGraham wrote:

schlepcycling wrote:

bianchimoon wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

More the point it was a bunch kids playing, wasn’t it?
If they’re so anti the EU why bother turning up.

Can't they claim a lifetime pension from the EU once they've taken their seat?

Only once they've served at least 1 full year and then their pension accumulates at 3.5% of their EU salary for every year of service. So leaving the EU on 31Oct will leave any new UK MEP with no EU pension entitlement unlike Nigel Farage who has been an MEP since 1999 so with 20 years service will be entitled to the max pension which is 70% of his EU salary (currently €8,757.70 per month).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48037162

Who is responsible for paying that if we leave?

I assume Farage would be happy with the EU just reneging on that commitment if it's them.

That's why we have to pay the £39bn that the likes of Farage don't think we should pay.
I can guarantee he will continue to argue that we don't pay the costs of leaving but he does retain his pension. Cake and eat it isn't it.

john80

Rolf F wrote:

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

sungod wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/02/brexit-p ... -10101191/

This really annoys me. It's fine to make your democratic voice heard, but to turn your back on what the EU represents and one of our closes allies is just lunacy in the face of a bygone empire.

If they did that for a country national anthem it would be disgraceful.

I see no problem with disrespecting a purely political anthem especially as it is a political project that you disagree with. Unless you are now arguing the EU political entity should have the same or better status than a sovereign country?

usual whining brexiter nonsense

countries are political entities

these scum simply show their disrespect for democracy

I think you will find they were elected on a pretty clear mandate. That is pretty democratic. Are the lib dems scum for wearing a t shirt at odds with a referendum result? I am guessing it is only undemocratic if it the opposite of your views.

More the point it was a bunch kids playing, wasn’t it?

If they’re so anti the EU why bother turning up. I see a lot of them are *so* surprised that you have to travel there and that, incredibly, travelling to a supranational organisation sometimes includes crossing borders and isn’t free, that they’ve filmed their own little videos describing that shock. Still did the trip obviously.

I mean, f@ck me, they know their audience. A bunch of mugs.

Think of the children. But seriously i don't think the children give much to this protest nor do I think that they were deeply emotionally scarred. Should I listen to songs such as Horst-Wessel-Lied just because they are played by children.

So parking that issue maybe the forumites can advise as to why the EU needs and anthem. Anthems are usually associated with nations and the EU is not a nation so it begs the question why would an organisation that represents a number of nations feel the need for a national anthem. Why would it feel the need to play its anthem at the opening of parliament. Anthems are quite symbolic and the EU bureaucrats who came up with this were probably well aware of this. This leads us back to the question what is so wrong about turning your back on the national anthem of a organisation you were elected to try to disband or or have your country leave it. Technically the act is demonstrably more democratic than the Lib dem MEP t shirts however much people may not like it.

Why does a nation need an anthem then? Why should the forum advise as to why the EU needs one? Why wouldn't the EU want to play a symbolic musical piece at the symbolic opening of its parliament? Why would the Brexit party want to disband the EU? Once we have left it is of no relevance to them and we and they would have no influence on it. Why is turning backs on the Anthem "technically" more democratic than Lib Dem T shirts? You're turning into Coopster - just writing words down. You should be able to answer all your questions and mine easily; they aren't difficult.

Read back your post above that is a lot of questions. Given that answering my question was deemed so unworthy of a response I shall return the favour.

rick_chasey

john80 wrote:

Think of the children. But seriously i don't think the children give much to this protest nor do I think that they were deeply emotionally scarred. Should I listen to songs such as Horst-Wessel-Lied just because they are played by children.

So parking that issue maybe the forumites can advise as to why the EU needs and anthem. Anthems are usually associated with nations and the EU is not a nation so it begs the question why would an organisation that represents a number of nations feel the need for a national anthem. Why would it feel the need to play its anthem at the opening of parliament. Anthems are quite symbolic and the EU bureaucrats who came up with this were probably well aware of this. This leads us back to the question what is so wrong about turning your back on the national anthem of a organisation you were elected to try to disband or or have your country leave it. Technically the act is demonstrably more democratic than the Lib dem MEP t shirts however much people may not like it.

It's no big deal, but it's fairly childish. I think you can respect something you disagree with, believe it or not.

You know NATO has an anthem, right?

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

Think of the children. But seriously i don't think the children give much to this protest nor do I think that they were deeply emotionally scarred. Should I listen to songs such as Horst-Wessel-Lied just because they are played by children.

So parking that issue maybe the forumites can advise as to why the EU needs and anthem. Anthems are usually associated with nations and the EU is not a nation so it begs the question why would an organisation that represents a number of nations feel the need for a national anthem. Why would it feel the need to play its anthem at the opening of parliament. Anthems are quite symbolic and the EU bureaucrats who came up with this were probably well aware of this. This leads us back to the question what is so wrong about turning your back on the national anthem of a organisation you were elected to try to disband or or have your country leave it. Technically the act is demonstrably more democratic than the Lib dem MEP t shirts however much people may not like it.

It's no big deal, but it's fairly childish. I think you can respect something you disagree with, believe it or not.

You know NATO has an anthem, right?

And the Olympics.

kingstongraham

john80 wrote:

Should I listen to songs such as Horst-Wessel-Lied just because they are played by children.

I think if you look closely, they are actually there listening to the tune, and standing in respect to the anthem, just not looking at the performers.

bobmcstuff

john80 wrote:

So parking that issue maybe the forumites can advise as to why the EU needs and anthem. Anthems are usually associated with nations and the EU is not a nation so it begs the question why would an organisation that represents a number of nations feel the need for a national anthem. Why would it feel the need to play its anthem at the opening of parliament.

Almost all of the free trade areas (ASEAN, Mercosur etc etc etc) have both a flag and an anthem. Worth reading:

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status ... 41058?s=19

I didn't know this either (and I would question that they really *need* one) but it's certainly not uncommon.

Saw it posted below the normal Brexiter whinings about why the EU even has a flag, anthem etc and this proves they want to rule us all etc etc.

rolf_f

john80 wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

sungod wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/02/brexit-p ... -10101191/

This really annoys me. It's fine to make your democratic voice heard, but to turn your back on what the EU represents and one of our closes allies is just lunacy in the face of a bygone empire.

If they did that for a country national anthem it would be disgraceful.

I see no problem with disrespecting a purely political anthem especially as it is a political project that you disagree with. Unless you are now arguing the EU political entity should have the same or better status than a sovereign country?

usual whining brexiter nonsense

countries are political entities

these scum simply show their disrespect for democracy

I think you will find they were elected on a pretty clear mandate. That is pretty democratic. Are the lib dems scum for wearing a t shirt at odds with a referendum result? I am guessing it is only undemocratic if it the opposite of your views.

More the point it was a bunch kids playing, wasn’t it?

If they’re so anti the EU why bother turning up. I see a lot of them are *so* surprised that you have to travel there and that, incredibly, travelling to a supranational organisation sometimes includes crossing borders and isn’t free, that they’ve filmed their own little videos describing that shock. Still did the trip obviously.

I mean, f@ck me, they know their audience. A bunch of mugs.

Think of the children. But seriously i don't think the children give much to this protest nor do I think that they were deeply emotionally scarred. Should I listen to songs such as Horst-Wessel-Lied just because they are played by children.

So parking that issue maybe the forumites can advise as to why the EU needs and anthem. Anthems are usually associated with nations and the EU is not a nation so it begs the question why would an organisation that represents a number of nations feel the need for a national anthem. Why would it feel the need to play its anthem at the opening of parliament. Anthems are quite symbolic and the EU bureaucrats who came up with this were probably well aware of this. This leads us back to the question what is so wrong about turning your back on the national anthem of a organisation you were elected to try to disband or or have your country leave it. Technically the act is demonstrably more democratic than the Lib dem MEP t shirts however much people may not like it.

Why does a nation need an anthem then? Why should the forum advise as to why the EU needs one? Why wouldn't the EU want to play a symbolic musical piece at the symbolic opening of its parliament? Why would the Brexit party want to disband the EU? Once we have left it is of no relevance to them and we and they would have no influence on it. Why is turning backs on the Anthem "technically" more democratic than Lib Dem T shirts? You're turning into Coopster - just writing words down. You should be able to answer all your questions and mine easily; they aren't difficult.

Read back your post above that is a lot of questions. Given that answering my question was deemed so unworthy of a response I shall return the favour.

Like I said, it's not hard. The reasons are the same for the EU to have an anthem as a country. Why would you make any distinction between the two? I guess people feel that anthems help them engender a feeling of pride in their country/community so why is that inappropriate for the EU; do you not understand that millions of people have a great pride in the EU; I think there is more to be proud about in being in the EU than simply being born somewhere. You just seem happy to accept that a country would want an anthem without giving any reason why the EU shouldn't have one.

john80

Thanks for all the info guys. I genuinely did not realise that so many organisations felt the need for a theme tune (Anthem). They obviously have a lot of money sloshing about. I am off to create one for Cumbria and I hope that you are all going to hold it dear to your hearts and not disrespect it in any way given its dear importance to me. Because if you are out shopping and the store is playing Cumbria's anthem which will probably be just a bit of Capaldi as i am not musically gifted. However if you turn your back at any point I will take it as conclusive proof that you are in fact a Nazi and have no respect for the North.

Stevo_666

john80 wrote:

Thanks for all the info guys. I genuinely did not realise that so many organisations felt the need for a theme tune (Anthem). They obviously have a lot of money sloshing about. I am off to create one for Cumbria and I hope that you are all going to hold it dear to your hearts and not disrespect it in any way given its dear importance to me. Because if you are out shopping and the store is playing Cumbria's anthem which will probably be just a bit of Capaldi as i am not musically gifted. However if you turn your back at any point I will take it as conclusive proof that you are in fact a Nazi and have no respect for the North.

Good idea. I'll do an Anthem for Teesside, it can just be the intro song to Roy Chubby Browns live shows.

bobmcstuff

Stevo 666 wrote:

john80 wrote:

Thanks for all the info guys. I genuinely did not realise that so many organisations felt the need for a theme tune (Anthem). They obviously have a lot of money sloshing about. I am off to create one for Cumbria and I hope that you are all going to hold it dear to your hearts and not disrespect it in any way given its dear importance to me. Because if you are out shopping and the store is playing Cumbria's anthem which will probably be just a bit of Capaldi as i am not musically gifted. However if you turn your back at any point I will take it as conclusive proof that you are in fact a Nazi and have no respect for the North.

Good idea. I'll do an Anthem for Teesside, it can just be the intro song to Roy Chubby Browns live shows.

I bet there is a Yorkshire one already!

schlepcycling

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

Think of the children. But seriously i don't think the children give much to this protest nor do I think that they were deeply emotionally scarred. Should I listen to songs such as Horst-Wessel-Lied just because they are played by children.

So parking that issue maybe the forumites can advise as to why the EU needs and anthem. Anthems are usually associated with nations and the EU is not a nation so it begs the question why would an organisation that represents a number of nations feel the need for a national anthem. Why would it feel the need to play its anthem at the opening of parliament. Anthems are quite symbolic and the EU bureaucrats who came up with this were probably well aware of this. This leads us back to the question what is so wrong about turning your back on the national anthem of a organisation you were elected to try to disband or or have your country leave it. Technically the act is demonstrably more democratic than the Lib dem MEP t shirts however much people may not like it.

It's no big deal, but it's fairly childish. I think you can respect something you disagree with, believe it or not.

You know NATO has an anthem, right?

And the Olympics.

And the Champion's League

Stevo_666

bobmcstuff wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

john80 wrote:

Thanks for all the info guys. I genuinely did not realise that so many organisations felt the need for a theme tune (Anthem). They obviously have a lot of money sloshing about. I am off to create one for Cumbria and I hope that you are all going to hold it dear to your hearts and not disrespect it in any way given its dear importance to me. Because if you are out shopping and the store is playing Cumbria's anthem which will probably be just a bit of Capaldi as i am not musically gifted. However if you turn your back at any point I will take it as conclusive proof that you are in fact a Nazi and have no respect for the North.

Good idea. I'll do an Anthem for Teesside, it can just be the intro song to Roy Chubby Browns live shows.

I bet there is a Yorkshire one already!

They have their own airline, that's a start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLYpKGVBUg

rjsterry

bobmcstuff wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

john80 wrote:

Thanks for all the info guys. I genuinely did not realise that so many organisations felt the need for a theme tune (Anthem). They obviously have a lot of money sloshing about. I am off to create one for Cumbria and I hope that you are all going to hold it dear to your hearts and not disrespect it in any way given its dear importance to me. Because if you are out shopping and the store is playing Cumbria's anthem which will probably be just a bit of Capaldi as i am not musically gifted. However if you turn your back at any point I will take it as conclusive proof that you are in fact a Nazi and have no respect for the North.

Good idea. I'll do an Anthem for Teesside, it can just be the intro song to Roy Chubby Browns live shows.

I bet there is a Yorkshire one already!

Almost.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/york/hi/tv_ ... 579068.stm

pblakeney

john80 wrote:

Thanks for all the info guys. I genuinely did not realise that so many organisations felt the need for a theme tune (Anthem). They obviously have a lot of money sloshing about. I am off to create one for Cumbria....

I will save you the bother.
https://cumbriantethera.bandcamp.com/releases

rick_chasey

Rozzers calling out electoral commission for not coughing up evidence regarding vote leave investigation.

rick_chasey

BigBean: https://www.ft.com/content/35af6808-9d7 ... 640c9feebb

Article on Johnson's proposed settup where the EU signs a basic free trade agreement with the UK and keeps the Irish border open with no tariffs, no checks and no border infrastructure.

tailwindhome

The Brexit Party. It's trolling but it's effective.
They've moved the discussion back onto their objection to a 'Country Called Europe' and it's 'unelected' presidents.
We're back to emotion and feelings having had a brush with reality.