BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

F*ck all of you Brexiters.

If your experience today is repeated thousands of times round the country, they'll find out that they are doing it to themselves too, as well as everyone else.

Also evidence that it is too emotive a subject for some people to have a rational debate on it.

When you've been kicked in the balls, and you know who did it, knowing full well it was going to hurt, I think I can understand an emotional reaction - but the emotion doesn't in itself undermine the argument as to why the action was, shall we say, misguided.

My real fear is that the real degradation we see in the country won't necessarily because of actions by the big players, but resulting from hundreds of thousands or millions of small decisions by individuals, by real people faced with impossible dilemmas. For instance: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... s-in-limbo

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

I'm not being irrational. I'm losing business and therefore money, and the reason cited is brexit.

It's rational therefore to be p!ssed off.

To not be p!ssed off would be to not understand the situation.

Have you or your firm considered opening an office in Dublin?

pblakeney

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

F*ck all of you Brexiters.

If your experience today is repeated thousands of times round the country, they'll find out that they are doing it to themselves too, as well as everyone else.

Also evidence that it is too emotive a subject for some people to have a rational debate on it.

Isn't it fascinating how even the most liberal can become illiberal when things go against them?

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I'm not being irrational. I'm losing business and therefore money, and the reason cited is brexit.

It's rational therefore to be p!ssed off.

To not be p!ssed off would be to not understand the situation.

Have you or your firm considered opening an office in Dublin?

It's a 12 man firm.

mamba80

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

F*ck all of you Brexiters.

If your experience today is repeated thousands of times round the country, they'll find out that they are doing it to themselves too, as well as everyone else.

Also evidence that it is too emotive a subject for some people to have a rational debate on it.

what do you know? you ve repeated time an time again brexit is giving you work.

we ve lost our 3rd euro IT support desk contract, will not be renewed in the Autumn, we ll have job loses as a result of this.
leaving is going to have real effects for people and all you bang on about is the "opportunities" ffs.

Stevo_666

mamba80 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

F*ck all of you Brexiters.

If your experience today is repeated thousands of times round the country, they'll find out that they are doing it to themselves too, as well as everyone else.

Also evidence that it is too emotive a subject for some people to have a rational debate on it.

what do you know? you ve repeated time an time again brexit is giving you work.

we ve lost our 3rd euro IT support desk contract, will not be renewed in the Autumn, we ll have job loses as a result of this.
leaving is going to have real effects for people and all you bang on about is the "opportunities" ffs.

I'm not just banging on about it, I'm doing something about it. Which appears to be the big difference between me and some people who are banging on about how doomed we are.

Taking on the BREXIT planning project was a bit lucky but that's life, sometimes we make our own luck.

orraloon

briantrumpet wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

F*ck all of you Brexiters.

If your experience today is repeated thousands of times round the country, they'll find out that they are doing it to themselves too, as well as everyone else.

Not necessarily. A sig proportion of Leavers are Takers from society, therefore rel insulated from the consequences of their action, as long as the Giver segment of society continue to graft away, making the best of it, paying taxes.

There is a USAnian NPR podcast #710 which early on interviews a couple of pensioners in Clacton. The blinkered views expressed make depressing listening. The podcast is a bit facile, wouldn't bother listening past the Clacton section.

http://www.npr.org/podcasts/510289/planet-money

Next time some pensioner comes out with 'we all need to get on with it and work together to make Britain great again' line, perhaps suggest them giving up the triple lock on state pensions for a starter?

surrey_commuter

orraloon wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

F*ck all of you Brexiters.

If your experience today is repeated thousands of times round the country, they'll find out that they are doing it to themselves too, as well as everyone else.

Not necessarily. A sig proportion of Leavers are Takers from society, therefore rel insulated from the consequences of their action, as long as the Giver segment of society continue to graft away, making the best of it, paying taxes.

There is a USAnian NPR podcast #710 which early on interviews a couple of pensioners in Clacton. The blinkered views expressed make depressing listening. The podcast is a bit facile, wouldn't bother listening past the Clacton section.

http://www.npr.org/podcasts/510289/planet-money

Next time some pensioner comes out with 'we all need to get on with it and work together to make Britain great again' line, perhaps suggest them giving up the triple lock on state pensions for a starter?

Those reliant on the State get fucked hardest in an economic downturn. That is a fairly broad brush that will get pensioners, public sector workers, benefit claimants. Most people use public services, education, NHS etc and they will all be less well funded.

Ironically when I try to figure out who won't be effected I just see Boris's well fed face grinning back at me.

pblakeney

orraloon wrote:

Next time some pensioner comes out with 'we all need to get on with it and work together to make Britain great again' line, perhaps suggest them giving up the triple lock on state pensions for a starter?

£6203.60 per annum really is such a lot of money after all.

orraloon

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I'm not being irrational. I'm losing business and therefore money, and the reason cited is brexit.

It's rational therefore to be p!ssed off.

To not be p!ssed off would be to not understand the situation.

Have you or your firm considered opening an office in Dublin?

It's a 12 man firm.

A tad genderist there Rick?


(For the avoidance of doubt, the above is a joke)

pblakeney

orraloon wrote:

A tad genderist there Rick?


(For the avoidance of doubt, the above is a joke)

Could simply be accurate.

surrey_commuter

PBlakeney wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Next time some pensioner comes out with 'we all need to get on with it and work together to make Britain great again' line, perhaps suggest them giving up the triple lock on state pensions for a starter?

£6203.60 per annum really is such a lot of money after all.

It is when there are 12,000,000 of them, which is one for every three workers, and the number is growing

Pituophis

Rick Chasey wrote:

I'm not being irrational. I'm losing business and therefore money, and the reason cited is brexit.

It's rational therefore to be p!ssed off.

To not be p!ssed off would be to not understand the situation.

It's ironic that the people in your unfortunate position can now get to understand how the British people at the bottom of the pile have felt like for a long time now while in Europe.

pblakeney

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Next time some pensioner comes out with 'we all need to get on with it and work together to make Britain great again' line, perhaps suggest them giving up the triple lock on state pensions for a starter?

£6203.60 per annum really is such a lot of money after all.

It is when there are 12,000,000 of them, which is one for every three workers, and the number is growing

There is a solution. Should I invoke Godwin?
PS - Isn't population growth (which I thought was a good thing) going to add to this in the long term?

Pituophis

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Next time some pensioner comes out with 'we all need to get on with it and work together to make Britain great again' line, perhaps suggest them giving up the triple lock on state pensions for a starter?

£6203.60 per annum really is such a lot of money after all.

It is when there are 12,000,000 of them, which is one for every three workers, and the number is growing

Kill them all then.
Then the disabled.
Then the Jews.
Then the blacks.
Then the Catholics.
You choose the order.

I love this thread.

rolf_f

Surrey Commuter wrote:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/s/?view=att&th=1498b04984d41e1a&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=f_i27qjuuh0&safe=1&zw

Tories warning Brexit could take six years!!!!!

The commenters seem to miss the irony of hiring foreigners to do trade negotiations

Link doesn't work for me but I suspect that anyone who thinks Brexit could take as little as six years is living in cloud cuckoo land. Or just trying to ease folk into the horrible truth gently.

haydenm

Stevo 666 wrote:

mamba80 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

F*ck all of you Brexiters.

If your experience today is repeated thousands of times round the country, they'll find out that they are doing it to themselves too, as well as everyone else.

Also evidence that it is too emotive a subject for some people to have a rational debate on it.

what do you know? you ve repeated time an time again brexit is giving you work.

we ve lost our 3rd euro IT support desk contract, will not be renewed in the Autumn, we ll have job loses as a result of this.
leaving is going to have real effects for people and all you bang on about is the "opportunities" ffs.

I'm not just banging on about it, I'm doing something about it. Which appears to be the big difference between me and some people who are banging on about how doomed we are.

Taking on the BREXIT planning project was a bit lucky but that's life, sometimes we make our own luck.

I could potentially benefit from this, there may be lots of opportunities but a 'plucky British attitude' won't save us if some of the predictions come true. Some of the predictions might be ridiculous but the risk is higher than before and all positive growth predictions come with a higher degree of uncertainty also. Time will tell. If it all goes tits up I haven't got as much to lose as most so it should be interesting

pblakeney

Rolf F wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/s/?view=att&th=1498b04984d41e1a&attid=0.1&disp=attd&realattid=f_i27qjuuh0&safe=1&zw

Tories warning Brexit could take six years!!!!!

The commenters seem to miss the irony of hiring foreigners to do trade negotiations

Link doesn't work for me but I suspect that anyone who thinks Brexit could take as little as six years is living in cloud cuckoo land. Or just trying to ease folk into the horrible truth gently.

Remember how it would have been Doomsday for the Scots had they voted for independence, and all it entailed?
That is our current reality.

haydenm

I'll just leave this here, please don't crucify me...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 0713110699

Lookyhere

HaydenM wrote:

I'll just leave this here, please don't crucify me...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 0713110699

Coopster is Norman Steele

finchy

Pituophis wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

I'm not being irrational. I'm losing business and therefore money, and the reason cited is brexit.

It's rational therefore to be p!ssed off.

To not be p!ssed off would be to not understand the situation.

It's ironic that the people in your unfortunate position can now get to understand how the British people at the bottom of the pile have felt like for a long time now while in Europe.

How was it all the fault of Europe, and what do you think will change once we're out of Europe?

veronese68

Lookyhere wrote:

HaydenM wrote:

I'll just leave this here, please don't crucify me...

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 0713110699

Coopster is Norman Steele

He's all of the Mash's stereotypical joke brexiteers rolled into one. He's already done the using something bad that's been said to prove it's good as well.

surrey_commuter

PBlakeney wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Next time some pensioner comes out with 'we all need to get on with it and work together to make Britain great again' line, perhaps suggest them giving up the triple lock on state pensions for a starter?

£6203.60 per annum really is such a lot of money after all.

It is when there are 12,000,000 of them, which is one for every three workers, and the number is growing

There is a solution. Should I invoke Godwin?
PS - Isn't population growth (which I thought was a good thing) going to add to this in the long term?

The problem is twofold, the first is that people are living longer and the second is that for the last 40 years people have been having fewer children. This is a factor across the developed world and is why some countries have generous incentives to have more kids. We, like the Germans, went for the migration route (think Blair and new EU countries). Migrants are great because you do not have to pay to educate them and they tend to leave before retirement. This means that overall they tend to be net contributors to society.

Now let's assume that the leaders of Brexit are not terminally stupid and they they are opportunistic liars. This means that they know all of the above and why even Farage has backtracked on immigration.

This is economics!!!! The person wiping your granny's arse is an East European and the person paying taxes to keep her in the home is also East European.

rick_chasey

pblakeney

Surrey Commuter wrote:

This is economics!!!! The person wiping your granny's ars* is an East European and the person paying taxes to keep her in the home is also East European.

I hope not as she was buried 20 years ago.
That is the situation outlined. What is the solution?

surrey_commuter

Pituophis wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Next time some pensioner comes out with 'we all need to get on with it and work together to make Britain great again' line, perhaps suggest them giving up the triple lock on state pensions for a starter?

£6203.60 per annum really is such a lot of money after all.

It is when there are 12,000,000 of them, which is one for every three workers, and the number is growing

Kill them all then.
Then the disabled.
Then the Jews.
Then the blacks.
Then the Catholics.
You choose the order.

I love this thread.

The powers that be look at the charts and can see that this is unsustainable but for decades did nothing because of political expediency.

No need to kill anybody but legalising euthanasia would save a few quid. Anyway the need is to reduce the number of people receiving the state pension or the amount they get rather than reducing the number of pensioners.

The continued raising of the state pension age will reduce the number of pensioners.
Winter fuel allowance means tested or taxed
Bus pass means tested or taxed
State pension means tested
Scrapping the triple lock and transferring some of the savings to those that need it.

If not the only two depts big enough to transfer money for are Health and Education.

Or kick the can down the road for the next generation.

ugo.santalucia

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Migrants are great because you do not have to pay to educate them and they tend to leave before retirement. This means that overall they tend to be net contributors to society.
.

The other day the gas engineer came to service the boiler... we had a chat and he turns out to be Romanian... he moved here before Romania was part of the EU... now he is a UK citizen. He has a degree in Nuclear Engineering and when he moved, he didn't know that in the UK an engineer is someone who fixes the lift or the boiler, but there is more money doing that than working for EDF as a nuclear engineer...

Britain in a nutshell

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

When looking at bring freezes it is good to bear in mind that the typical company has staff turnover of 10-15%.

On the other side of the coin why don't we all try and be more positive

ugo.santalucia

Surrey Commuter wrote:

On the other side of the coin why don't we all try and be more positive

Is there any reason to be positive?

TheBigBean

Surrey Commuter wrote:

The problem is twofold, the first is that people are living longer and the second is that for the last 40 years people have been having fewer children. This is a factor across the developed world and is why some countries have generous incentives to have more kids. We, like the Germans, went for the migration route (think Blair and new EU countries). Migrants are great because you do not have to pay to educate them and they tend to leave before retirement. This means that overall they tend to be net contributors to society.

Now let's assume that the leaders of Brexit are not terminally stupid and they they are opportunistic liars. This means that they know all of the above and why even Farage has backtracked on immigration.

This is economics!!!! The person wiping your granny's ars* is an East European and the person paying taxes to keep her in the home is also East European.

You are presenting opinion as fact there. I think most economists agree that highly skilled migrants are a benefit to the economy. It is less clear what the impact of unskilled migrants is. For example, taking a random Google choice

UK studies find that immigration has small impact on average wages but more significant impacts along the wage distribution: low-waged workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain

http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u ... mmigration